Speeding tickets [Archive] - The Ranger Station Forums

Stangmata

09-07-2007, 10:22 PM

I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the US you ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS

go to court.

And yes, I have had all (but 1) of my tickets either dropped or at least reduced.

Will

09-07-2007, 10:36 PM

I don't want to type a bunch of ALWAYS's.

But I've had my license for 22 years and have never been pulled over for speeding.

DK27

09-07-2007, 10:40 PM

Pay the $126.

Trying to get out of it is, shall we say, a certain lack of character.

You kidding? He wasn't going THAT fast. It's not like he was doing 50 over or something. He didn't steal anything. $126 dollars for a ticket is lacking character.

JohnnyO

09-07-2007, 10:41 PM

I had gone to court to fight one last winter, only because I was mad that it was a blatant speed trap and in another 200 yards I'd have been stopped for a toll booth anyway.
I was going to fight it based on the fact that the speed limit signs were farther apart than the PA MV Code states, at least to give me a semi-legit argument.
Cop shows up, not a good thing.
I start into "Well your honor, the MV Code says..."
The magistrate cuts me off and says "Do you just want to get the fine and points knocked down? I'll give you 60 in a 55 and no points."
I say "Deal" and pay the reduced fine.
Two months later I get my letter from the state saying 65 in a 55 and 2 points.
Bastard. Next time I'll fight it anyway and even if I lose I'll take up their time.
I don't know how it works in Canada, but at least try to come up with something so you don't look silly.

smokey

09-07-2007, 10:41 PM

same here Will 25 years and not one ticket for Speeding.
If you have the time go to court.

MAKG

09-07-2007, 11:02 PM

You kidding? He wasn't going THAT fast. It's not like he was doing 50 over or something. He didn't steal anything. $126 dollars for a ticket is lacking character.

He broke the law and got caught.

The ONLY legit thing to do is pay up.

It's not like that $126 was made up just for him.

And if he HAD stolen something, the penalty would be quite a bit greater than $126.

97ranger4x4

09-07-2007, 11:08 PM

DK27

09-07-2007, 11:23 PM

He broke the law and got caught.

The ONLY legit thing to do is pay up.

It's not like that $126 was made up just for him.

And if he HAD stolen something, the penalty would be quite a bit greater than $126.

Blah blah blah. Most speed limits are crap anyway. Hell, 55 is the speed on a lot of highways around ... 55! The law is supposed to "protect" people because speeding is "dangerous." I mean, if you want to talk about legitimacy then where is it in most of these fines?

Tickets should be enforced for riding too close, weaving in and out of traffic etc etc no matter what your speed is. That is a lot more dangerous than 15 over.

Speeding tickets are mostly money makers and it's bullshit.

Shoeboy

09-07-2007, 11:39 PM

I got one on a wednesdays at about 3pm a few months ago, I remember this because I susposably got the ticket in SW Calgary, I work in the NW, and I work on wednesdays until 5. I decided to fight this one becasue it was obviously wrong, and if the date was wrong, what else could be wrong? (I get thursdays and sundays off). I went to work the day after the ticket came in the mail (luckly photo radar gives you no points off), and printed off the work order of the vehicle I was working on stating I was doing this break job on this vehilce at this time, I brough the time book and I also brought my boss, and a survalance tape of the parking lot where you can plainly see my Ranger sitting (the only cars that can be seen are a 1986 New Yorker, a 1991 Dodge Caravan, and my 1989 Ranger) for added support (it was a ticket that was about $140). So how can I lose? I have proof that I was at work at the time the ticket was issued, and I had proof that I didn't loan my truck out to anyone. Ya, ended up with the courts being a bitch that day and made me pay the fine, and then the court fees for wasting thier time (another $150). If you want to talk about bullshit money grabs, try explaining the logic in that one. If I knew my sure thing way out was going to go belly up, I would have paid it and stayed pissed at it instead of having to pay it anyways, and then a court fee that was over the price of my ticket. At least on the bright side I didn't get any points toward my licence.

Jim Oaks

09-07-2007, 11:46 PM

I bet there isn't anyone registered here that's been to court for speeding tickets more than me.

BobR

09-07-2007, 11:59 PM

I bet there isn't anyone registered here that's been to court for speeding tickets more than me.

ya but you were on the prosecution side.

Bob

Jim Oaks

09-07-2007, 11:59 PM

......somewhere here I had the training manual for traffic radar that also includes requirements and court prep..........

but I don't know where..............

You know there are a lot of departments out there who's officers aren't properly certified or keep accurate calibration records?

Laser is very precise and hard to beat.

Radar on the other hand is prone to error. A good operator can tell if he has a good speed on his radar or if it's bogus. Some officers just see the numbers and write a ticket. If you don't have good training you won't know to spot the bad readings. Radar is only meant to verify a visual estimation. Moving radar is more prone to errors than stationary radar. Some people want to see the radar. The cop can put any speed on that radar he wants before pulling you over.

Since you're in Canada I'll just recommend you pay the ticket.

Hahnsb2

09-08-2007, 12:02 AM

I have to side with MAKG on this one... Ive had my license for 2 years as of yesterday and have yet to be pulled over for anything. You broke the law, ya got caught, pay up big man! I wont lie, I speed, mostly just so I dont get run over by all of the other people from behind. Ive gone by several cops radaring on 205 where the limit is 55, we're all usualy doing 65, Ive even had em come up right behind me while I was 10 over and then move over 2 lanes and nail the guys who's tailgating, for the most part our cops use common sense when it comes to giving out tickets, if I had been pulled over and received a ticket I would pay it. The other day my buddy got busted for no seatbelt($96, big deal... His 3rd ticket, 9th time being pulled over), he claims he's gonna fight it because "it's a bullshit law", I told him it doesnt matter, you broke the law, ya got caught, pay up big man!

DK27

09-08-2007, 12:06 AM

Jim Oaks

09-08-2007, 12:10 AM

ya but you were on the prosecution side.

Bob

:icon_rofl:

Jim Oaks

09-08-2007, 12:15 AM

I believe people who get tickets are guilty. Some don't want to pay the money. Most just don't want the points. I've seen prosecutors give people no-point violations just to avoid having to go in for a trial.

Southern3.0

09-08-2007, 12:18 AM

Dunno about Canada but in the US Take it to court, where lucky enough to have the option so use it.

But all this BS is the reason my bestfreind is the one who always drives, His dad is the LT. for the county so we always get the

Cop "How the Lt.?"

Us "Good"

Cop " alright well slow down and have a nice day"

LittleBigFoot

09-08-2007, 12:58 AM

Pay in small change...

baddis

09-08-2007, 01:40 AM

i got a photo ticket once. but the ticket was from chicago and i was in Tenesee at the time. could not go anywhere near chicago it took almost a year to get cleared up.

Bill

09-08-2007, 03:58 AM

I've never received a ticket for speeding, although I do a fair amount of it. We have a 70mph maximum here. Some of the urban freeways are around 55mph for short stretches. The flow of traffic averages about 75mph. Wreckless speeders are usually the only ones that get tickets on the freeways out here. I think the CHP does visual speed checks before tagging someone with laser to get their exact speed. Thus, people that are obvious speeders going faster than the flow of traffic get nailed, as do people with red and yellow vehicles.

SassyTeffie

09-08-2007, 05:32 AM

Worst ticket I ever got was for walking across railroad tracks. I had to got to court for it. I was just gonna plead guilty and pay it with my next check, but the judge said if I did that I'd get a $1,500 fine and 90 days! So, I plead no contest and got a $70 fine. Then, when I sent the money in, I got it back with a note saying that my case didn't exist! I called, but I was told the same thing. Years later I'm checking my credit report and there's the fine...along with a huge penalty the county tacked onto it! I was so pissed!

HAPPY_RANGER_GUY

09-08-2007, 06:53 AM

I agree with MAKG, pay the fine and move on with life. Lesson Learned. I have got my first speeding ticket when I was 16ish. Pops said no big deal, just pay it and go on with your life, I suggest you do the same.

Nothing wrong with going to court and asking for a reduced fine if you'd like. Some courts will easily cut the fine in half and there is nothing wrong with saving a buck or two.

T.

JohnnyO

09-08-2007, 07:11 AM

I have always proudly paid my speeding tickets (until the last one) because I knew I was guilty as sin.
Officer: "Do you know why I pulled you over?" (they always ask that)
Me: "Yup. Here's my license and registration."
Check's in the mail.
The last one though, the statie was set up with radar smack in front of a toll booth where the limit drops from 65 to 55 just prior. (My bad for not having my radar detector with me.) I was doing at 70 and had already kicked off the cruise because in a few seconds I'd be stopped anyway to pay the toll.
So that kinda pissed me off. I often travel that stretch of road going between my offices. The PA MV Code says that speed limit signs must be no more than one-half mile apart. Distance between the 55 sign and the next sign (a 65) is 3.5 miles. Not even close, nor are any others on that road. If I ever get another one I'll fight it instead of settling.

Shoeboy

09-08-2007, 08:07 AM

My first ticket was completly my fault. I had a 1987 Plymouth Caravelle with the 2.5L, ya, big power there. I was on the highway and trying to see how fast it would go. Over 10 minutes to get it up to 140km/h. I crested the hill and saw the RCMP on the next hill. I started slowing down at that point thinking to myself, "I know they caught me, how fast did they catch me going?". When I got to the cop he asked if I knew why he pulled me over, and i said i had a pretty good idea. It was a $150 ticket for doing 115 in a 90km zone. I paid the ticket the next day.

sometime it is alright to fight tickets, and other times it pay up. I've been pulled over a few times for not having daytime running lights on my 1989 Ranger (that was made in April, I believe). The codes in Canada state that any vehicle made on and or after December first 1989 must be equipted with daytime running lights. My truck is a few months older then December making me exempt for that law. I told the cop that I was an apprentice mechanic and I had to deal with this whenever I had to install a DRL modual in any vehicle coming into Alberta. Luckly I got out of the ticket or I would have had to take a day off work to go fight it and blah blah blah. It seems the cops here make a lot of dumb choices. They would rather pull over the guy who is doing 55km in a 50km zone then to pull over the guy who is doing 80km and weaving in and out of traffic in a 50km zone. A friend of mine got a ticket for having a break light burned out, not a fix it ticket, an actual ticket that was about $250. It was for somethign like lack of driver notification causing dangerious driving with possibility of an accident. I swear they cop just pulled that one out of his ass. Cops in Calgary are stupid. I've had to fight a few of them for them being so completly bs, not having daytime running lights on a vehicle made before the law came into affect, parking in a dirt parking lot and taking up 2 stalls (when I pulled in, I was between the 2 vehicles and no matter what way I would enter I had about 2 feet on either side of me), dangeriously pulling onto the sholder (I was driving with my friend friend in his POS caddy, and it started overheating so i turned the hazards and pulled the car over signaling and everything, still got the ticket for it.) It seems that the cops here would rather take the easy way out to reach thier BS quota then to actually police and fine people who are breaking the law, or being dangerious, I think that someone going 30 km over the limit diserves a ticket over someone going 5km over, that just pisses me off.

281Ranger

09-08-2007, 08:25 AM

So even if the law is bullshit and mostly isn't serving its purpose people should just shut up and pay instead of something ELSE being ticketed.... oh, and definitely DONT question it... it's the law.

Are they bullshit laws or is it bullshit people that use that excuse to justify breaking the laws?

JohnnyO

09-08-2007, 08:45 AM

Some of both.
Theoretically, if you don't like a law then elect people who will change it.
Easier said than done.

skippy

09-08-2007, 08:51 AM

Pay in small change...

when paying by mail,overpay by a few dollars,that throws a wrench in the system.

94redranger

09-08-2007, 01:14 PM

yyc_tbird_sc

09-08-2007, 02:02 PM

Shoeboy...sorry to hear about your luck with the courts.

94redranger....when you go to the traffic court, go and talk with the justice-of-the-peace and plead guilty but ask to talk with the prosecutor to ask for a lesser fine. He will talk to you for a bit, then you'll see the justice of the peace again, here he/she will tell you what the prosecutor's offer is and whether or not you agree. If you agree, then you can pay it or ask for an extension.

QuakerShaker4242

09-08-2007, 03:09 PM

what was the cost of the ticket? 126? oh gosh i would had loved to get that ticket.

im in the situation now where im refusing to pay a $455 ticket for speeding 15 over.

heres the situation... i got the ticket on the 4th of july and there just happened to be a law set in on the 1st of july that said if you speed in a construction zone then its an automatic $300 dollars plus the price of the date that isnt even mandatory for you to go to. well the officer told me everything i need to do and gave me all the paperwork on the billing of the ticket. i go into the police station to pay the ticket with my $175 like i was supposed to according to the officer and the paperwork i was given to and the lady at the desk sais that my total will be $455.. i was like excuse me...

so here i am. i went in to the optional court date and pleaded innocent so i can at least try to get it reduced... after all... I AM PAYING FOR THE COURT DATE ANYWAYS so im supposed to go in on october 9th.

all i can say is do not speed in working zones... not only are they expensive beyond no other... there are lives at stake.

i know i learned my lesson

DK27

09-08-2007, 03:52 PM

Are they bullshit laws or is it bullshit people that use that excuse to justify breaking the laws?

Please man... provide me solid evidence that not speeding is keeping people safe?

You think that two cars doing 80 on a freeway with, I dunno, 8-10 car lengths inbetween them is LESS safe than two people doing 55 with 1 yard of distance? But hey, the person doing 80 all by themselves out in front is really the dangerous one!

Or how about like what has been mentioned before...the super fast changes in speed --- especially when there's no obvious difference in area (like you didn't just enter a town etc).

What about people who merge onto the highway at the wrong time and are moving slow thus nearly causing accidents?! Those people are wicked dangerous but I don't see cops sitting to pull them over. That's the kinda shit that would actually keep the roads safer. But hey, they're not speeding!!!

Can't you provide any justification for some of these tickets other than "it's the law." So what, all of a sudden if the government decides something we should all just bow?! That does a lot of good. Bleh, I could go on for days.

There is a difference between driving like an idiot and driving "fast."

281Ranger

09-08-2007, 08:11 PM

Please man... provide me solid evidence that not speeding is keeping people safe?

You think that two cars doing 80 on a freeway with, I dunno, 8-10 car lengths inbetween them is LESS safe than two people doing 55 with 1 yard of distance? But hey, the person doing 80 all by themselves out in front is really the dangerous one!

Or how about like what has been mentioned before...the super fast changes in speed --- especially when there's no obvious difference in area (like you didn't just enter a town etc).

What about people who merge onto the highway at the wrong time and are moving slow thus nearly causing accidents?! Those people are wicked dangerous but I don't see cops sitting to pull them over. That's the kinda shit that would actually keep the roads safer. But hey, they're not speeding!!!

Can't you provide any justification for some of these tickets other than "it's the law." So what, all of a sudden if the government decides something we should all just bow?! That does a lot of good. Bleh, I could go on for days.

There is a difference between driving like an idiot and driving "fast."

The people you mention ARE the reason there are speed limits. If everyone was allowed to drive the way they wanted it would be like going to a figure eight race at the stock car track. There are just too many idiots on the road. Even if you're not an idiot, everyone else is. Because they cannot build seperate roads for idiots and non-idiots we're all supposed to follow the same laws. And last time I checked there's no roadside test to determine if somebody is an idiot or not (although with some people it's real easy to tell).

DK27

09-08-2007, 08:47 PM

The people you mention ARE the reason there are speed limits. If everyone was allowed to drive the way they wanted it would be like going to a figure eight race at the stock car track. There are just too many idiots on the road. Even if you're not an idiot, everyone else is. Because they cannot build seperate roads for idiots and non-idiots we're all supposed to follow the same laws. And last time I checked there's no roadside test to determine if somebody is an idiot or not (although with some people it's real easy to tell).

How the heck does that make any sense? Pretty obvious that the speed limit isn't causing people to actually drive better.

samsonitesamsonite

09-08-2007, 09:15 PM

I have got out of 2 speedings tickets in the last year and I also got out of a no insurance ticket, (I had insurance but I hadn't put the most up to date proof in the truck)

Simple_serf

09-08-2007, 09:16 PM

I have to laugh at what we have around here. You get a road that was worked on, and then they leave the const. area signs up for 2 years so they can collect the increased fines. The fines aren't a big deal, but the NY fees add up to more than the fine.

Even better are the roads that they seasonally drop the speed limit down on. Then they wonder why people go and speed on the secondary roads. It was brought up in the town meeting a few weeks ago, that because the road was engineered to be a 55 MPH rd, it's probably a better idea to keep the speed 55 instead so that people don't speed in the residential area....mmmm imagine that!

LearjetMinako

09-08-2007, 09:20 PM

So people actually follow those speed limit signs. :idiot:. If I ever did that here, my tailgate would be inside the bed. Around here in OKC, people will still drive at 70mph or more in a 60mph zone. I do my best to be the slower part of traffic. No sense trying to keep up in a 4-banger Ranger, I've got time to spare.

JoshT

09-08-2007, 09:58 PM

3 tickets in 3 years for 20 over each, at least I'm consistent. The last was the day after the 6 month suspension from the first 2, hey, I had to make sure the truck was running right didn't I (not to mention I was slowing down when he clocked me).

The only one I went to court on was the first and that wasn't to get it dropped. The cop pulled me over when I was running 75 in a 55, he wrongly accused me of doing 30+ over the speed limit which would have gotten my license suspended by itself (I was 16 at the time). I went to court pleading nolo, I wasn't trying to say I wasn't guilty of speeding, only that I wasn't guilty of running 30 over, and the ticket was lowered to the proper amount. I was speeding, I got caught it was time for me to pay for my mistake. The other two I was doing as the ticket said, so I paid the fine. I've now been ticket free for 3+ years and plan to stay that way.

MAKG

09-08-2007, 10:13 PM

I agree I broke the law on this ticket but it does give me an option of going to the court date on the ticket and pleading not guilty. So if I have that option then there's nothing wrong with at least trying to get out of the ticket. (wouldn't everyone like to keep their 126$ if they could?)

There would be nothing wrong if you didn't do it.

You DID do it. You are guilty.

Anything else is a rationalization at best (ESPECIALLY the tired old saws DK27 has been spouting -- he seems to think all collisions are between one vehicle and another and that the other is always speeding; neither of those are even close to true).

Pleading not guilty means you are saying you didn't do it. That's a lie. Take your penalty like a man and quit trying to dodge your responsibility.

DK27

09-09-2007, 12:34 PM

There would be nothing wrong if you didn't do it.

You DID do it. You are guilty.

Anything else is a rationalization at best (ESPECIALLY the tired old saws DK27 has been spouting -- he seems to think all collisions are between one vehicle and another and that the other is always speeding; neither of those are even close to true).

Pleading not guilty means you are saying you didn't do it. That's a lie. Take your penalty like a man and quit trying to dodge your responsibility.

Really MAKG where do you come up with this stuff sometimes? I did come anywhere near to syaing that. You are the one that is alwasy stating the the gov't and everyone else should be questioned but if it's speeding then don't bother huh?

If you're going to repeat what I'm saying at least say it right cuse it's not even close. Good job on this one.

Hawker

09-09-2007, 02:14 PM

Have driven a lot in Europe on the Autobahn and in Italy too where people legally travel much faster than over here with no carnage like promised by the insurance lobby and local governments who utilize this huge cash cow. That is not to say they don't have speed limits as they most certainly do, nor do they not desperatly need the money for all their social programs. They have just thought it out better and learned how to mix the varying vehicle and driver capabilities without handicapping one group. Then they enforce that. You want to drive slow in the left lane on the Autobahn creating a dangerous situation. Then you get the big ticket, not the fast movers. We're not yet advanced enough here to figure that out, so we take the $$$ approach and declare it all in the name of safety.

Fla. came closest to moving when it got all the way to the Governors desk to be signed into law that slow drivers in the high speed lanes could be pulled over and cited even if they weren't exceeding the speed limit. Insurance lobby bought him off as they saw the end of their rip-off of the public at hand if this ever got started. Our sheriff's traffic div. head got on TV and said that speed was not the big danger we face in driving, but rather the slow drivers blocking flow of traffic leading to an ever increasing road-rage problem.

I know, I'm for the most part singing to the choir on here. Just tired of people thinking that the speed laws are there for some other reason than what they really are. And yes, I do have a clean driving record, with annual drivers training /testing and until recently was working as a crash investigator for the SO until I got a cushy job in another Div.

LittleBigFoot

09-09-2007, 03:10 PM

In the info booklet for the basic driver's ed tests in Colorado, it says that accidents are caused by a disruption in the flow of traffic.

That could be some one speeding OR some one driving wicked slow.

CO also passed a law about keeping up with the flow of traffic. If the majority of cars are driving, lets say 65 in a 55 mph zone, cops won't pull you over for keeping up.

I've also seen a lot more minimum speed limits out in the country.

But a law is a law. I got 600 bucks in fines because I traveled through the express toll lanes on the toll road. (My chip wasnt up to date in their system, but I had it) I got it talked down to 28 dollars.

Just my 2 cents.

Adam

MAKG

09-09-2007, 03:24 PM

DK, civil disobedience is fine under some circumstances, but that means you take the penalties.

The law may be stupid, but rule of law depends critically on people not just being able to ignore it.

You never said all collisions were between two vehicles where the other one is speeding, but that's the only example you gave, and it was the only comparison you were considering for risk.

As for the "no carnage in Europe" statement, that's just wrong. When accidents happen on the Autobahn, they are BAD. They aren't as frequent because there are A LOT MORE laws, like use the left lane only for passing (and it's actually enforced). There ARE speed limits for some classes of vehicles such as trucks and busses (and it's really slow -- 100 km/h), so the "interrupting flow" argument kinda has some trouble there.

The road is also designed for much higher speeds. The pavement is twice as thick. It gets resurfaced almost annually. And have you ever seen a German pothole?

An 80 MPH collision with a deer or a tree is quite likely to be a fatality. A 60 MPH collision has half the energy, and probably won't be. Most of the safety equipment in the vehicle is designed for low and medium speed collisions, because that's what most of them are. The arguments that driving 80 MPH is safer than 60 MPH even under heavy speeding traffic are BS. Have you ever heard of a right lane? Just because everyone else is doing something stupid does not make it less stupid for you to do it.

LittleBigFoot

09-09-2007, 03:59 PM

On I25 here in Denver, all 6 lanes each way are usually doin at least 10 over. No matter what the time of the day.

MAKG

09-09-2007, 04:13 PM

Umm, I've been to Denver a number of times.

All the local interstates, including I-25, see regular traffic jams, and the speeders are very modest. I-25 doesn't have 12 lanes for very much of its length; that's the problem. It's 4 lanes past the Boulder turn-off.

Honestly, I've heard all this before. I used to say it about LA traffic. It's BS, at least in the cities.

john cub owner

09-10-2007, 08:34 AM

Well fellas, I am the geezer on the site, old enough to be the father of most of you, and grandfather to some. I am not a professional driver, but my work required a lot of driving, mostly in rural areas and small towns, to the tune of about 3 million miles since I got my license in 64. I have had not tickets, but have had a couple of warnings, and they were justified. I am seeing a lot of bitching about speed limits, etc. in this thread, but you need to stop and think. On the Autobahn there are no side roads, very few ramps, etc. and it is shorter than many of the trips we make on interstates. Interstates are also not bad to drive higher speeds, only one way traffic, exits and entrances are ramps, etc. One of their problems though is the long distances many people drive on them getting fatigue, or highway hypnosis. When you leave these though, extra alertness and reduced speeds are needed, not because of how well you can handle a car, but because of side roads, limited vision, even children or adults walking along them. If you get a ticket, even one as low as $126, there is nothing wrong with asking for a reduction, especially if it is your first one, but if you consistantly don't mind risking injury or death to others, you need to go ahead and pay it, along with all the rest you will undoubtably get for the rest of your life.

ranger1999 Bob

09-10-2007, 08:49 AM

Some cops are just jerks about writing tickets..but most of the time a ticket is warranted and you should pay the fine. If you were speeding and you know you were speeding then pay the fine and get it over with. Here in NYC the judges dont want to hear anything and no matter what the evidence you wind up paying anyway. Like i said if they concentrated on the idiots who weave in and out and tailgate or otherwise drive reckelssly the roads would be alot safer
look at it like this millions of bloodsuckers on welfare need yout ticket revenues so they can continue to leech off the system

Hahnsb2

09-10-2007, 12:47 PM

In the info booklet for the basic driver's ed tests in Colorado, it says that accidents are caused by a disruption in the flow of traffic.

That could be some one speeding OR some one driving wicked slow.

CO also passed a law about keeping up with the flow of traffic. If the majority of cars are driving, lets say 65 in a 55 mph zone, cops won't pull you over for keeping up.

Adam
Thats the way it should be! I hate driving anywhere with my dad with me, he always telling me Im speeding and to slow down, I look in the mirror and a semi is catching me on a hill! I saw fawk that shit, Im keepin with the flow, its far safer! As Ive said before, Ive been by tons of cops radaring while doin 10 over while I was keeping with the flow and never been pulled over, in a high traffic volume area they are mainly worried about the dangerous speeders who lane surf (BTW the next fawker I see lane surfing around me is going in the ditch!!!) and fly by everyone else.

351ranger

09-10-2007, 01:15 PM

Go to court, it's your right why the hell wouldn't you use it? I've gone many times and got out of lots of shit. Makes it all worth it in the end. And if going to court isn't being a "man" I guess I'm a big pussy. Sorry I like to use my rights.:idiot:

dangerranger0690

09-10-2007, 09:59 PM

my license suspended for 3 months :( for 4 20mph+ over tickets at $202.50 each... i need to slow down

85_Ranger4x4

09-10-2007, 10:18 PM

I set the cruise at 2-3 over, it seems to help. If that isn't good enough for you feel free to pass, ride my bumper and I will hit the trailer brake test button on my brake controller to get your attention. It is pretty tough to call somebody obeying the law a disruption to traffic, personally I would pin that on somebody that was driving beyond their vehicle's limits trying to keep up and stringing it out for over a quarter mile of highway.

BigClemsonFan

09-10-2007, 10:43 PM

There would be nothing wrong if you didn't do it.

You DID do it. You are guilty.

Pleading not guilty means you are saying you didn't do it. That's a lie. Take your penalty like a man and quit trying to dodge your responsibility.

Can't agree with ya here Mike. Even though you did it, doesn't mean you are guilty. The burden is upon the prosecution to prove it. I'd rather plead not guilty and make the officer and prosecution prove it. If no one challenges a ticket, would the officer keep his or her training current? Or would he or she not worry since it would never be challenged?

I was given a citation for speeding. He wrote me a ticket, I asked him some questions later via mail. We went to court and I won. He made a mistake in using his equipment. Was I speeding? Probably. Did I learn a lesson? Yes, I do drive slower now. Did he learn a lesson? I hope so. Next time he'll pay more attention so he doesn't have to lose on a technicality.