lowering vs. lifting

[Zipity]

explain the cost and the pros and cons of each... Still undecided what i want to do for sure on my 1994 ranger xlt.

[baddis]

what do you plan on using your truck for? is it 4x2 or 4x4? lifted to fit bigger tires or slammed to the ground. personely i am not into the low rider scene but there are a few i like like 95layinbodys truck you can check out his truck here (http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2542) for a good example of the lowered side.

[metalmacguyver]

IMHO: 2WD = lower it

4x4 = Lift it

[Ranger5.0]

ya, i always thought that way too metalmacguyver, but one night i woke up with this idea.... A 98 4x4 ranger with a 5.0 and an awd Transfercase from an exploder, slam it, and go chase down a honda or too...hmm.. Anyways, there are to many pros and cons to just list them for ya man. Its all about what you want to do with you truck?

[rickcdewitt]

ya, i always thought that way too metalmacguyver, but one night i woke up with this idea.... A 98 4x4 ranger with a 5.0 and an awd Transfercase from an exploder, slam it, and go chase down a honda or too...hmm.. Anyways, there are to many pros and cons to just list them for ya man. Its all about what you want to do with you truck?the only problem with the ttb in a full time app. is the small roller bearing that supports the stub shaft,its light duty at best and would probably die fast at higher speeds for extended periods.

[Ranger5.0]

98's use a SLA front suspension.

[metalmacguyver]

Its all about what you want to do with you truck?

Exactly.

my version of this however would likely have a jacked diesel motor that would have so much rediculous power that AWD would be the only way to keep it driveable.

one of my friends has a 04 ish chevy, 2500 duramax diesel, EFI live (beta tester) built Alison tranny, 7000lbs ish, and it runs under 13.1 second Quarters. *insert evil laugh here* i love 2 strokes :D

[rickcdewitt]

98's use a SLA front suspension.oops i was thinking about the truck in the original post:dunno:

[JohnnyU]

one of my friends has a 04 ish chevy, 2500 duramax diesel, EFI live (beta tester) built Alison tranny, 7000lbs ish, and it runs under 13.1 second Quarters. *insert evil laugh here* i love 2 strokes :D

You do realize that the Duramax diesel is a 4-stroke/cycle engine, right?

[Ranger5.0]

JohnnyU-What are ya tryin to say?

[Hahnsb2]

You do realize that the Duramax diesel is a 4-stroke/cycle engine, right?
I was gonna say that too :huh: ...

[Ranger5.0]

awe, i just got it haha...hmm, two stroke diesels just make a lot of noise and smoke

[Hahnsb2]

awe, i just got it haha...hmm, two stroke diesels just make a lot of noise and smoke
Haha, "Detroit Diesels are the most efficient at converting raw diesel fuel into noise".

[Ranger5.0]

HaHAHaHAHA that they are man, and there a turd to tune up....a turd i tell ya...and if its a 4 valve, its a BIGGER turd....

[Hahnsb2]

HaHAHaHAHA that they are man, and there a turd to tune up....a turd i tell ya...and if its a 4 valve, its a BIGGER turd....
Torquing down the headbolts while its in a fire truck is a bitch too!
Ok, we better surrender this thread back :D

[metalmacguyver]

i do here by declare my self to be an idiot.

[McDerry]

Wasn't the last time chevy used a 2 stroke deisel in the 70's...

[Hahnsb2]

Wasn't the last time chevy used a 2 stroke deisel in the 70's...
Chevy never did use a 2 stroke diesel... Many locomotives untill recently used 2 strokes and the old Detroits were 2 strokes but for the most part 2 stroke diesels are a thing of the past.

[JohnnyU]

Chevy never did use a 2 stroke diesel... Many locomotives untill recently used 2 strokes and the old Detroits were 2 strokes but for the most part 2 stroke diesels are a thing of the past.

Actually, I think Chevrolet owned Detroit at some point, hence many of the C60+ trucks had an 8.2L Detroit in them. I think those were all N/A however. The 2-stroke V-6's, V-8's, and V-12's of the 70's were actually powerhouses when turned up right, and can actually turn fairly high RPM's. There used to be a pulling team (the LongHorn, a conventional, and the StageCoach Express, a COE) that ran V-12 Detroits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSCSSVkXros

He's turning about 4200 RPM in that video.

[Hahnsb2]

Actually, I think Chevrolet owned Detroit at some point, hence many of the C60+ trucks had an 8.2L Detroit in them. I think those were all N/A however. The 2-stroke V-6's, V-8's, and V-12's of the 70's were actually powerhouses when turned up right, and can actually turn fairly high RPM's. There used to be a pulling team (the LongHorn, a conventional, and the StageCoach Express, a COE) that ran V-12 Detroits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSCSSVkXros

He's turning about 4200 RPM in that video.
Yeah but those v12s just don't compare to the Cummins I6 as far as frame twisting torque goes. In think they're turning them around the 4500 mark as well, I know theyre hitting 5500+RPMs with the 6BTs right now. Although that V12 was probably the most impressive Detroit puller Ive seen yet.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vE1QvRx5qiM
And yes I believe DD and GM are/were related, I don't recall any detroits used in stock pickups though... GM owns EMD the locomotive makeer which used huge 2 stroke diesels in their locomotives.
Heres a video of under the valve cover of a v16 train engine running, I took it while on my BNSF internship.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ISz_CRSYfyc

[JohnnyU]

In think they're turning them around the 4500 mark as well, I know theyre hitting 5500+RPMs with the 6BTs right now. Although that V12 was probably the most impressive Detroit puller Ive seen yet.


I've seen 4000 fully fueled without any internal modification (MADS Smarty), but to get to 5500 you really need a different valvetrain. Since most of those classes require factory cams, the I-6's don't usually turn as high. I'd be surprised if the Diesel Doctor in that video was turning much over 3500rpm. Got any further information on him? I know Larry Carey (Dodge Fever-KT1150 Cummins) only turns about 3100RPM.

My 5.9 sounds VERY similar when wound out to 3100RPM, sounds like it wants to come apart, but the power is definitely there....


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4856841685433225364&q=cummins+smarty&total=26&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

[Todd]

:offtopic:

Ah, I finally get to use this one:thefinger: J/K

As for the question and hand, lowering is for 2 wheel drive go fast type of stuff. While lifting is for added performace while off road.

Now both can be done for real life performance gains or for just the "I wana look cool" gain. For real life gains it usually costs more then to just get the look and not really need it.

Also in my opinon any 4x4 truck that is lowered has had its balls cut off.

[85_Ranger4x4]

Actually, I think Chevrolet owned Detroit at some point, hence many of the C60+ trucks had an 8.2L Detroit in them. I think those were all N/A however. The 2-stroke V-6's, V-8's, and V-12's of the 70's were actually powerhouses when turned up right, and can actually turn fairly high RPM's. There used to be a pulling team (the LongHorn, a conventional, and the StageCoach Express, a COE) that ran V-12 Detroits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSCSSVkXros

He's turning about 4200 RPM in that video.

I know the old detriots they put in tractors (Oliver Super 99 and such) had a big "GM" cast into the side. They are neat for a little while but get very annoying in a hurry, way too much noise happening for a open station tractor within a couple miles of spectators. That was back in the 50's-60's, I think they were a 2-stroke 3 cylinder supercharged engine.

http://www.tractordata.com/td/td677.html

[metalmacguyver]

i like this. say something stupid, then a good discussion follows, and i learn. ill have to do this more often. ;)