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Shane M
05-11-2008, 11:00 PM
Here is mine. It's a 93 F350 2wd, 460, 4 door, AC, E4OD, Sterling rear with 4:10's and clutch posi.
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p119/Shane_McK/100_2851.jpg
swynx
05-12-2008, 01:43 AM
wow thats a long ___ truck, if u put a canopy on it and cut out the back of the cab u could have a limo
BlackBII
05-12-2008, 09:43 AM
wow thats a long ___ truck, if u put a canopy on it and cut out the back of the cab u could have a limo
lol
I was thinkin the same thing....
Mine's long too--'88 old-body type Chevy. 6.2 diesel, TH475, Gear Vendors overdrive/splitter, 10.5" 14-bolt with 4.10s.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/2307000-2307999/2307876_11_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/2307000-2307999/2307876_8_full.jpg
mhughes165
05-12-2008, 10:34 AM
thats prolly a bad ass powerplant, as i spy a banks turbo charger system on it, those 6.2's can ahndle the boost when turboed thats for damn sure, i had one in my old 83 burban, but it wasnt turbo but still had plenty enoguh grunt to recover all the biggest and baddest rigs when they got stuck
It's fine. This motor was 155hp 285ft# at the stock fuel setting of 48.5mm/stroke. The torque these make is directly varies with the fuel you can inject when you have a turbo on it, displacement doesn't really matter as long as you have unused oxygen in there. So this pump is capable of about 80mm/stroke, theoretically capable of 470ft#. Mines not turned up all the way--maybe to something short of 450ft#. It doesn't downshift on hills, though I pull it down when the temps get up to 1,000F. These high compression diesels aren't meant to be run that hot. I'm nice to it and it's nice to me. I don't beat it up and it does what I need it to do. Without the turbo, it was a hazard with anything more than 6,000# on the hitch. I had one of those 16' tandem trailers made out of angle iron and a wood deck--only weighed 1,350# empty. When I was using that the natural aspirated 6.2 was fine. When I got the 2-car trailer that was 3,600# empty it was too much for it. I was coming back from Attica and it was okay onnce I was on the highway, but when I had to merge onto the Indy beltway, it was a slight upgrade and I had the pedal to the floor and the truck would not gain speed--and it was 5pm on a friday. I had enough. With the turbo this truck pulls into traffic more quickly than Sam's 2002 7.3 Powerstroke which was a 520ft# with a 6-speed and 3.73s. Most of it is that the computer on his only gives you fuel when the cruise is on. Kind of annoying.
Jim Oaks
05-12-2008, 04:21 PM
I replaced this:
http://www.therangerstation.com/TRS_Trucks/f250/f250_driverside.JPG
With this:
http://www.therangerstation.com/TRS_Trucks/f250/trs_tow-rig.JPG
The first was a 1989 Ford F-250 7.3L Diesel (non-turbo) with a C6 transmission.
The second is a 2007 Ford F-150 5.4L with an automatic and tow package.
I love the F-150. It's very strong and tows great.
Black'03LevelII
05-12-2008, 04:52 PM
I need to find and borrow a trailer like the one you have there Jim. I'm gonna be going over into PA to pick up a beetle here soon, and right now looking at renting something from U-Hual.
koda6966
05-12-2008, 05:20 PM
If I ever need a tow rig I'll just borrow a trailer and put it behind the old work truck.:icon_cheers:
But then again... it only has front brakes...
Maybe not such a good idea.
85_Ranger4x4
05-12-2008, 05:37 PM
I pull with:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/291000-291999/291515_53_full.jpg
What I pull:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/291000-291999/291515_28_full.jpg
I don't have a picture of the tractor on the trailer or even of the trailer, it is just a standard car trailer with two 3500lb axles.
racsan
05-13-2008, 07:13 AM
'94 351/E4OD/3.55's not nearly as good as what it replaced. (a '77 400/C6/4.10's) http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l241/racsan_2006/davesfile010.jpg my "light hauler" i had intended to start a busisness with this rig until fuel prices went through the roof, i get only about 14 with the ranger pulling this 6x9 haulmark trailer, the wind resistance from the front of the traailer is the biggest killer. trailer only weighs 1,000 pounds empty. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l241/racsan_2006/Picture093.jpg this is what i was going to replace the ranger with, overkill i know but a real sweet ride. has less than 70,000 miles, bought new by my dad to pull a 26' travel trailer. it has a 351/E4OD/3.55. gets 14 at best with no trailer. it replaced a '89 bronco with a 302/creeper 1st manual trans. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l241/racsan_2006/davesfile002-1.jpg
metalmacguyver
05-13-2008, 07:43 AM
4.0/5spd/3.73/32"/Electric brakes
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v256/190/119/703930719/n703930719_2926802_9117.jpg
That's not underpowered. When my dad drove a semi when I was a kid, it only had a 275hp Detroit--it was enough and he drove coast to coast. Nowadays people expect to hook up a damn house and accelerate like they had little cars.
85_Ranger4x4
05-19-2008, 06:42 PM
I hitched up the rig to go plow my grandfather's garden and test out my plow. It is the most weight I have pulled and it pulled it better than it has ever pulled the tractor before:icon_confused: Dunno what made the biggest difference between my exhaust, intake or the nice weather (low 70's opposed to mid 90's and humid when I normally pull it) but it pulled it like a champ. It always has pulled it great, just this time is better than I remember, plus the soundtrack of the 5.4 on the top of its game was hard to beat.:icon_thumby:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/291000-291999/291515_55_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/291000-291999/291515_56_full.jpg
I do like the sound of those. Some people complain that they are buzzy, but that's just the 4+" stroke taking care of business. If I had a gasoline truck I'd probably have that motor in a crewcab F250 like Jspafford's. I don't need a V10 to get by and I imagine the mileage would be much worse in daily driving.
Jspafford
05-20-2008, 05:14 PM
I do like the sound of those. Some people complain that they are buzzy, but that's just the 4+" stroke taking care of business. If I had a gasoline truck I'd probably have that motor in a crewcab F250 like Jspafford's. I don't need a V10 to get by and I imagine the mileage would be much worse in daily driving.
Hurry Will, the ebay auction on my truck ends in 6 hours!
85_Ranger4x4
05-20-2008, 10:54 PM
I do like the sound of those. Some people complain that they are buzzy, but that's just the 4+" stroke taking care of business. If I had a gasoline truck I'd probably have that motor in a crewcab F250 like Jspafford's. I don't need a V10 to get by and I imagine the mileage would be much worse in daily driving.
Actually my dad is looking at an '03 SuperCrew with a 5.4. It is a nice truck but from what I gather they get about the same milage as a V-10.
Sorry Jspafford, your truck is nice but just too darn far away.:dntknw:
I wouldn't call a mod motor "buzzy" Both my brother (he has a 4.6) and I have exhausts and really they seem smoother than a pushrod engine, thats about it.
JohnnyU
05-20-2008, 11:20 PM
My tow rig:
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=734&d=1211343538
Boggin-B-Series
05-27-2008, 10:37 AM
That's not underpowered. When my dad drove a semi when I was a kid, it only had a 275hp Detroit--it was enough and he drove coast to coast. Nowadays people expect to hook up a damn house and accelerate like they had little cars.
yea i know,
Dad gave up truckin a few weeks ago, He had a 475 Cat With 2 Turbos..
That thing was sick, Before he had tthe governer on it me and dad used to do a weeks work in like 3 or 4 days:headbang::3gears:..
I was named by the other truckers "Dads Co-Pilot":yahoo:
Maverick
06-03-2008, 06:30 PM
Mines an 01 F250 Diesel, 6 speed, 3.73 L/S. Stock besides 4" turbo back stainless exhaust, but not for long.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Outlawz4X4/CopyofIMG_0934.jpg
racsan
06-04-2008, 12:12 AM
nice maverick! dont see many of those anymore.
mountaineergreen
06-08-2008, 12:22 PM
My "tow rig" - I can wheel it in Moab or tow this:
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data/3486/medium/trucks_010_Medium_.jpg
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data/3619/medium/EvanUphill_Medium_.JPG
5.0 intake and headers, Xcal 2, 4R70W, BW4406 Transfercase from an F150 for selectable 2wd or 4wd, 33's, 4.10 gears.
I've since sold the camper, gas is too expensive for me to drag it around, especially now. I did tow my wife's car on a tandem axle car trailer with no problem the other day.
Toreadorranger
06-08-2008, 12:49 PM
2007 Toyota Tundra Double Cab, 5.7 V8/6speed auto, 10.5" Hino Rear end
Only thing I have done is the TRD Dual exhaust.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/redranger4.0/Tundra/DSC00188.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/redranger4.0/Tundra/DSC00187.jpg
That's probably the most powerful engine in a pickup. I'm sure it's awesome. I was thrown by the Hino rear thing. But since you posted it, I looked it up. It's a semi-float with axle shafts smaller than a 9.5" Chevy. I also saw a picture of the ring gear. Thin. But I'm sure with 400ft# of torque it's what is needed in an upgrade from the standard axle. And I do like those trucks. It's just not an equivalent by any means to a Sterling, Dana 70 or GM 10.5" axle. You can wear the axle bearings from any of those like jangle bracelets and there are 2 per side. On a semifloat you have an inch and half axle bearing and only one per side--and the shaft still does double duty. A real Hino HD axle with the wide 6-lug pattern would have been cool. I was disappointed.
The only thing I don't like though is the rear door handle. It's out of place. On your truck a regular door handle like the front would be much better.
maxlessca
06-10-2008, 02:42 PM
This is my tow rig:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/maxlessca/100_6706.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/maxlessca/100_6746.jpg
2002 Ranger, 4.0L 2wd
I would love to have a 1/2 ton to tow, but I don't really need it. I don't see myself towing anything over 5000lbs any time soon. If I didn't need to tow anything, I'd own a metro.
Toreadorranger
06-13-2008, 11:20 AM
That's probably the most powerful engine in a pickup. I'm sure it's awesome. I was thrown by the Hino rear thing. But since you posted it, I looked it up. It's a semi-float with axle shafts smaller than a 9.5" Chevy. I also saw a picture of the ring gear. Thin. But I'm sure with 400ft# of torque it's what is needed in an upgrade from the standard axle. And I do like those trucks. It's just not an equivalent by any means to a Sterling, Dana 70 or GM 10.5" axle. You can wear the axle bearings from any of those like jangle bracelets and there are 2 per side. On a semifloat you have an inch and half axle bearing and only one per side--and the shaft still does double duty. A real Hino HD axle with the wide 6-lug pattern would have been cool. I was disappointed.
The only thing I don't like though is the rear door handle. It's out of place. On your truck a regular door handle like the front would be much better.
Remember its only a 1/2 ton truck, hence the semi float. I dont know where you got your info (there is two rear axles for the new tundra, the the BD26B is the larger axle which my truck has. there is also a 9.5" ring gear verison, the BD24B) but the BD26B has 36 spline 1.45" shafts, 10.5" ring gear, and larger rotors then a F350 (hence why all the trucks have 18's).
compleckz
06-13-2008, 03:22 PM
This is my tow rig:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii202/maxlessca/100_6706.jpg
a mk3 vw golf needing to be towed? unheard of! ;missingteeth;
<3 VW
I already looked up those measurements. The 9.5" semi-float GM has 1.5" shafts. It's used in heavy 1500s and light 2500s. Up to 7,200# GVWR.
Larger diameter rotors--my wife's Pilot also has larger diameter rotors. That isn't a substantial measurement. They are frisbees. The same diameter as the ones on my Chevy, but only 17#. It's a gimmick measurement. The rear brake drums on my Chevy are 49# each and the front rotors are 40# each. The pertinent issues are the friction. That means pressure and area and diameter and heat absorbtion and dissipation.
It's a gimmick that they put a 10.5" ring gear in that axle. It was calculated, and aimed at Nissan and their 8.5" D44 that sux so badly.
Toreadorranger
06-14-2008, 12:19 PM
That means pressure and area and diameter and heat absorbtion and dissipation.
And a Larger rotor allows more braking surface area along with more heat disapation due to more surface area.......
It doesn't allow more area. The size of the pads dictates that. The mass of the rotor has a lot to do with how much heat it can absorb without the pad losing its grip and the rotor deforming.
It's an advertising gimmick measurement.
Hahnsb2
06-21-2008, 11:52 PM
Larger rotors also give more stopping power from the increased leverage, think of how well brakes work on mountain bikes with large wheels compared to BMX bikes with small wheels, it's a night and day difference.
Loanranger
06-22-2008, 12:49 AM
It doesn't allow more area. The size of the pads dictates that. The mass of the rotor has a lot to do with how much heat it can absorb without the pad losing its grip and the rotor deforming.
It's an advertising gimmick measurement.
Just a thought, but don't you think the size of the pads is directly proportional to the size of the rotors? :icon_confused: I do however agree that a thicker rotor will heat and cool slower, therefore reducing the chances of warping.
Stl515273
06-22-2008, 07:52 PM
Paid 200 dollars to move this for my father
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/Stl515273/Truck%20Pictures/Painted4.jpg
My summer time money making hobby
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/Stl515273/Truck%20Pictures/100_0544.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/Stl515273/Truck%20Pictures/100_0546.jpg
85_Ranger4x4
06-23-2008, 12:57 PM
It doesn't allow more area. The size of the pads dictates that. The mass of the rotor has a lot to do with how much heat it can absorb without the pad losing its grip and the rotor deforming.
It's an advertising gimmick measurement.
You can get a bigger pad on a bigger rotor though and have it cool better. Make the rotor bigger and make the pad bigger at the same ratio and it will stop better, I don't know if they do that though. I assume the front rotors on my dad's F-350 are bigger than my Rangers for a reason...
Kinda funny the rotors they are so proud about on their commercials are the same size as the F-150's...
racsan
08-04-2008, 12:37 PM
http://www.myspace.com/small_dog_trucking
You can get a bigger pad on a bigger rotor though and have it cool better. Make the rotor bigger and make the pad bigger at the same ratio and it will stop better, I don't know if they do that though. I assume the front rotors on my dad's F-350 are bigger than my Rangers for a reason...
Kinda funny the rotors they are so proud about on their commercials are the same size as the F-150's...
Navistar puts 15" disks on their medium duty trucks and buses (http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/srm/oid/153759/pn/Long-Life-Brake-Rotor-82mm-Front-IHC-10-Hub-Studs/erm/product_detail.jsp). That makes diameter a fairly meaningless dimension to me. I'm not a brake systems engineer but I'm sure the brakes on a 7,000# GVWR pickup are toys compared to the brakes on a 25,000# GVWR 4700 International.
85_Ranger4x4
08-04-2008, 07:16 PM
Navistar puts 15" disks on their medium duty trucks and buses (http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/srm/oid/153759/pn/Long-Life-Brake-Rotor-82mm-Front-IHC-10-Hub-Studs/erm/product_detail.jsp). That makes diameter a fairly meaningless dimension to me. I'm not a brake systems engineer but I'm sure the brakes on a 7,000# GVWR pickup are toys compared to the brakes on a 25,000# GVWR 4700 International.
Some semi tractors don't even have front brakes...
True. But the front axle of a road tractor doesn't get the load dumped on it during a stop so it's a totally different animal. A straight truck or bus has the same characteristics as a pickup during a stop.
Point is, this 5-ton dump has 15" brake disks on all 4 wheels. It has calipers with dual 2.5" pistons and that's where the stopping power comes from.
http://image1.usedvictoria.com/YYJ6530269.2.jpg
STANG3O2
09-09-2008, 04:24 PM
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/bronco%20II/Picture211.jpg
04' F350 6.0l
And my deck over. Currently has a tank mounted on it.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/Satellite%20trailer%20conversion/101_0176-1.jpg
Dewman
09-14-2008, 05:58 PM
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq169/Dewman364/DSC01361.jpg
http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0.1&disp=emb&view=att&th=11c6312ec9eff7b6
DaveyFX4
09-16-2008, 12:27 AM
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f23/ae91dave/n513875123_1270608_40.jpg
WhiteRanger4x4
09-29-2008, 05:06 AM
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc7/WhiteRanger96/09-13-08034.jpg
Sorry I don't have any pictures of it towing anything.
koda6966
09-29-2008, 05:26 AM
I bet one of those tanks could tow pretty good. :icon_thumby:
Brandon12
09-29-2008, 09:55 PM
Got my license in this beast. 1997 F350 Powerstroke Crew cab, Long bed.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/beaverill/104_8099.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/beaverill/104_8098.jpg
3 of 7
09-30-2008, 10:03 AM
Here's my 95 Powerstroke
http://www.rebootz.ca/Casper/wood%20aug%202005.JPG
Here it is towing my vintage TT
http://www.rebootz.ca/Casper/Casper%20(2)%20%5B800x600%5D.jpg
gotmudd
09-30-2008, 11:18 AM
this my tow rig/daily driver. it's a 1973 F250 4x4, same truck as my sig, it's old, ugly and tough as an old bull in a s^^t kickin' contest. so far [knock on wood and all that crap] it ain't let me down. haven't hooked up to anything yet that i haven't been able to move with a little finesse [low gears and LOTS of throttle] everything is stock [except the flatbed and front bumper] http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/gotmudd_01/090508_1050a.jpg[/IMG] http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/gotmudd_01/041108_0818a.jpg[/IMG] http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/gotmudd_01/truck/mud%20truck/032008_1722a.jpg[/IMG]
mobileaudio219
10-06-2008, 09:29 PM
1988 Chevy 2500, 305 (soon to be 350), 4 speed, 4x4.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/3124000-3124999/3124515_14_full.jpg
350 short block, 4 bolt main. I'm building a mild 355, vortec heads, ect.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/3124000-3124999/3124515_34_full.jpg
18ft trailer, just redid the floor a beefed it up a little.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/3124000-3124999/3124515_33_full.jpg
mobileaudio219
10-06-2008, 09:34 PM
this my tow rig/daily driver. it's a 1973 F250 4x4, same truck as my sig, it's old, ugly and tough as an old bull in a s^^t kickin' contest. so far [knock on wood and all that crap] it ain't let me down. haven't hooked up to anything yet that i haven't been able to move with a little finesse [low gears and LOTS of throttle] everything is stock [except the flatbed and front bumper] http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/gotmudd_01/090508_1050a.jpg[/IMG] http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/gotmudd_01/041108_0818a.jpg[/IMG] http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/gotmudd_01/truck/mud%20truck/032008_1722a.jpg[/IMG]
Holy crap, how can you afford to daily drive that thing?
I dont drive the chevy inless theres a load behind it...
gotmudd
10-07-2008, 12:22 AM
Holy crap, how can you afford to daily drive that thing?
I dont drive the chevy inless theres a load behind it...it's easy when i get 14mpg@ loaded or empty
Just don't drive it very far, that's the secret.
gotmudd
10-07-2008, 09:39 AM
Just don't drive it very far, that's the secret.
drove it from columbia falls, mt to port angeles, wa 720miles on a tank and a half:blush:
The question was how can you afford to daily drive it. I drive 1,000 miles a month. If I had a 14mpg vehicle (which that isn't in town) I would pay $3,000/year in gas. I stopped daily driving my full-size and got the 39mpg Honda which would save me $1,900/year over a 14mpg truck--and probably well over $2,000 year if I drove yours. I drive my full-size about once a week now--and on trips when I have to haul shit across the country. The little car will have paid for itself by about New Years.
gotmudd
10-07-2008, 08:58 PM
The question was how can you afford to daily drive it. I drive 1,000 miles a month. If I had a 14mpg vehicle (which that isn't in town) I would pay $3,000/year in gas. I stopped daily driving my full-size and got the 39mpg Honda which would save me $1,900/year over a 14mpg truck--and probably well over $2,000 year if I drove yours. I drive my full-size about once a week now--and on trips when I have to haul shit across the country. The little car will have paid for itself by about New Years.that 14mpg. is my daily mpg. don't know what my hwy mpg. is, i think it's around 16mpg and when i see home maybe one wek a month when i am fishing :icon_confused: besides it's 1-2mpg better than my camaro
low_five
10-20-2008, 01:12 AM
when I first got it. Austin TX
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p146/modulistic/truck.jpg
Rammunition360
10-20-2008, 12:42 PM
I replaced this:
http://www.therangerstation.com/TRS_Trucks/f250/f250_driverside.JPG
With this:
http://www.therangerstation.com/TRS_Trucks/f250/trs_tow-rig.JPG
The first was a 1989 Ford F-250 7.3L Diesel (non-turbo) with a C6 transmission.
The second is a 2007 Ford F-150 5.4L with an automatic and tow package.
I love the F-150. It's very strong and tows great.
damn man i woulda kept the ol f-2 over that f-150 anyday...that this was beautiful even though its IDI :pray::pray::pray:
That F250 came a long way. Here's what it looked like the first time I saw it:
http://therangerstation.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1056&stc=1&d=1224551775
JFA_Spyderman
10-27-2008, 12:22 AM
Yo,
Here is my rig, 08' F-250, 4x4, 5.4l, can tow up to 9,000 lbs. The company actually owns it, but it is mine to drive to and from work and wherever else I need.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6053/fall2008071yr6.jpg
heres mine, but i really need to get a 2" reciver mounted on the new bumper
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/AK96/other%20pics/july%2008%20to%20current/007-21.jpg
purpony
10-29-2008, 12:33 PM
http://www.speedfreaks-ct.com/uploadmarcs/MarcsF-1505-13-08LiftedPasssideDadshouse.JPG
http://www.speedfreaks-ct.com/uploadmarcs/MarcsF-1505-13-08LiftedRearDadshouse.JPG
1badexplorer
11-12-2008, 08:45 PM
79 F350 on 85 F35o frame. 5.9 CUMMINS 12 valve turbo diesel, nv4500 5spd, dana 60 front, 4.10 l/s sterling 10.25 rear.
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/1badexplorer/011.jpg
It replaced this 79 F250 10"lift, 38" boggers, 460, 4spd, dana 60s f/r 4.10 l/s, ladder bars.
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/1badexplorer/013.jpg
racsan
11-13-2008, 01:29 AM
dads big bronco with my 6x10 trailer. more motor/more brakes than the ranger. if only i could afford to feed it on a regular basis. the "lincoln" of tow rigs. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l241/racsan_2006/20081109_2.jpg
[QUOTE=1badexplorer;250591]79 F350 on 85 F35o frame. 5.9 CUMMINS 12 valve turbo diesel, nv4500 5spd, dana 60 front, 4.10 l/s sterling 10.25 rear.
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/1badexplorer/011.jpg
That's a great truck.:icon_thumby:
Sevensecondsuv
11-13-2008, 08:26 PM
Someday when I build my tow rig it is going to be about an 85 F-350, 4x4, dual rear wheel, with about a 10' steak body. The powerplant is going to be a 10:1 compression, aluminum headed 449 (390 stroker) with either an NV4500 or a T-18 with a gear splitter overdrive.
I should really start saving up now...
koda6966
11-13-2008, 08:41 PM
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r115/rdnx4life/Ranger%20Station/Dadstruck3.jpg
Closest thing I have to a tow rig.
1987 Dodge PowerRam 150 4x4
318 V8, 4speed Auto.
My father paid 500 for her about a year ago, after he stopped driving his 1987 2wd with a manual, same engine. He drove that truck for 8 years, only paying 800 for it.
Pretty damn tough trucks.
That era Dodge ('81-'93) was kinda bad. Dodge was sucking (the bailout was '79), quality was horrible. The engine options were between 225 and 360cid--the B engines were dropped before that body style came out. The crew cab was gone too. It was the worst generation of any full-size pickup in my opinion. The 360 was a good motor, but if you wanted serious power for towing something you had to get a Ford or GM for the 460 or 454. In '89 the Cummins became available but it wasnt until the 94s that Dodge got its respect back with the V10 coming out and overpowering the GM and Fords.
koda6966
11-13-2008, 09:26 PM
That era Dodge ('81-'93) was kinda bad. Dodge was sucking (the bailout was '79), quality was horrible. The engine options were between 225 and 360cid--the B engines were dropped before that body style came out. The crew cab was gone too. It was the worst generation of any full-size pickup in my opinion. The 360 was a good motor, but if you wanted serious power for towing something you had to get a Ford or GM for the 460 or 454. In '89 the Cummins became available but it wasnt until the 94s that Dodge got its respect back with the V10 coming out and overpowering the GM and Fords.
I'm not going by power, I'm going by the reliability of the truck. They have far outlasted any of the fords or chevy's we've had from the same era. Well, our '78 C10 was a pretty good truck, until a tree fell on it at least. And when you say the B engines were dropped before that body style, this was the only body style until 1993, the Ram line started in 1981?
93_RangerSC
11-13-2008, 10:14 PM
79 F350 on 85 F35o frame. 5.9 CUMMINS 12 valve turbo diesel, nv4500 5spd, dana 60 front, 4.10 l/s sterling 10.25 rear.
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/1badexplorer/011.jpg
It replaced this 79 F250 10"lift, 38" boggers, 460, 4spd, dana 60s f/r 4.10 l/s, ladder bars.
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr183/1badexplorer/013.jpg
damn i woulda just kept the 79:headbang:
valleyvinyl84
11-13-2008, 10:21 PM
WTF! I woulda bought the '79!!!!!!!!!!!
koda6966
11-13-2008, 10:23 PM
They're both kick ass '79s.
One of my favorite full-size ford body styles.
1badexplorer
11-14-2008, 08:00 PM
No, I still got it could never sale that truck. The 460 is just to hard on fuel, and towing with 38s is kinda scary. But mostly I don't like towing with a truck that already illegal in my state due to lift laws and bumper hights etc. Its just another one of my play toys now as if I was short on them already lol.
valleyvinyl84
11-14-2008, 08:08 PM
No, I still got it could never sale that truck. The 460 is just to hard on fuel, and towing with 38s is kinda scary. But mostly I don't like towing with a truck that already illegal in my state due to lift laws and bumper hights etc. Its just another one of my play toys now as if I was short on them already lol.
Oh... ok thank god!
rusty ol ranger
11-16-2008, 09:16 AM
Heres my Tow Rig, well, soon to be once i get the box actually bolted on and the sides cut down, the bumpers welded back on, oh...and the oil changed :) 400M/4bbl with headers and RV cam, BwT18 4sp, and Dana 70 Rear....
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/22/l_34b412b08ad34b519e1a834e1613f625.jpg
Heres my Current tow Rig....96 F150 4x4, 300inline/auto
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/53/l_d63867f97fea42c088958aec37a6466c.jpg
later,
Dustin
And when you say the B engines were dropped before that body style, this was the only body style until 1993, the Ram line started in 1981?
Right. Before that, you could get a big V8 and a crewcab.
Those were shit in all regards. Chrysler was notorious for putting lighter parts in and badging them up heavier. It's nothing everyone doesn't know. The 1994 was a godsend for them--finally making a real truck again.
84projectFORD
11-17-2008, 04:27 PM
here is my 2002 chevy 2500HD. its a long one with a crew cab and ling bed. she has a 8" lift on 37s, stock 3.73s, exhaust and PPE Hot+2 chip set on 2 (need a tranny for any higher stage) I have done a bunch of little stuff to it for looks and tow better. she has 120,000 on her and gets 22 mpg on highway! dont htink id ever get rid of this truck, its been way too good to me
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/james450r/my%20truck/23-1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/james450r/my%20truck/23.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/james450r/my%20truck/8-1.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/james450r/my%20truck/PICT0067.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f88/james450r/my%20truck/Picture20or20Video20073.jpg
there is a pic of me haulin my buddies boat to san diego in july but i haul a 25 foot flatbed w/ either the sami or my ranger on the back or my dirt bike and my friends bikes with the rhino on there for the dunes! I have also hauled our 28 foot double decker tongue trailer loaded to about 20,000 lbs about twenty miles one time on the highway. with no air bags on the truck that thing was scarrrrrry. on little gust of wind and the trailer drove you where it wanted to go
chvlfrk
11-17-2008, 05:28 PM
92 Chevy C2500 w/95 GMC grille:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/94ranger355/92%20C2500%20Stakebed/92C2500w95GMCgrille750pix-1.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/94ranger355/92%20C2500%20Stakebed/92C2500wNEWlowerrailshitchmodifiedb.jpg
2006 Gator Made trailer:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h177/94ranger355/355%2094%20Ranger/71206onwaytomufflershop1000pix2.jpg
85_Ranger4x4
11-18-2008, 05:04 PM
Right. Before that, you could get a big V8 and a crewcab.
Those were shit in all regards. Chrysler was notorious for putting lighter parts in and badging them up heavier. It's nothing everyone doesn't know. The 1994 was a godsend for them--finally making a real truck again.
This is the 1970 D20 my grandfather bought brand new. While it only has a 318, there was a optional 383 avalable. I think about the only option it got was the 318, it is even factory radio delete. It is a riot to drive as with 80k very well taken care of miles it still drives about like it did new, someday (hopefully no time soon) it will be mine. He bought it to haul with in the bed (grain and livestock) so I guess it isn't really a tow rig, but my great granfather went through two axle shafts and a engine with his IH 1100 pickup trying to keep up with hauling grain at harvest.
Note this was pre Ram, and this thing has "Chrysler" plastered all over rather than Dodge, I think the only place it really says that it is a Dodge is on the outside, otherwise under the hood and even on the steering wheel it is a product of "Chrysler Corporation"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/85_Ranger/Family%20Reunion/Reunion003-1.jpg?t=1227049347
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/85_Ranger/Family%20Reunion/Reunion005-1.jpg?t=1227049576
That's 2 generations earlier than the Dodges I was badmouthing. Does that have the old poly 318? When I was a kid I helped my friends uncle move and he borrowed a Dodge about that year and it had the poly 318, not an LA.
An 1100 IH is a half ton isn't it? A pickup can haul about 60 bushels which is about 3,000# of wheat. I would guess that would thrash a half-ton of that era. Probably had a D44 rear axle. Pretty tedious method of hauling grain though, with a pickup. Most small time guys here have an old beater International LoadStar with a 240 bushel box or something that they only use during harvest. The guy I used to help did 14 acres of soybeans and got about 180 bushels per acre--pretty low yield I think. That's about 2500 bushels though, about ten loads with the old Loadstar but about 40 with a pickup. And that's a small field.
Is that a shortbed? If so, that makes it even more tedious.
koda6966
11-20-2008, 05:52 AM
Right. Before that, you could get a big V8 and a crewcab.
Those were shit in all regards. Chrysler was notorious for putting lighter parts in and badging them up heavier. It's nothing everyone doesn't know. The 1994 was a godsend for them--finally making a real truck again.
You could get a 360 from 1981 and up, and I think you could get it in a 5.9 cummins as well.
I'm also pretty sure I've seen a crew in that generation.
--Edit--
Here's a picture of the crew cab first gen..
http://images.dieselpowermag.com/features/trucks/0704dp_05_s+1980s_diesel_vehicles+dodge_ram_cummin s_crew_cab.jpg
The link says it has the cummins as well. Thought you said that didn't exist?
The 360 is not a big V8. The Cummins didn't come around until '89.
So you made me look it up. I was wrong. A crewcab was available through 1988. But it was only a 149" WB so it must have only come with a shortbed. Since Dodge was only selling about 80,000 total full-size trucks a year, that accounts for me never having seen one.
The base engine for their fullsize in 1987 was a 90hp 170ft# inline-6. In 1987 GM's base motor was a 155hp 230ft# 4.3L V6 and Ford's was a 150hp 265ft# inline 6.
The 318 was 140hp, 240ft# and still had a carb. The 305 GM was 170hp, 365ft# and EFI. The 302 Ford was 185hp, 270ft# and EFI.
On the next level, Dodge's highest, the 360 was 175hp, 280ft# and still had a carb. The GM 350 was 210hp, 300ft# and EFI and the 351 Ford was 190hp and 285ft#. Again, both beat up on the Dodge.
Then, GM had a 454 w/ 230hp & 385ft# and Ford had a 460 with 245hp and 380ft#.
And they both had a diesel available as well.
They both had overdrive transmissions long available where Dodge did not.
Ford sold about 550,000 F-series. GM sold 450,000 full-size. Dodge sold 80,000.
GM redesigned their trucks and in 1988 and sold 520,000 units that year. The Ford at least looked different between '86 and '87. Dodge didn't do anything until the 1994 model year. And their sales always showed it. They just didn't offer much. I was driving all through those years. Even the military disliked those trucks. The Dodge was the first CUCCV--tactical pickup. After a couple years of poor reliability, they shitcanned the lot of them and bought a couple billion GM pickups and Blazers--which are still going strong 25 years later.
koda6966
11-20-2008, 07:23 AM
I'm not arguing the point that there were better vehicles, just that it came with a crew cab option and that it came with the 5.9, which in your opinion isn't a big V8 but in mine it is because I'm used to the little 5.2. So, looking up the specs of each manufacturer's engine (unless you already knew them which is quite possible) was utterly pointless.
--Edit--
It also makes sense to me that Dodge would sell less in the 80's because the Ram line was just starting out, as opposed to the F-Series which was around since the 40's or 50's and the Chevy C(?) line which was around since the 60's. Reputation certainly wins sales.
Jason
11-20-2008, 08:33 AM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/azoazc/Freightliner.jpg
racsan
11-20-2008, 08:59 AM
now thats overkill. like the wide single rears over the conventional duals though.
I don't know why Dodge gave up on the Power Wagon name for that Ram name. Power Wagon is a much better name. A sheep hood ornament came on some of those Ram trucks.
That road tractor looks like a good canidate for a trip out west some day. Lease a trailer that we can put a dozen RBVs on and fill up my schoolbus with the people and camping gear.
Jason
11-20-2008, 05:52 PM
I don't know why Dodge gave up on the Power Wagon name for that Ram name. Power Wagon is a much better name. A sheep hood ornament came on some of those Ram trucks.
That road tractor looks like a good canidate for a trip out west some day. Lease a trailer that we can put a dozen RBVs on and fill up my schoolbus with the people and camping gear.
I have access to a 48' flatbed trailer. No car hauler though.
Jason
11-20-2008, 05:52 PM
now thats overkill. like the wide single rears over the conventional duals though.
Not overkill for 80k pounds of stuff though. :D
85_Ranger4x4
11-20-2008, 07:23 PM
That's 2 generations earlier than the Dodges I was badmouthing. Does that have the old poly 318? When I was a kid I helped my friends uncle move and he borrowed a Dodge about that year and it had the poly 318, not an LA.
An 1100 IH is a half ton isn't it? A pickup can haul about 60 bushels which is about 3,000# of wheat. I would guess that would thrash a half-ton of that era. Probably had a D44 rear axle. Pretty tedious method of hauling grain though, with a pickup. Most small time guys here have an old beater International LoadStar with a 240 bushel box or something that they only use during harvest. The guy I used to help did 14 acres of soybeans and got about 180 bushels per acre--pretty low yield I think. That's about 2500 bushels though, about ten loads with the old Loadstar but about 40 with a pickup. And that's a small field.
Is that a shortbed? If so, that makes it even more tedious.
Wikipedia says that the LA replaced the poly in '66 so I assume that it has a LA. It is a torquey bugger whatever it is.
1100 was a light half ton, it has the same 5 x 4.5" wheel boltpattern as my Ranger so it is by no means a heavy duty truck. He also had sideboards in the bed (it is a longbed too) to increase capacity so you can imagine what it was going through. It also has overload springs, but I don't know if they came on it or were added. He was really ornery and was always up for a compitition. This was back in the 70's, they kept most of their grain for feed. We have still it too, it has a tad more rust but is still pretty straight... and no pictures.
BLOODBANE
11-22-2008, 01:25 PM
I'll play. I got this last year(07) in November. It replaced a 89 F250 supercab with the 351........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/BLOODBANE81230/DSC00152.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/BLOODBANE81230/Picture002.jpg
It has the V-10(I wanted the diesel, but couldn't find one I liked around here at the time). I get 11.5mpg, loaded or empty......
Nice truck. I spent some time behind the wheel of one similar and going back to the sheetmetal interior of my own truck is a feeling like trading 12" memory foam for an army cot.
koda6966
11-22-2008, 10:34 PM
I get run off the road by one of those ALLLLLL the time.
Some people need to learn how to drive on skinny dirt roads.
marcehboy
11-26-2008, 08:58 PM
76 F-350 car hauler with 70,000 miles on it with a fresh 460 mated with a new c6
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj238/marcehboy/IMG00169.jpg
The Power
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj238/marcehboy/IMG00170.jpg
Do you guys do automotive wiring? I just put a 460 in a '76 F350 and need someone to unphawk the spider's web in the engine compartment.
TwoTrackMind
11-28-2008, 11:07 PM
Did someone mention overkill? This is my previous Ranger on a towbar behind the Pete.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/erTwoTrackMind/peteDSCN0318.jpg
The Detroit Diesel pulled pretty good, hardly noticed the little bugger back there.
I have a '87 Dodge W150 myself that I use to drop off my Ranger at the shop for extended repairs. Not a whole lot to look at tho... If I lived in SoCal, Id ditch it and just use my '64 P'Wagon all year long.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/erTwoTrackMind/64DODGE512x384.jpg
I believe the '69 440 Magnum would be up for the task (Not like the Detroiter tho).
Jason
11-29-2008, 06:52 AM
Did someone mention overkill? This is my previous Ranger on a towbar behind the Pete.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/erTwoTrackMind/peteDSCN0318.jpg
The Detroit Diesel pulled pretty good, hardly noticed the little bugger back there.
I have a '87 Dodge W150 myself that I use to drop off my Ranger at the shop for extended repairs. Not a whole lot to look at tho... If I lived in SoCal, Id ditch it and just use my '64 P'Wagon all year long.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/erTwoTrackMind/64DODGE512x384.jpg
I believe the '69 440 Magnum would be up for the task (Not like the Detroiter tho).
Nice. Is that a 379?
marcehboy
11-29-2008, 12:36 PM
Do you guys do automotive wiring? I just put a 460 in a '76 F350 and need someone to unphawk the spider's web in the engine compartment.
Yea my dad does its still not done in the ramptruck it takes time, just take your time and youll figure it out eventually.
chvlfrk
11-29-2008, 03:22 PM
I have a '87 Dodge W150 myself that I use to drop off my Ranger at the shop for extended repairs. Not a whole lot to look at tho... If I lived in SoCal, Id ditch it and just use my '64 P'Wagon all year long.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/erTwoTrackMind/64DODGE512x384.jpg
I believe the '69 440 Magnum would be up for the task (Not like the Detroiter tho).
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SOB that's a SWEET Power Wagon!:icon_surprised::icon_thumby:
More details & pics PLEASE!:icon_cheers:
TwoTrackMind
11-29-2008, 11:22 PM
Nice. Is that a 379?
I dunno much about the big trucks. I dont own any, just drive them mostly.
SOB that's a SWEET Power Wagon!
More details & pics PLEASE!
I built the '64 about 15 years ago and have drove it very little since. Its on the '78 chassis of a truck I bought in '79. I had eventually built it up with the 440, 4:10 posi's, 33" tires and a small lift. Then the body decided to rust off. I had gotten another more stock truck ('87) in the meantime and decided to redo the '78 with a rustfree '64 body I found in Arkansas (a 6cyl 2wd truck). The frame was sandblasted and painted then the body fitted quite easily (comparitively). The restoration of the '64 was then done. I have only one more digital pic (after recently upgrading to 35's) but I could scan some of the old photos if you want.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/erTwoTrackMind/64Dscn0176-512x384.jpg
Or take some more detail shots for now as its in the barn for a while.:)
Cheeks
12-01-2008, 02:01 PM
this my 99 F250 crew cab long bed, 7.3 diesel auto trans, it used to pull my race cars and now its gonna pull my ranger. It has 33's and some little stuff here and there, nothign special
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq347/Cheeks485/IMG00010Small.jpg
marcehboy
12-01-2008, 06:46 PM
this my 99 F250 crew cab long bed, 7.3 diesel auto trans, it used to pull my race cars and now its gonna pull my ranger. It has 33's and some little stuff here and there, nothign special
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq347/Cheeks485/IMG00010Small.jpg
One long A$$ bad A$$ truck!!!
Jim Oaks
12-04-2008, 01:55 PM
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1137&stc=1&d=1228420449
I wish I had this whole setup sitting in my driveway.
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1137&stc=1&d=1228420449
I wish I had this whole setup sitting in my driveway.
Yeah, I uh.... Wouldn't mind that. :icon_twisted:
Jim Oaks
12-04-2008, 05:05 PM
Imagine the looks on peoples faces if you showed up at some place like Attica and said you were there for the trail ride.
That needs an over-size load permit.
85_Ranger4x4
12-04-2008, 10:45 PM
That needs an over-size load permit.
They usually put on a smaller set of tires for transport.
racsan
12-05-2008, 12:24 AM
hell yeah! those monster trucks are almost too much weight for a 1 ton pickup though, aint they? still looks pretty cool.
BLOODBANE
12-05-2008, 08:57 AM
Getting going wouldn't be a problem Now stopping on the other hand...............
ItsA5Spd
12-05-2008, 08:09 PM
Nah, I think a truck like that weighs in at about 10k and the trailer is probably 4k empty, so that's 14k. I think the dually Super Duties of that year can tow 19k, so it should be able to handle it fairly well. As for stopping, I would bet that that trailer has electric brake, so it shouldn't be too bad. I have a 97 Ford F-350 Powerstroke that I tow 10k with and the trailer brakes keep everything in check.
ItsA5Spd
12-05-2008, 08:12 PM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=98075655&albumID=523892&imageID=26785376 here's the truck, but don't have a pic of it hooked to the dump trailer handy, so here it is.
mountainkowboy
12-05-2008, 11:56 PM
Thats it in the middle......97 Dodge CTD dually, just a bit wicked up, 375hp & 625tq. Holds 85 gallons of fuel and get 22 mpg empty, 15 mpg pullin 12,000 lbs. Dana 80 rear axle 26K gvwr trans and a 1200lb of tq ceramic clutch, its a towin BEAST!!:icon_thumby:
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x121/mountainkowboy/now018.jpg
93Ranger4x4
12-13-2008, 05:39 PM
Hrm, sounds like i need to snap some pics of my Skittle Truck lol. 01 f-350 xl 4x4 7.3 psd reg cab. Green cab and frontend.....white bed green tailgate :D I'll post some pics of it as soon as i get the pics.
93Ranger4x4
Randy M.
12-15-2008, 10:40 PM
Thats it in the middle......97 Dodge CTD dually, just a bit wicked up, 375hp & 625tq. Holds 85 gallons of fuel and get 22 mpg empty, 15 mpg pullin 12,000 lbs. Dana 80 rear axle 26K gvwr trans and a 1200lb of tq ceramic clutch, its a towin BEAST!!:icon_thumby:
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x121/mountainkowboy/now018.jpg
Nice truck...but i think your garage is missing somthing....like walls!!! :dunno:
Just bustin' your chops....
One of my kids would have fallen on the bolts and re-bar spikes by now and my wife would have busted a few tires too.
worstenemy453
12-17-2008, 02:19 PM
Thats it in the middle......97 Dodge CTD dually, just a bit wicked up, 375hp & 625tq. Holds 85 gallons of fuel and get 22 mpg empty, 15 mpg pullin 12,000 lbs. Dana 80 rear axle 26K gvwr trans and a 1200lb of tq ceramic clutch, its a towin BEAST!!:icon_thumby:
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x121/mountainkowboy/now018.jpg
details about truck and car on left and right of your towing beast
racsan
12-21-2008, 12:53 AM
for when i need "more power!" (and better brakes) then my ranger. '96 250 hp 351/E4OD the lincoln of tow rigs. '07 haulmark 6x10 trailer. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l241/racsan_2006/20081109_2.jpg
JohnnyO
12-22-2008, 04:09 PM
Moving my kids down here from NY last summer. Borrowed my bro-in-law's motorcycle trailer. Taken at a service plaza on the NY Thruway.
http://www.mysporttrac.com/~library/15563/TracWTrailer.JPG
Usually the only thing I tow is my jetski.
Flatbed, gooseneck hitch--I'm feeling it here.
Loanranger
12-29-2008, 01:51 AM
Well, I was towing with the 83 Bronco, 351w/c6 4wd, power everything....
Got this awhile back and it has been my new towrig/dd.
85 Chev suburban silverado package, 6.2 Diesel, Banks Sidewinder turbo kit w/3 inch straight pipe, 700r4 w/HD converter, np241 Tcase, 14bFF rear with Gov bomb, 8 lug 10 bolt up front open, 35s on 16s, 8" lift all spring.....
It tows my LJ around just fine, and towed home the new trailer for my dads ranger today.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/Dcdatsuns/100_0015.jpg
The Fox
01-04-2009, 12:40 AM
I will try and get pics when i get to the truck that is at my work. It is a 1958 M35 6x6 with a DD15 Detroit Diesel 14.8L. Nothing too fancy, just a stock truck with the 5spd replaced with a Eaton Super18 18spd(one of my big customers is Eaton in Costa mesa). This thing is powerful in 1st and low 6x6. The motor is rated at 1800ft/lbs, more then enough to move an 80,000lbs machine.
Nick
STANG3O2
01-05-2009, 10:45 PM
Towing my ol' New Yorker to the junk yard.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/KING%20RANCH/100_0222-1.jpg
Towing my freshly built Portable toilet trailer. Trailer is a new 12K PJ 22' deckover. Tank is a Satellite Industies MD400 (400gal) slide in unit. Taken out of our first portable toilet truck a 89' F350.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/Satellite%20trailer%20conversion/101_0181-1.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/Satellite%20trailer%20conversion/101_0177-1.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/Satellite%20trailer%20conversion/101_0159.jpg
And a T-bird on its way to a local college for donation friday after new years.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/KING%20RANCH/Picture224.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/KING%20RANCH/Picture221.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/KING%20RANCH/Picture223.jpg
I still yet to get some pics of my truck with my Canopy rental enclosed trailer. When I do I'll get some up.
KVD7360
01-06-2009, 01:36 PM
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335877_9861.jpg my truck
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335780_6211.jpg my work truck
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335829_372.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335830_6390.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_106253_9417.jpg
KVD7360
01-06-2009, 01:43 PM
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_312719_4579.jpg
rusty ol ranger
01-07-2009, 08:40 AM
I like it.
You would its got a shit.2L
sorry man, its been a while :icon_twisted:
later,
Dustin
racsan
01-07-2009, 11:46 AM
my trailer/dad's bronco. love the extra power and brakes, likes its fuel though. '96 351 / E4OD / 3.55's 70K original miles. http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l241/racsan_2006/20081109_1.jpg
WhiteRanger4x4
01-28-2009, 08:01 AM
Yea I do tow with it.:yahoo:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc7/WhiteRanger96/01-26-09004.jpg
jobar
01-28-2009, 11:30 AM
I think ive seen that ranger before when I was leaving walmart. The camper is what I remember. When I saw it I was trying to decide weather it was 2wd or 4wd.
WhiteRanger4x4
01-29-2009, 07:39 AM
I think ive seen that ranger before when I was leaving walmart. The camper is what I remember. When I saw it I was trying to decide weather it was 2wd or 4wd.
Could have been:dunno:.There a lot of then around mid Ga.,some 4X4, some 2x4 ,with/without the campers.
WNY964x4
01-29-2009, 07:29 PM
Did someone mention overkill? This is my previous Ranger on a towbar behind the Pete.
http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo133/erTwoTrackMind/peteDSCN0318.jpg
The Detroit Diesel pulled pretty good, hardly noticed the little bugger back there.
that is a Peterbilt 379 , IMO the greatest Semi of all time , especially when equipped with a Caterpillar C15 and an Eaton 18spd Roadranger
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335877_9861.jpg my truck
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335780_6211.jpg my work truck
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335829_372.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_1335830_6390.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_106253_9417.jpg
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/KVD7360/n556842392_312719_4579.jpg
nice trucks , the last one looks oddly familiar , and why do you have a pic of a monroe county sherriff's truck , nice sleds
koda6966
01-30-2009, 09:39 AM
Maybe he's the sheriff?
WNY964x4
02-01-2009, 09:54 AM
http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr257/Blue00Ranger/123.jpg
Our Tow Rig , 2000 F-150 7700 Payload Package , Snowplow Package , 75k original , hard miles , 5.4 Triton , Auto , 3.73 L/S rear
MagnaV30
02-02-2009, 05:59 AM
Thought I would get in on the Overkill crowd going on in here.
Just my worktruck with a fairly standard load.
I know she is dirty as hell, but not much point washing at this time of year.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/MagnaV30/109andNAN07.jpg
Ill post pics of my Ranger with the matching custom built trailer when I make the final mods to the trailer...
The reach is waaaayyyy to short, its like pushing a freaking rope in reverse.
STANG3O2
02-02-2009, 03:03 PM
Got some better pics this weekend. This is my weekend gig and keeps me busy as heck in the summer. As it warmed up into the fourties I decided to grab the heat gun and start removing decals off the trailer from the previous owner.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/OSCEOLA%20PARTY%20RENTAL/misc_truck/000_0030.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/OSCEOLA%20PARTY%20RENTAL/misc_truck/000_0031-1.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g303/FOCUS_ST/OSCEOLA%20PARTY%20RENTAL/misc_truck/101_0359-1.jpg
dgndngrngr
02-02-2009, 05:08 PM
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll188/backinblack98/001.jpg
choped84
02-03-2009, 11:29 PM
1977 dodge power wagon
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/oregonmudder/powerwagon065.jpg
1985 f-250 6.9 diesel
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/oregonmudder/other%20stuff/stuff3464026.jpg
my sisters
2002 f-250 powerstroke diesel
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/oregonmudder/other%20stuff/l_3195f6fa7c9c99ac36ab885128e90026.jpg
NapalmMan67
02-04-2009, 09:59 AM
'01 F250 SD. 6" SJ lift, 36" Dirt Gripz. Nothing really fancy... oh yeah, less than 33,000 miles on it and I bought it new! :icon_thumby:
http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr210/NapalmMan67/Sunset1.jpg
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93Ranger4x4
02-10-2009, 11:18 PM
Hrm, gonna have to get the camera out and post some pics, getting ready to install some brand used rims and tires i got off a buddy of mine, 16x10's with 35x12.50 Super swamper TSLs, stock f-350, had one front wheel on a while back but didnt have the lugnuts needed to install the wheel but my truck appeared to have just as much room in the fender wells with them as my friends 03 f250 6 liter with a 4 inch lift. ;crosses fingers; If not i'll just throw my 305 mtzs on the wheels and find some 16" rims for the ranger and throw the 35s on there, i know i can run 36's on it no prob.
93ranger4x4
ziptie
02-18-2009, 12:09 PM
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v322/122/36/500208563/n500208563_851228_719.jpg
Here is my tow rig, 04 f150 programmer/exhaust/intake. I pull my ranger on my 18' car hauler.
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v256/122/36/500208563/s500208563_605902_638.jpg
This is just a cool load that i hauled for work. 07 Kenworth T800 with 55' lowboy.
JohnnyU
02-28-2009, 06:33 PM
Picture from today:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j47/Junes84/IMG_1661.jpg
Looks like I got a little carried away with the "warp" tool when I was editing that picture....
Looks like you twisted up some branches up there. Trying to keep us from seeing what kind of tree it is?
JohnnyU
02-28-2009, 07:01 PM
Super-Secret new species. Money Tree - U.S. Dollar sub-species....:icon_rofl:
We don't need money trees. Obama's going to print it.
Deamers87ford
03-01-2009, 06:32 PM
this is my dads truck we used to tow home my latest project and how we get the atv to the cabin or whatever else we need it for http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo47/deamers87/Picture034.jpghttp://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo47/deamers87/Picture112.jpg
midget
03-03-2009, 03:32 PM
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu304/evilmidget/Picture004.jpg This bad boy tows my ranger lol. Its not a speed demon loaded but it does the job. Ill snag some pictures of the big rig at work later after I get it washed and polished. I drive prolly the one and only cement Mixer truck youll see with polished tanks and bumpers lol Its an 07 Mack Granite with a tm308 8 speed trans 325 hp and around 1000lbft of torque if I remember right. Occasionally I drive a Kenworth w900 Dump truck and pup 425hp cummins and 13 speed grosses out at 95,000 legal gotta love cheater axles.
midget
03-09-2009, 03:27 AM
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu304/evilmidget/Picture018.jpg
Proof my Xterra does the job lol
260hp, 280ft# 4.0 V6?
#1, I'm sure it does great pulling that and
#2, Where is Ford's?
midget
03-11-2009, 03:54 AM
?? I hope your not talking about my truck...
koda6966
03-11-2009, 05:46 AM
?? I hope your not talking about my truck...
I think the 0something + Nissan Xterra's all came equipped with 4.0's, so yes..
rusty ol ranger
03-11-2009, 08:15 AM
To bad its all at 5000RPM.
later,
Dustin
To bad its all at 5000RPM.
later,
Dustin
It probably only pulls 230ft# at 1,000rpm.
?? I hope your not talking about my truck...
Explain that.
midget
03-22-2009, 03:05 PM
Explain that.
My nissan has a 3.3 v6 the 4.0 didnt come in till the 2nd gen the 3.3 only has about 120hp to the rear wheels lol its a pooch but good lil truck. Hell even the Supercharged version of the 3.3 in the first gen Xterra only put out about another 30-40hp and they had twice the problems.
My work truck shes dirty as hell I havent had time to polish it lately or acid it.
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu304/evilmidget/murr-1.jpg
adkins112
03-25-2009, 12:58 AM
2002 f-250 7.3L diesel ts chip, built auto, ball bearing turbo, 5" exhaust, afe intake, 35" mickey thompsons
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2052/85/53/1430130007/n1430130007_209241_9058.jpg
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2052/85/53/1430130007/n1430130007_209215_8877.jpg
My nissan has a 3.3 v6 the 4.0 didnt come in till the 2nd gen
Ahhh...
I guess it would be slow then.
I can't keep Gen's apart. We have a '93 Pathfinder in the family--been passed around like the village bike. My dad has had it for several years because it's their only 4x4 up there in northern Iowa and my mom uses it in the winter to do visitations--she's a Lutheran minister. I towed things with it and it was fine--as long as you keep the tach at 4,000rpm.
midget
03-26-2009, 09:57 PM
Ahhh...
I guess it would be slow then.
I can't keep Gen's apart. We have a '93 Pathfinder in the family--been passed around like the village bike. My dad has had it for several years because it's their only 4x4 up there in northern Iowa and my mom uses it in the winter to do visitations--she's a Lutheran minister. I towed things with it and it was fine--as long as you keep the tach at 4,000rpm.
Actually its kinda the opposite problem its geard right so it shoots to 50 pretty quick but 60mph is a struggle b/c ts at 3200 rpm with OD off and if I turn the Od on it just bounces on an off of it and thats not good for the trans 70mph straiht and true down the interstate is fine though.
Yeah, stuck between gears is the age-old problem. Our Pathfinder with it's 4-link rear would lift the rear end up with a trailer on it and actually spin a tire when taking off hard from a stop. It was very annoying.
jaymegriffiths
08-30-2009, 02:39 PM
The question was how can you afford to daily drive it. I drive 1,000 miles a month. If I had a 14mpg vehicle (which that isn't in town) I would pay $3,000/year in gas. I stopped daily driving my full-size and got the 39mpg Honda which would save me $1,900/year over a 14mpg truck--and probably well over $2,000 year if I drove yours. I drive my full-size about once a week now--and on trips when I have to haul shit across the country. The little car will have paid for itself by about New Years.
some friends of my family's all drive new duramaxes, and this year all 4 boys (1 dad and 3 sons) admitted to paying over $15000 in fuel EACH. NO TYPO. thats how you know you have too much ,money.
JohnnyU
08-30-2009, 07:51 PM
some friends of my family's all drive new duramaxes, and this year all 4 boys (1 dad and 3 sons) admitted to paying over $15000 in fuel EACH. NO TYPO. thats how you know you have too much ,money.
Seriously? I haven't even spent $1,200 on fuel this year, and that's through about 500 gallons of fuel, and around 8,000 miles. To spend that much money, figuring the average cost of diesel in the last year was $2.41, that means they'd have to have burned over 6200 gallons of diesel. Figure 14mpg average, that'd mean they drove 87,100 miles EACH.
I would really question these folks' credibility.
85DANGERanger
08-30-2009, 10:30 PM
heres my tow rig..all 532hp and 1025ft lbs of it!!
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp50/robert1988_2008/AC2CFC6.jpg
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp50/robert1988_2008/5540_235589685499_506810499_7818205.jpg
85DANGERanger
08-30-2009, 10:53 PM
Seriously? I haven't even spent $1,200 on fuel this year, and that's through about 500 gallons of fuel, and around 8,000 miles. To spend that much money, figuring the average cost of diesel in the last year was $2.41, that means they'd have to have burned over 6200 gallons of diesel. Figure 14mpg average, that'd mean they drove 87,100 miles EACH.
I would really question these folks' credibility.
id agree, these new diesels out now adays with the DPF get HORRIBLE fuel milage, specially when there brand new and dont have any miles on them. i drove my company truck,, 08' ford f350 powerstroke 6.4 from indianapolis to tuscan, arizonia and averaged 6.5 mpg pulling a tandem axle inclosed with about 8k pounds in it.. the emissions crap is killing the new diesels fuel milage. in my 04; chevy duramax i get between 18-22 mpg
ranger_mclaren
08-31-2009, 09:06 AM
heres my tow rig..all 532hp and 1025ft lbs of it!!
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp50/robert1988_2008/AC2CFC6.jpg
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp50/robert1988_2008/5540_235589685499_506810499_7818205.jpg
Ever brake the tierods or axle shafts on that while pulling the sleds? Chevys and GMCs are infomaus for blowing out the front ends while pulling sleds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJR0IqqKkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxoAbEVqD9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfauOXbqKLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PmoCSqRaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT6Lqj-_eSo
choped84
09-21-2009, 11:02 AM
1983 f-250, 7.3 diesel, ats turbo, 4'' turbo back exhaust into 5" stacks,
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/oregonmudder/8-9-09083.jpg
Jason
09-21-2009, 08:24 PM
id agree, these new diesels out now adays with the DPF get HORRIBLE fuel milage, specially when there brand new and dont have any miles on them. i drove my company truck,, 08' ford f350 powerstroke 6.4 from indianapolis to tuscan, arizonia and averaged 6.5 mpg pulling a tandem axle inclosed with about 8k pounds in it.. the emissions crap is killing the new diesels fuel milage. in my 04; chevy duramax i get between 18-22 mpg
The lack of desire from the manufacturer to develop better engines is killing mileage. My one work truck, powered with a Volvo D13, is a 485 hp 6 cyl diesel and it gets that mileage pulling at 107k pounds total. Why can Volvo get that mileage while our Macks get 4 or so with the same Eaton-Fuller 10 spd?
85_Ranger4x4
09-21-2009, 10:54 PM
The lack of desire from the manufacturer to develop better engines is killing mileage. My one work truck, powered with a Volvo D13, is a 485 hp 6 cyl diesel and it gets that mileage pulling at 107k pounds total. Why can Volvo get that mileage while our Macks get 4 or so with the same Eaton-Fuller 10 spd?
Different emissions standards. In their defence, I have never heard of a Powerstroke get THAT bad of milage. It is usually about twice that, which isn't all that great either.
Ford is ditching the Navistar diesel in the near future anyway.
85DANGERanger
09-21-2009, 11:03 PM
Ever brake the tierods or axle shafts on that while pulling the sleds? Chevys and GMCs are infomaus for blowing out the front ends while pulling sleds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJR0IqqKkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxoAbEVqD9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfauOXbqKLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_PmoCSqRaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT6Lqj-_eSo
yes, they will break if you dont inforce them, $90 set of sleeves fixes the tierod breaking problems and lowering the torsion bars will prevent the half shafts from breaking, but i rarely see halfshafts break, only on lifted trucks with a lot of angle on there shafts. alot of the guys dont know what there doin and built up there truck and forget about the front end, yes, IFS sucks but it doesnt take much to bulletproof them..
Jason
09-22-2009, 06:06 AM
Different emissions standards. In their defence, I have never heard of a Powerstroke get THAT bad of milage. It is usually about twice that, which isn't all that great either.
Ford is ditching the Navistar diesel in the near future anyway.
The 2010 HD truck standards are very strict. Not much different than those on diesel light-duty trucks.
85_Ranger4x4
09-22-2009, 08:59 AM
The 2010 HD truck standards are very strict. Not much different than those on diesel light-duty trucks.
Like I alluded to before, that isn't typical milage for a 6.4 anyway. They usually get at least twice that.
Jason
09-22-2009, 06:06 PM
Like I alluded to before, that isn't typical milage for a 6.4 anyway. They usually get at least twice that.
I know. I was responding more to the people that complain how emissions ruin mileage. The Macks and Volvos at my terminal are all on the same standards.
Blue 88
11-04-2009, 06:54 PM
Cant figure out how to post pics but here is a lil video of my "TOW PIG"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF8Y7wLmST8
036speed
11-29-2009, 09:05 PM
The Tow Rig and sometimes the DD. Currently the DD
'03 F250 (with 350 Springs) 7.3L Diesel 6spd. 35s.
The usual: Turbo, Banks Intercooler, 4" stright pipe, DP Tuner, Stealth HPOP, Southbend Clutch, Intake...
Just need fuel system and injectors :D
I love this truck. It replaced my duramax. I found out i am a ford guy. but i gave the GM a try
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/muddinford95/F-250/july409JS121.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/muddinford95/F-250/Lucyshine019.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/muddinford95/F-250/worktaylor005.jpg
Winter Tires and Wheels (285s/75/16s)
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o307/muddinford95/F-250/BlkWheels007.jpg
What she sounds like...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfdWFPGAZE
And i drive 28-32k miles a yr. Fuel costs wont stop me from drivin the trucks!
BigJohn76
12-11-2009, 08:30 PM
83 F-250 "Frampton"
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/henry76/0014.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/henry76/0034.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/henry76/0054.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo321/henry76/0073.jpg
Diesel_brad
12-13-2009, 07:46 AM
00 superduty, 7.3 6spd TS chip,CAI, 3.5"DP 5" bullhaulers http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=106588604&albumID=1217534&imageID=13582378
Jason
12-13-2009, 08:29 AM
Two of many "tow" rigs I drive now.
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs021.snc3/10842_1306538223900_1243862459_30900644_1761864_n. jpg
http://hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net/hs227.snc1/7433_1275939578953_1243862459_30817267_5556627_n.j pg
jaymegriffiths
12-13-2009, 06:48 PM
Seriously? I haven't even spent $1,200 on fuel this year, and that's through about 500 gallons of fuel, and around 8,000 miles. To spend that much money, figuring the average cost of diesel in the last year was $2.41, that means they'd have to have burned over 6200 gallons of diesel. Figure 14mpg average, that'd mean they drove 87,100 miles EACH.
I would really question these folks' credibility.
they each make well over 100 grand a year tho...
and trust me their durms are not fuel effeciant at all but they are very fast and good offroad.
one of them is on one of my build threads. first pic. and 80,000km is probably a low estimate. and their trucks get more like 8-12. all are jacked up. plus, the one brother, was owed for 2 months of work(they are family owned and operated pole building framers) and i watched his mom write a check for 57 grand. and i helped his dad spant 60 grand on ritchie bros buyin zoom booms from arizona i think... some southern state.
his bank balance is always 100g's +
truck of 1:
http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss32/jaymegriffiths/rangerothers4032.jpg
those are 40s and that truck is still funtionally a 4wd. no fag 2wd lifts. or gas milage haha
both his bros are runnin 37's and his dad has stock wheels and tires on his dually but he puts on over 250,000 km a year in that truck. its an 07 he bought in 08 and it has 270,000 km. and he has taken it hunting. haha that was funny.
Why is it that everyone in the military talks about fighting for our freedoms. Unless you were in the military in the early 1940's, you simply fought for US interests.
That is about the most uninformed statement I have ever heard. Would you like to break it dwon war by war with me?
During WW2 Churchill was constantly worried about the prospect of the Soviet Union not returning territories it was liberating from Nazi Germany to their rightful owners. Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine...the list is extremely long. I have Bulgarian friends my age that were raised in Communist Bulgaria. They are both PhDs working at Ford right now--because communism collapsed and their freedom was restored.
Korea and Vietnam were both fought to contain communism. Neither country had a single resource of other interest for us. They were fought to contain communism. 90,000 Americans perished in those two wars. You cannot expect a western type of victory--but both of those wars did prove to be victories in the grand scheme. They demonstrated to the Soviets that they could not win a conventional war. They distracted the Soviets from becoming an economic power--and that fact led to their eventual collapse, less than 20 years after the end of the Vietnam War. That's a spit in a bucket--it's been over 19 years since I went to Iraq the first time.
China has learned the lesson that the Soviets did not--military power is second to economic power. China has, since the Vietnam War, focused primarily on her economic strength. China owns most of our national debt in fact. We hate each others guts, but are tied together by the US debt.
Moving forward, the Middle East wars look like simple oil wars, but they are not. The fact is, those countries NEED to sell their oil to survive. Oil has almost nothing to do with it. They cannot NOT sell their oil to us, anymore than we can cannot BUY it from them. In fact, it's worse for them. We DO have other options. They know this. If they were to get stubborn enough, they would make the other options economically viable and cut their own throat. It's simple economics. They wield no power with their oil because selling it is necessary for their own survival--and they are in debt inspite of their oil.
The interesting thing about these two conflicts--Iraq and A-stan, is that Obama is elected and suddenly no longer talking about pulling out. He took office, suddenly was confronted with the real facts and is quadripoling the forces in A-stan. A-stan means absolutely nothing to American interests unless you are interested in importing opium. What it is--it's the hathery of the new world threat--terrorists. I don't have to tell you the damage that will be caused if this threat isn't addressed. It took a few guys with box cutters to wipe out the World Trade Center. It hasn't happened since because those guys you sneer at are actually out there protecting us. There is no comfortable spots for terrorists--our guys are chasing them with every means available to keep us safe. They are doing it 8,000 miles away. That's better than the firefighters and EMTs cleaning it up right here.
Every morning that you wake up and don't read about several hundered Americans dying in a stadium or building or on a bridge or whatever--it's because Americans wearing camoflauge utilities and carrying rifles are stalking out the caves and hiding places of the assholes trying to plan, and praying for, our demise. Those assholes have gone from living in condos and convincing ignorant young aimless youths to give their lives for a distorted and immoral enterprise, to living in caves like hunted rats. 8 years and no repeats--that safety was bought by the human lives of the people you spurn.
America, since the Spanish American War, has always gone to war with the noblest of intentions. It has to be, because it ALWAYS requires congresses approval. Congress always has the power to do anything they want. They have to be convinced that a war is necessary for it to continue. YOU don't have to be convinced though. But you might be if you studied on it. If you were forced to vote on it, and someone on your staff delivered the facts to you, you would have a different opinion.
Myself--I consider your signature to be completely uninformed and out of line and I am asking you to remove it.
Jason
12-14-2009, 04:48 PM
That is about the most uninformed statement I have ever heard. Would you like to break it dwon war by war with me?
During WW2 Churchill was constantly worried about the prospect of the Soviet Union not returning territories it was liberating from Nazi Germany to their rightful owners. Estonia, Lithuania, Ukraine...the list is extremely long. I have Bulgarian friends my age that were raised in Communist Bulgaria. They are both PhDs working at Ford right now--because communism collapsed and their freedom was restored.
Korea and Vietnam were both fought to contain communism. Neither country had a single resource of other interest for us. They were fought to contain communism. 90,000 Americans perished in those two wars. You cannot expect a western type of victory--but both of those wars did prove to be victories in the grand scheme. They demonstrated to the Soviets that they could not win a conventional war. They distracted the Soviets from becoming an economic power--and that fact led to their eventual collapse, less than 20 years after the end of the Vietnam War. That's a spit in a bucket--it's been over 19 years since I went to Iraq the first time.
China has learned the lesson that the Soviets did not--military power is second to economic power. China has, since the Vietnam War, focused primarily on her economic strength. China owns most of our national debt in fact. We hate each others guts, but are tied together by the US debt.
Moving forward, the Middle East wars look like simple oil wars, but they are not. The fact is, those countries NEED to sell their oil to survive. Oil has almost nothing to do with it. They cannot NOT sell their oil to us, anymore than we can cannot BUY it from them. In fact, it's worse for them. We DO have other options. They know this. If they were to get stubborn enough, they would make the other options economically viable and cut their own throat. It's simple economics. They wield no power with their oil because selling it is necessary for their own survival--and they are in debt inspite of their oil.
The interesting thing about these two conflicts--Iraq and A-stan, is that Obama is elected and suddenly no longer talking about pulling out. He took office, suddenly was confronted with the real facts and is quadripoling the forces in A-stan. A-stan means absolutely nothing to American interests unless you are interested in importing opium. What it is--it's the hathery of the new world threat--terrorists. I don't have to tell you the damage that will be caused if this threat isn't addressed. It took a few guys with box cutters to wipe out the World Trade Center. It hasn't happened since because those guys you sneer at are actually out there protecting us. There is no comfortable spots for terrorists--our guys are chasing them with every means available to keep us safe. They are doing it 8,000 miles away. That's better than the firefighters and EMTs cleaning it up right here.
Every morning that you wake up and don't read about several hundered Americans dying in a stadium or building or on a bridge or whatever--it's because Americans wearing camoflauge utilities and carrying rifles are stalking out the caves and hiding places of the assholes trying to plan, and praying for, our demise. Those assholes have gone from living in condos and convincing ignorant young aimless youths to give their lives for a distorted and immoral enterprise, to living in caves like hunted rats. 8 years and no repeats--that safety was bought by the human lives of the people you spurn.
America, since the Spanish American War, has always gone to war with the noblest of intentions. It has to be, because it ALWAYS requires congresses approval. Congress always has the power to do anything they want. They have to be convinced that a war is necessary for it to continue. YOU don't have to be convinced though. But you might be if you studied on it. If you were forced to vote on it, and someone on your staff delivered the facts to you, you would have a different opinion.
Myself--I consider your signature to be completely uninformed and out of line and I am asking you to remove it.
Communism was not a threat to the US. It was an interest of the US government to contain it. This country has not been attacked by a military since Pearl Harbor.
Jason
12-14-2009, 05:03 PM
And in case you are concerned, I am the guy I am "sneering " at. 25B
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12-27-2009, 03:48 PM
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