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bigalpha
12-19-2008, 09:42 AM
95, 2.3L, 5 spd

Clutch pedal feels firm with no slop.

Sometimes I cannot get her to change into gear while driving. If I'm at a stoplight, she won't go into 1st/2nd very easily. I tried pumping the clutch pedal, but it didn't improve the situation at all.

I can kind of jam it into gear, but it is difficult. It feels like I am trying to push it through a wall. It's much easier to shift into 1st when I am coasting to a stop.

Also, sometimes she'll grind going into 3rd gear, even if the clutch pedal is all the way to the floor.

While the truck is off, I can shift into gears easily and smoothly.

Summary:
1. Very hard shift into 1st or 2nd; pumping pedal did not help.
2. 3rd gear grinds sometimes, even if clutch pedal is completely depressed.
3. Truck shifts into gear easily and smoothly when off.

I've read a lot of stuff saying that the MC and SC are the likely culprits. I haven't noticed any leaks, and all the fluids seem to be at correct levels and fluids are good.

Is there a linkage to adjust with these trannys, or is there a direct connect between shifter and tranny? I'm not exactly sure how this particular system works.

I read some stuff about brake fluid is what's used in the hydraulics. Does this mean it's fed from the brake reservoir, and I may just need a fluid change?

I've also read that bleeding the hydraulics on these models is a PITA. I've never, ever done any tranny work/maintenance besides drain and filling the tranny fluid. Is this something that can be done with basic tools and a basic understanding of the system?

TIA for the help!!

tbirdsps
12-19-2008, 09:44 AM
95, 2.3L, 5 spd

Clutch pedal feels firm with no slop.

Sometimes I cannot get her to change into gear while driving. If I'm at a stoplight, she won't go into 1st/2nd very easily. I tried pumping the clutch pedal, but it didn't improve the situation at all.

I can kind of jam it into gear, but it is difficult. It feels like I am trying to push it through a wall. It's much easier to shift into 1st when I am coasting to a stop.

Also, sometimes she'll grind going into 3rd gear, even if the clutch pedal is all the way to the floor.

While the truck is off, I can shift into gears easily and smoothly.

Summary:
1. Very hard shift into 1st or 2nd; pumping pedal did not help.
2. 3rd gear grinds sometimes, even if clutch pedal is completely depressed.
3. Truck shifts into gear easily and smoothly when off.

I've read a lot of stuff saying that the MC and SC are the likely culprits. I haven't noticed any leaks, and all the fluids seem to be at correct levels and fluids are good.

Is there a linkage to adjust with these trannys, or is there a direct connect between shifter and tranny? I'm not exactly sure how this particular system works.

I read some stuff about brake fluid is what's used in the hydraulics. Does this mean it's fed from the brake reservoir, and I may just need a fluid change?

I've also read that bleeding the hydraulics on these models is a PITA. I've never, ever done any tranny work/maintenance besides drain and filling the tranny fluid. Is this something that can be done with basic tools and a basic understanding of the system?

TIA for the help!!

It's time for a new slave cylinder, possible clutch master cylinder but most likely the slave. Tranny has to come out to replace it.

4x4junkie
12-19-2008, 08:24 PM
The truck isn't trying to creep forward with the clutch in does it?

Try this:
Hold light pressure on the stick while trying to put it in gear. If it easily drops right in after a few seconds, it's NOT the clutch/slave.

It could be the fluid type that's in it, or possibly the synchros are bad.
Try changing the fluid and make sure to use the older "Mercon" spec fluid, and NOT "Mercon V", as the V may be too slippery for the synchros to work right.

bigalpha
12-19-2008, 08:48 PM
No, the truck does not creep forward while in any gear.

I also tried lightly putting pressure on the stick, and it did not fall into gear. I also crawled under the truck, and it's bone dry. There's not even an oil leak. Which is new to me, since my Jeep leaks like a sieve.

If it was a bad MC or SC, would it go into gear after a few seconds? I'm not exactly sure how the entire system works.

If the synchros were bad, would it not go into 1st gear, even while I were completely stopped?

4x4junkie
12-19-2008, 10:44 PM
If it doesn't drop in even if you hold pressure on the stick for a bit, then I would definitely turn my attention toward the clutch area.
Since you stated the fluid levels are OK and there are no leaks, my guess is it could be the pilot bearing.

bigalpha
12-20-2008, 09:54 AM
That sounds like it would be fairly easy to change. I'll do a search around here and see what I come up with.

bigalpha
12-22-2008, 09:53 AM
If the truck tries to creep forward while the clutch is depressed, is that a hydraulic issue like the SC?

4x4junkie
12-22-2008, 07:27 PM
It can be...

Creeping forward in most cases means the clutch disc isn't fully releasing when you push the pedal down (air in the hydraulics being the most common cause).

Fluid loss from a leaky slave cyl will eventually cause air to be drawn into the system at the clutch reservoir.

bigalpha
12-22-2008, 10:04 PM
Hum. Well, I sat on level ground and re-tested just to be sure and there's no forward creeping. I guess it's been narrowed down to a clutch issue.

Southern3.0
12-23-2008, 08:34 PM
My '96 is doing the same thing with all the same symptoms, I made a tread about it a few days ago and every one suggested it might be the pilot bearing.

Here's a link to the thread http://therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33844

bigalpha
01-07-2009, 03:52 PM
Thanks for the link. After reading some other stuff, that's the conclusion I've come to; my pilot bearing is FUBAR.

ati190
01-07-2009, 04:17 PM
My pilot bearing failed just recently, and the caused me to have to force it in gear, ultimately destroying two shift forks, i'd think it be best not to continue driving it like I did. If your slave isn't bad, just replace it while you have the trans out (hard lesson to learn).

bigalpha
01-09-2009, 10:46 AM
From what I've seen, replacing a Pilot Bearing seems to be pretty straight-forward.

Can you inspect a pilot bearing w/o removing the tranny?

4x4RangerGuy
01-09-2009, 11:08 AM
From what I've seen, replacing a Pilot Bearing seems to be pretty straight-forward.

Can you inspect a pilot bearing w/o removing the tranny?

No, you'll need the remove the transmission. You can really only check to make sure the slave is functioning.

bigalpha
01-12-2009, 09:46 AM
I've never done any tranny work (except drain and fill fluid).

Is dropping the tranny and replacing the pilot bearing a gravel driveway project?

ati190
01-12-2009, 02:34 PM
This same problem happened to me. Began to get hard shifting into 2nd gear, pretty soon it began getting hard into 3rd. and soon after I wasn't able to get it in gear.. Sounds like you have a bad pilot bearing. Also, if i were you upon removing the transmission i also had a slave going bad. While you have the trans out, you should replace this if you haven't done so. Forcing it into gear is not good that is how you mess up shift forks. I had been forcing it into gear for awhile though (thus the need to replace shift forks). As for the gravel driveway, if you want to do so, good luck :icon_thumby: You'll need a jack if you are doing the job yourself.

bigalpha
01-12-2009, 02:42 PM
Luckily, I'm not having to jam it into gear. It'll slip in gear if I'm patient with it and try a few times, if it doesn't work on the first time. Thanks for the heads up, though. Did you fix your tranny/clutch yourself?

I know, gravel driveways aren't really that much fun.

ati190
01-12-2009, 02:49 PM
No, I didn't fix it myself, mostly due to inclement weather, snow + an icy driveway isn't really an ideal situation for jobs like this. If it wasn't icy and a little warmer at the time I would have done the job myself. If it could have waited I would have installed a whole new setup for what I paid to have it done. Personally I would find a better surface that'll support a jack, and something a little more comfortable :icon_confused:

bigalpha
01-15-2009, 09:10 AM
Yeah, I'm gonna try to bum some driveway space from a buddy. I do have a thick tarp I lay down on the gravel when I'm wrenching, so it helps a lot.

Did you have the symptom that it was hard to get into 1st unless you were slightly rolling?