still no fire on passenger side

masterlink · Oct 1, 2007

well i replaced the driver side coil.this was recomended by sevensecondsuv.still same problem.no fire on passenger side.tack still reads below 2000 when it screws up.could it be the left side coil ? or should i replace the ign module.at first i thought the used coil was bad so i bought a new one. same codes.18-34-88.same problem.it is a 1991 RANGER 2.3. i used an ODB-2 scanner to get the codes.

Jspafford · Oct 1, 2007

We are going to need more info on the vehicle, year, model, engine size, etc.

MAKG · Oct 1, 2007

It's a 1992 2.3L according to his profile.

Multiple codes often suggest grounding issues, though I would strongly suggest running down pinpoint tests for those codes. Try the library for the Mitchell books.

FYI, it's wrong to state any code without the test it came from. There are three tests that produce codes, and the actions are not the same for each.

Sevensecondsuv · Oct 1, 2007

masterlink said:
...no fire on passenger side...

Oh, maybe I got dislectic reading your original post, I thought you said driver's side wasn't firing. I'd try replacing the coil on the side that isn't firing. The coils are interchangable so you should just be able to swap them. And I'd definately go for junkyard parts, they are cheap enough to "throw" at a problem. I'd hate to see you go paying for new parts and then not solve anything.

Again, those were the exact same symtoms as mine, (except opposite sides, I see), and a new iginition coil was the fix for mine.

If the new coil doesn't fix it, I'd start looking at wiring.

masterlink · Oct 2, 2007

no spark

I replaced both coils.same problem still. im thinking module.it is a two stage module.the second stage is triggered by the EGR.about 2 seconds after start up.one of my codes is a code 33-EGR valve opening not detected.i cleaned the connection yesterday and put dialectric grease on it.so far so good.but i have only started it up from dead cold 2 times since.yesterday and this morning.my other code is an 88.loss of duel spark input.and 33.eratic idm signal to prossesor.already checked all the wireing.at least i have two spare coils now.and that driver side coil was a M/F to change.

Doug.

Sevensecondsuv · Oct 2, 2007

masterlink said:
...that driver side coil was a M/F to change...

I hear ya there!

Well your problem seems to be a little deeper than mine was. I had the "no egr valve opening detected" code as well. I replaced the whole valve with a junkyard part and it solved that too.

If you end up changing the module just make sure you put plently of the gray lube stuff between it and the intake manifold and tighten those mounting bolts to spec. I tried replacing my icm before I tried the coil and was surprised to find that it would only crank, but not start. After more attention to making sure things were mounted well (and therefore grounded well), it fired right up.

Explorin94 · Oct 2, 2007

The EDIS module may be your ultimate problem. Find someone who has another 2.3 or a 4.0 and swap it between the trucks. It is located in front of the battery on the doghouse....if it isn't there move the battery and look in that area. Swap them first to m,ake sure that is your rpoblem as they are a little pricey.

Sevensecondsuv · Oct 2, 2007

Just a heads up:
The EDIS module (actually DIS on 1991 MY, and called ICM, for ignition control module) is mounted on the intake manifold on 2.3s. See a few posts above, he's already looking at it.

Dave R · Oct 3, 2007

Though I don't remember where this one started, if the passenger's side coil doesn't fire, how are/were you starting the truck, or are you? The driver's side doesn't fire on crank.

masterlink · Oct 3, 2007

no fire

the driver side fires just fine.the truck starts right up.its when its almost warmed up that the tack drops.and the passenger side stops fireing.the truck still runs fine rubber in second no problem.it just doesent idle vary smooth. the tack stays below 2000.and the passenger side doesent fire.once completly warm.the tack jumps back up.idle is fine and it fires on both sides.it is a 1991 2.3 ranger

Dave R · Oct 4, 2007

So basically, the truck works OK when it's cold but starts to act up once it warms up?

Then change the ignition module.

masterlink · Oct 4, 2007

No. it acts up when its warming up.once its warmed up good it runs fine.

Dave R · Oct 5, 2007

That would be a non-typical module fault but not outside the bounds of the issues that a bad module can exhibit.

You could do a crude test of that one by heating up the module, say with a hairdryer, prior to a cold start.

masterlink · Oct 6, 2007

never thought about that.i believe i might just try that in the morning.whats really strange.is if i unplug the vacum line to the EGR and plug it off.it really doesent do it hardly at all. :no2:

Dave R · Oct 6, 2007

Hmm, in that case, is the EGR control solenoid leaking? Perhaps it's enough to open the EGR and throw off the fuel mixture until the O2 sensor heats up and starts giving a good signal. Where after the computer adjusts but, the problem with that is the computer should learn that trick in short order and compensate it's cold start fuel enrichment maps to suit the new situation.

But, then again, that wouldn't explain a non-firing coil pack. Only a bad module will do that. One word of clarification,and I'm repeating myself, the driver's side does not fire on crank. IF your saying that the passenger's side is not firing after the engine starts then your still looking at the ignition module.

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