Ranger 7.5" 4.56's install

[mhughes165]

okay....im tryin to figure out what is suggested when installing 4.56's into a 7.5, i have always had to make a small notch on the backside of the RG to fit the pin in it, the reason for doing this is simply the fact that the R&P do not fail usually on the 7.5, it is usually the pin or a spider gear, would u suggest instead notching a already weak pin to fit in the carrier....or instead notching the ring gear to clear.....

just a question in referance to the 7.5" rear i had sold...i notched the ring gear and am told now that doing it that way is incorrect...

[Hahnsb2]

Notch the gear, tons of people do it, I did it, the pinion doesn't contact the notched area anyways (well assuming the gears are set up properly it wont contact).

[mhughes165]

thats what i thought.....

keep the opinions coming, the more the better....

[Evan]

thats what i thought.....

keep the opinions coming, the more the better....


Notch the gear. That's the best way to go. I have the 5.13s in my 8.8 notched and it works great.

[mhughes165]

what some people dont realize when they take there rears to get setup by professionals, lots of times there is no way todo it without notching the ring gear, simple as that

[MAKG]

As for the R&P not failing, I'd be a bit concerned about that with a 7.5 and 4.56 gears. The pinion starts to get TINY at ratios like that (though the ring gear is quite large). It's not such an issue on 8.8s.

Are you sure the axleshafts can handle the torque you'll be sending to them? That's 20-40% over stock. No 7.5 came with 4.56s from the factory. Torque at the axles is multiplied by the gear ratio.

[mhughes165]

As for the R&P not failing, I'd be a bit concerned about that with a 7.5 and 4.56 gears. The pinion starts to get TINY at ratios like that (though the ring gear is quite large). It's not such an issue on 8.8s.

Are you sure the axleshafts can handle the torque you'll be sending to them? That's 20-40% over stock. No 7.5 came with 4.56s from the factory. Torque at the axles is multiplied by the gear ratio.


it was 1 in a truck on 32's, and will be going into a 4 banger street ranger, i dont think the worry would be about the axles in this application

im just making sure i had done the proper thing with notching the ring ringer to get the cross pin in

[Evan]

As for the R&P not failing, I'd be a bit concerned about that with a 7.5 and 4.56 gears. The pinion starts to get TINY at ratios like that (though the ring gear is quite large). It's not such an issue on 8.8s.

Are you sure the axleshafts can handle the torque you'll be sending to them? That's 20-40% over stock. No 7.5 came with 4.56s from the factory. Torque at the axles is multiplied by the gear ratio.


I think he should be fine, even with a locker, as long as he doesn't exceed a 33" tire size. The weakest link on a 7.5 is generally the spider gears; you'll toast those before a pinion gear.

True, the gear is small, but still plenty strong enough. My 5.13 pinion gear in my 8.8 is about the same size, and the 5.13 in my Dana 35 is smaller...although the front axle sees less load generally.

[mhughes165]

I think he should be fine, even with a locker, as long as he doesn't exceed a 33" tire size. The weakest link on a 7.5 is generally the spider gears; you'll toast those before a pinion gear.

True, the gear is small, but still plenty strong enough. My 5.13 pinion gear in my 8.8 is about the same size, and the 5.13 in my Dana 35 is smaller...although the front axle sees less load generally.


it was suggested that i shoulda notched a already weak cross pin instead of notching the ring gear

[89_Black_Beast]

Hey mike... I'm reading responses too... Not trying to prove you wrong just tryin to learn. I never setup non oem gears in a 7.5 only stockers. With my 8.8 and a buddies I notched the c/p.

I'm the guy who bought the rear for a street banger. I was always told to never ever touch a ring gear. Even the smallest nick or notch could make the gears sing and hum. I always notched the c/p. Just my .02 Like to hear opinions also.

Thanks

[mhughes165]

Hey mike... I'm reading responses too... Not trying to prove you wrong just tryin to learn. I never setup non oem gears in a 7.5 only stockers. With my 8.8 and a buddies I notched the c/p.

I'm the guy who bought the rear for a street banger. I was always told to never ever touch a ring gear. Even the smallest nick or notch could make the gears sing and hum. I always notched the c/p. Just my .02 Like to hear opinions also.

Thanks

the part where i notched the ring gear doesnt rid on the pinion area, and there are actually many rears u have to notch the ringgear on the inside edge for it to clear

and ive seen rears that get the covered pulled just for regualr maintence to discover teeth missing in the on the RG that never made a sound, my buddys 85blankstar is a example of this, his never hummed or sung, just everyonce and a while would hear a slight pop when goin around a corner, we pulled the cover and low and behold the RG is ****ED, u can ask alland about this one too, this was my buddys bII, he talked to allan about it quite a bit and had allan setup his rear for him after they found it at a local yard

but ya, u never notch the CP on a 7.5 cause that along with the spiders is what is prone to failure, which is why usually a spool or locker that eliminates the spiders in the back usually make for a very stout rear

[mhughes165]

alright, heres the video that he had taken to try and show me that this rear is bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnBSbztlGSI

at first where u can see the rear is the rear from his truck, the second where u cant see the rear is the one that i sold. listen to the 38 second mark very closely, now im not tryin to start anything with anyone, but that sounds like the distinct sound of a turbo blowoff when u let off the gas.

im just lookin for input as when the previous owner of this rear ran it he had no issues with any whining sounds, it was pulled from the truck with (after i got in contact with the PO earlier today) not even 50 miles on the rear. im not trying to hose anyone over here or pass off a rear that i know to be bad because those that have dealt with me on here know that.



i recieved notice that the rear was whining today, after he cleaned it up ran fluid it through it 3 times before he found the time to message me on here.....

[4x4junkie]

Very hard to tell from that... It does sound like gear whine from the beginning, but at the end on the road (from inside) what I hear seems too low-pitched to be R&P whine at the speed it looks he's going.

Whatever it is, it's NOT because of notching the gear, if that were the case, it'd make a chunking or clicking sound with each wheel rotation, not a whine.

[bottledgt]

notching aint gonna cause a whine. hell it probably wont even get close to contacting anything. you could carve neat designs all around it if you wanted and it wouldnt mater

[mhughes165]

apparently, in the first section of video where u can see the chrome diff cover that is his other ranger with a 7.5 in it, i guess he had that video for comparison or something, and the second one where u cant see anything is supposed to be the rear i sold him in the street ranger (lowered 2wd greenish) that he has driven out to pickup the rear, what i dont understand is why he didnt take both videos from the same truck, if i had a issue id have evidence from the same vehicle not a different truck.....

[rngrdngr]

when i put the 4.56 in my 7.5 rearend i bought the pin with the cut out and in 1 month i snapped it.i did it again with the stock pin and grinded down a small amount off the gears and it lasted good.i run 33s and its been 6 monthes with no problem. just make sure when u sett up the pinion there is 20 in lbs of resistance without the ring an diff. in place. good luck.

[Bent Bolt]

alright, heres the video that he had taken to try and show me that this rear is bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnBSbztlGSI



Sounds very much like bad pinion bearings.

[89_Black_Beast]

The first part of the video is a 8.8 not a 7.5 its also setup correctly and has no whine or problems. There is no turbo blow off its the truck shutting off. Its a 4.0 with headers and exhasut...thats it, no turbo. The second truck is the one with the pile of shit rear that Mike here sold me. It had "200 miles on a full rebuild, all bearings and seals" The rear fluid was dark and metalic. I plulled the axels out and there was not only metal shavings in the axle tubes but chunks of metal. How does that get there on a rear that was just rebuilt by a "pofessional"????? This rear hums like a son of a B&%CH too!!!! If you really can't tell by that vid then make another cause this rear ain't right. Actually this rear is a pile of shit!!!!!!!!!!!

I took a vid of both trucks to show what it should sound like and what it shouldn't sound like. Watch and listen to the vid at 1:38. That is what this "freshly rebuilt rear" sounds like when I drive. Its like someone is next to me howling in my ear. Its f'n annoying and it makes me angry. The truck didn't do it with the old rear.... Mike you know what that rear oil looked like when I pulled the plug and it spilled on my tailgate. It was black with metalic glitter. Thats why we settled on a lower price. You said only 50 miles on it when you gave it to me...yea right. I wish you weren't a liar. So if there was only 50 miles on it, did you reuse the old oil??? There is no way oil will turn that color and get all that metal in it in 50 miles!!!! Let alone all the metal in the axle tubes.

[mhughes165]

The first part of the video is a 8.8 not a 7.5 its also setup correctly and has no whine or problems. There is no turbo blow off its the truck shutting off. Its a 4.0 with headers and exhasut...thats it, no turbo. The second truck is the one with the pile of shit rear that Mike here sold me. It had "200 miles on a full rebuild, all bearings and seals" The rear fluid was dark and metalic. I plulled the axels out and there was not only metal shavings in the axle tubes but chunks of metal. How does that get there on a rear that was just rebuilt by a "pofessional"????? This rear hums like a son of a B&%CH too!!!! If you really can't tell by that vid then make another cause this rear ain't right. Actually this rear is a pile of shit!!!!!!!!!!!

I took a vid of both trucks to show what it should sound like and what it shouldn't sound like. Watch and listen to the vid at 1:38. That is what this "freshly rebuilt rear" sounds like when I drive. Its like someone is next to me howling in my ear. Its f'n annoying and it makes me angry. The truck didn't do it with the old rear.... Mike you know what that rear oil looked like when I pulled the plug and it spilled on my tailgate. It was black with metalic glitter. Thats why we settled on a lower price. You said only 50 miles on it when you gave it to me...yea right. I wish you weren't a liar. So if there was only 50 miles on it, did you reuse the old oil??? There is no way oil will turn that color and get all that metal in it in 50 miles!!!! Let alone all the metal in the axle tubes.

what he doesnt tell u is that i offered him a full refund on it but he refused to bring the rear back to me, i was going to run it in my buddys ranger since i know its fine, or atleast it was when it was sold. HOWEVER he refused to bring it back out here and demanded i come out there to pickup the rear, since he was not willing to bring the part back to the store so to speak i am washing my hands of this.....

also, if u were able to take a video of what u claim was my rear, im rather surprised that when u pulled the rear apart and found metal in the tubes that u wouldnt have taken pictures???

that being said this thread is dead

[bottledgt]

hmm. wonder if it had a reused crush sleeve...lol. just pull the cover off and look at it and post pics. if theres that much shit in the oil there has to be some kind of carnage to see

[89_Black_Beast]

I didn't wanna bring it back to you... Why should I??? you didn't sell me what you said it was. I wasted enough time and gas money goin to pick it up let alone waste more time and money to dropping it back off. I save myself 40 bucks in gas and buy myself a overhual kit for 60 and cut my losses.

Mike you know what that rear fluid looked like so stop the bs on how it was a perfect rear when you sold it to me...

How do you post pics in here???

[bottledgt]

photobucket will work

[Evan]

what he doesnt tell u is that i offered him a full refund on it but he refused to bring the rear back to me, i was going to run it in my buddys ranger since i know its fine, or atleast it was when it was sold. HOWEVER he refused to bring it back out here and demanded i come out there to pickup the rear, since he was not willing to bring the part back to the store so to speak i am washing my hands of this.....

also, if u were able to take a video of what u claim was my rear, im rather surprised that when u pulled the rear apart and found metal in the tubes that u wouldnt have taken pictures???

that being said this thread is dead


So were there 50 miles on it or more than that?

[Evan]

hmm. wonder if it had a reused crush sleeve...lol. just pull the cover off and look at it and post pics. if theres that much shit in the oil there has to be some kind of carnage to see


:icon_rofl: :icon_cheers:

[89_Black_Beast]

I'll take another video of the truck in daylight show you that its my truck with your rear with the spots that I welded and ground from the axle wrap. I'll show you the old backing plates I took off your rear and show you my old rear sitting on jack stands with no backing plates and brakes. Would that satisfy you and make you believe your rear is in my truck????

[mhughes165]

So were there 50 miles on it or more than that?


i told him there were 200 miles on it, upon speakin to the previous owner of the rear who it had been built for he told me he only drove 50 miles with it in the truck, id like to know why it took till now for u to mention any sort of metal chunks in the axle tube,

u paid 160 for the rear, if by some chance something is out of alingment an u know how todo rears then adjust the rear or put the r&p in ur truck and be done with it, it shouldnt be a problem to fix for someone who apparently setup a few 8.8's......

[89_Black_Beast]

Its not the fact that I can do it. Its the fact that you lied to me and didn't sell me what your "store" was selling!!! Why should I have to fix a rear that was "freshly rebuilt all bearings and seals less than 200 miles." If you lived closer I would have brought it back. You live to far. I already came and picked it up which would be fine if you would have sold me what you talked it up to be. Instead you sold me a piece of junk. So why don't you make it right and come pick it up. Easy as that!!! I told you a while ago in a pm that there was metal in the axle tubes so stop the bs of makin me look like the ass. I work from 6-3 and coach baseball from 3:30 - 7:30 and I don't have a garage. I work on my truck whenever I can. I got enough other shit that all this bs wasn't on the top of my list of things to do. Thats why it took me a while to get back to you about this pile. You saw the dark color of the fluid, the metallic in it and the cone of metal shavings stuck to the plug!!! You were standing right next to me!!!!

[89_Black_Beast]

All the shinny speckles are metal. All my rags look like that. The first pic is the first rag I pushed through the axle tube!!!

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm62/TheBrantsParty/P42328032.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm62/TheBrantsParty/P42728172.jpg

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm62/TheBrantsParty/P42728202.jpg

[mhughes165]

this is what u sent me on thursday, personally i know there was some shit on the plug and the fluid was dirty, but it woulda been fine with fresh fluid(since thats something anyone that puts a rear into a truck does), i TOLD u that the previous owner grenaded a couple sets of spiders in it himself before, and that thats prolly where there was some shit left in it, but it boils dow to the fact, that if u was told first off BEFORE U PUT IT IN THE TRUCK that there was metal chunks in the tube like u say, then id be mroe willing to work with it, but u didnt say anything about metal chunks until thursday

and also, how would u see metal chunks in the tube, explain that one, u would ahve had to remove the bearings and seals to look down in there, pretty much dissassembl of the complete rear, once again, if u had told me when u went to swap ur breaks over that there were metal in the tube(however u could see it) then we wouldnt ahve a problem
Yea well I'm not bringing this pile of shit back to you it's a waste of time and lots of gas money. I already wasted to much time and money. Also I pulled the axles out of the rear and the axle tubes are filled with not only metal shavings but chunks of ****ing metal :pissedoff:. If this was rebuilt 200 miles ago where did all this metal come from??? Unless some ****in leprechaun dumped metal chunks and shavings in there but I doubt it. You might have put in new bearings and have the paper work and blah blah blah but you never cleaned it. By not cleaning it you ****ed it all up again. The bearings are pitted and prolly shot the spider gears are pitted. Non the less the ****in rear humms like a son of a bitch. Your a hack and sold me a pos rear. I guess thats why you don't work at the place you used to... when you supposedly proffesionally set up the rear.

I'm cutting my losses and learning from mistakes
I'm done with this I don't have time for this bullshit



that rear was rebuilt less then 200 miles ago and i have the paperwork from the purchase of the parts to prove it, it does have all new bearing and seals and i wont think twice about puttin it into another truck. there aint much i can do right now togo anywhere, when ur on ur way to OC then u can stop on the way, but i aint got no way to get around anywhere. the only way i can do anything is if u bring the rear to me, and ill give the money back

you may not be a delivery service but you sure lied to me about this rear. This rear was not fully rebuilt 200 miles ago. If so it was never cleaned out properly. I'll be in oc nj may 17th weeknd can you get it there? or meet me somewhere along the way.

fine, i dont have any way to come out there though, no way at all, it is impossible for me to come and get the rear, the only way for us to work ti out is if u take the ride out here, i got the money. if u dont want to come out here to get the money back then so be it and were done with this, but im not a delivery service, the rear will be going into another truck as soon as u drop it off. u WILL have to notch the ring gear on 4.56's if u install them into you rear.

so, the wrap is u come drop the rear off and get ur money or theres nothing i can do about it, sorry but thats all i can do

"Quote:
Originally Posted by 89_Black_Beast
I took a video of it and i'm posting it on youtube right now. It will take a little time to become veiwable but take a look tell me what you think. The first rear is my other truck second one it the one with your rear.
" Re-read what i sent to you before. The first truck is not a turbo. The first truck in the video is the same truck in all my other videos. Its the black ranger. At the 38 second mark is when i shut the truck off. You can see in the second vid how small my front tires are. Its obviously not a video of my lifted one. YOu can hear the gears whine like hell. Believe me i wouldn't go through this trouble of trying to get my money back if i thought it was fine. I'm gonna be using the money that you give me back to buy a new set of gears and rebuild my original rear.


dude, those look and sound like different trucks from the exhaust, the first truck sounds as if it is turbo, at the 38 second mark u can hear the distinct sound of a turbo blow off, ive worked with the 2.3 many times with a CAI and i know it does not make that sound, also why would u change the fluid as many times as u have in it if when u first put it in it was whining.

really, the video makes me not believe you, before i beilieved you fine, but it sounds liek a different truck entirely now and im not so sure

dotn get me wrong here im not tryin to hose anyone, if its whinin and i can get something better to show its whinin instead of the video where i cant even see the rear in the second video, then ill have no problems coming to pick up the rear and giving you your money back, becuase after i pick it up it would be going into a bII same day to test the rear

Whining 7.5 rear won't bring the vid up. Type in the search box "BrantsParty" and select search channels and all my videos will come up. You should see it then. Its uploaded now.

Thanx Yaader

well, im waitin for it to come up, its not available on youtube yet

I took a video of it and i'm posting it on youtube right now. It will take a little time to become veiwable but take a look tell me what you think. The first rear is my other truck second one it the one with your rear. I didn't get back to you cause I havent' had time to deal with this right now. I've been hellishly busy at work, school, and baseball. Anyways go to youtube and type in "Whining 7.5 rear" see if it comes up yet.

Thanks yaader

well, if ya say it whines then theres nothing i can do about it, its gonna take me a few days to get the cash together, i figure when i didnt hear back from u for a while that all was well. ill be in touch, gonna take me a few days to get money together.

later
mike

Hey mike this rear whines like crazy when on the throttle and off. This rear isn't set up right. You gotta come pick this thing up. I wasted to much money on it already to drive it back to ya. I cleaned it and welded and ground out the axle wrap marks. I ran clean oil in through it 3 times and its still metalic. Let me know what your thoughts are but this rear isn't what you said it was when I bought it at all...

Thanx Yaader


Hey Mike man i would love to have those gears but I just can't put them under my truck with the ring gear ground off. I know it sucks for you but believe me it sucks just as much for me. Anyways let me know when you got the money. Sooner the better so I could pick up some other gears. If at all possible I'd like to get this rear back to ya by the end of the week cause I'll be gone this weekend. Anyway let me know man.

Thanx Yaader


yo man, check the thread in ranger axles, thats what u gotta do to install 4.56's in the ranger, when u told me that i shoulda notched the cross pin it had me scratchin my head, the cross pins on the 7.5" are already prone to going, everyone that installs 4.56's into a 7.5 grinds the little bit off the one tooth, it has no contact with the pinion, id suggest just cleainin it out, throwing it under there and then if it really does give u a problem(which it shouldnt)

i mean, if its installed and really does make a noise then ill go ahead and give ya the loot back, but i wouldnt want ya to be pissed if u bought 4.56's and went to install them into your rear only to find out that u gotta do what i already did...

im just tryin to make it work out for both of us, cause ull put out more money if u gotta go out and buy gears and do all the bearings...

sorry if i wasnt exactly all there when u called the other day, i was just waking up when u called...

let me know man, shouldnt take but a hour to install that rear in the truck

i was startin to worry if i had been doing the 7.5's wrong in every ranger i had done over time....

later, mike

[89_Black_Beast]

I didn't pull the rear apart until after you told me you wouldn't pick it up. I took it down the road with no brakes the first couple times. Since your rear had 10 brakes on it I took my old smaller brakes off and put them on your rear. To do so you need to pull the axles so I did. That is when I had a great suprise of metal in the axle tubes. So to clean it out I then pulled out the carrier and bearings to clean everything. What should have been done when it was rebuilt...

I went to pick up the rear from you.
-couple days later I power washed it and welded the axle wrap marks
-couple days later I ground the welds and put new oil in it
-The next sunday I took my old rear out.
-The next weekend I put your rear in. Ran new oil in it and let it idle on jack stands for half hour. Changed the oil and did the same thing all over. It was still coming out metallic.
-I said screw it I wanna take it down the road and see if it whines
-It whined and makes noise you said you wouldn't come get it...
-Couple days later I pulled my backing plates off your rear to find metal in the tubes. You need to pull the axles to do so...

And blah blah blah blah blah the saga goes on...

This wasn't a one night project...

[bottledgt]

no rear should ever have that shit in it even after 100000 miles

[Hahnsb2]

you said you wouldn't come get it...
Hmm, if you bought something from a store that was defective, do you expect someone from the store to drive to your house to replace it or give you a refund?

[89_Black_Beast]

No I would take it back to the store. This a totally different thing though. I didn't buy it from a store. I bought it from a guy who lives 2hrs away and he gave me his word that it was good. When I talked to him the earlier he said he would find a way to come get it. Then he changed his story and said he wasn't a delivery service.

[MAKG]

Whether or not you're in the right, it would be a good idea to make it possible to make good. Two hours isn't THAT far. Is it really worth it? I've been known to drive 3-4 hours (one way) looking for junkyard parts.

Maybe the two of you can split the difference and meet halfway? Mike, you should be concerned that you're not 100% in the right here, and it can cause you more trouble than it's worth over 2-4 hours. I guarantee you'll spend a lot more time than that in court even if you win, if you let it go that far.

[mhughes165]

Whether or not you're in the right, it would be a good idea to make it possible to make good. Two hours isn't THAT far. Is it really worth it? I've been known to drive 3-4 hours (one way) looking for junkyard parts.

Maybe the two of you can split the difference and meet halfway? Mike, you should be concerned that you're not 100% in the right here, and it can cause you more trouble than it's worth over 2-4 hours. I guarantee you'll spend a lot more time than that in court even if you win, if you let it go that far.

i tried bein nice with this guy, he said there is carnage in that rear and its all i want to see, like i told him time and time again, in that shell 3 times spider gears had gone b4, so even after the entire rear was cleaned out i wasnt surprised to see some stuff in it, i had offered him a full refund before, but the simple fact is i have NO transportation, which is why i cant come and get the rear, i even told him just next time he was out this way for him to bring the rear and id give him the money for it, but that wasnt good enough for him, he told me he washed his hands of it once already, but he keeps draggin it out, i think its more less he still beleives hes in the right in the fact that the ring gear shouldnt ahve been notched....simple as that

[89_Black_Beast]

One you never offered more money for me to bring it back or I would have...believe me I would have. Two you made this rear sound like a gem which it isn't at all. Something whines/howls in the rear whether is the notched gear or bearings, I don't know. It makes noise and is full of metal or actually was full of metal... I cleaned it the best I could.

It just made me mad that you don't believe me. Like I'm making this up because its fun. Mike sorry if I bashed on you but I'm just very frustrated at the situation. You just didn't believe me and it made me more frustrated.

I would never take this to court i'm not like that, what a waste of my time and mikes.

[MAKG]

Well, if nothing else it sounds like he offered you a refund here.

Perhaps take him up on it?

I'd be skeptical as well -- or I'd at least want to see what happened -- if I got a report like yours. Not everything that can go wrong is bad setup, but some things are. I'd want a look at the contact pattern, as that can tell the difference. I'd also want a good look at spider gears and the old lubricant, and would want to feel the pinion and axle bearings.

[89_Black_Beast]

yea well i'm leaving for vaca. i'll be back in a week

[89_Black_Beast]

Mike, I just got back home... If you are willing to throw me some extra money back for bringing the rear back I will. I'm not asking for 100 extra bucks just something to compensate me for my gas, time and money I already put into the rear. When you put the rear into another truck you can hear the whine first hand. If you would have offered me money from the beginning to bring it back I would have... and I still will.

[89_Black_Beast]

Mike your a ****in prick, karma is a bitch... I wish i'd be there to laugh in your face when it happens... I didn't think you were but I guess you are an asshole

[mhughes165]

Well, if nothing else it sounds like he offered you a refund here.

Perhaps take him up on it?

I'd be skeptical as well -- or I'd at least want to see what happened -- if I got a report like yours. Not everything that can go wrong is bad setup, but some things are. I'd want a look at the contact pattern, as that can tell the difference. I'd also want a good look at spider gears and the old lubricant, and would want to feel the pinion and axle bearings.

yea well i'm leaving for vaca. i'll be back in a week

Mike, I just got back home... If you are willing to throw me some extra money back for bringing the rear back I will. I'm not asking for 100 extra bucks just something to compensate me for my gas, time and money I already put into the rear. When you put the rear into another truck you can hear the whine first hand. If you would have offered me money from the beginning to bring it back I would have... and I still will.

Mike your a ****in prick, karma is a bitch... I wish i'd be there to laugh in your face when it happens... I didn't think you were but I guess you are an asshole

i am not the asshole here, i told u what i wanted to see damage wise from the get go, with the sound its supposed to be making then there has to be some major damage to the RG or pinion, a bad contact pattern, or screwed up spiders, i have no doubt in my mind that when u pulled the carrier out u woulda seen if it wasnt wearing properly, and taken a picture as proof.

also, u said u were goin on vacation, ud be back in a week, u were gone for MUCH longer then a week, i went on vacation for some time as of late, and didnt feel like dealin with thsi while on vacation(even though i did have internet access and posted on here from time to time) i got back at 2pm today.

now, regardless, i will not be able to give someone MORE money to return something, i just dont work that way, never have, never will. i have a LARGE number of people that have purchased items from me on here that will dispute ur claims of me being a asshole. this is the end, im done with this, u didnt provide the pics showing damage, other then just what u cleaned out of the case that had 3 sets of spiders explode in it. would a insurance company cover the damages to a vehicle if u REFUSED to take it into get a estimate..... im done, had i known it was going to be such a hassle i woulda sold the rear to someone that knew what they were buying.......

[Jspafford]

Here is how I would handle it.

Mike, Offer the guy what he paid you for the axle and what he can prove he put into it. If it was as nice an axle as you say, then you would have no problem accepting it back with a list of new parts, because now it is essentially a new axle.

89, I wouldn't accept any less.

[MAKG]

Jspafford, there is quite a lot more to this than new parts. If he didn't set it up correctly, the new parts will not survive break-in. If this were an alternator, that approach would work great.

And it does NOT sound like he knows what he's doing. I'd insist on an inspection -- perhaps from a neutral third party at 89's expense if he doesn't want to trust Mike.

I think an original setup error is fairly likely, but far from a certainty. An example of something else that could go wrong, leading to very rapid failure, is water contamination from a deep water crossing, especially if the vent wasn't hooked up correctly. It is VERY suspicious that 89 is not cooperating with this. 2 hour drive or not; I'd take a 2 hour drive for a few hundred bucks.

[Jspafford]

Jspafford, there is quite a lot more to this than new parts. If he didn't set it up correctly, the new parts will not survive break-in. If this were an alternator, that approach would work great.

And it does NOT sound like he knows what he's doing. I'd insist on an inspection -- perhaps from a neutral third party at 89's expense if he doesn't want to trust Mike.

I think an original setup error is fairly likely, but far from a certainty. An example of something else that could go wrong, leading to very rapid failure, is water contamination from a deep water crossing, especially if the vent wasn't hooked up correctly. It is VERY suspicious that 89 is not cooperating with this. 2 hour drive or not; I'd take a 2 hour drive for a few hundred bucks.

Mhughes sold the axle to 89 stating it was a fresh rebuild by a professional shop. However in the first post from what I can tell he asks about notching the pin. It sounds to me like he was checking up to make sure what he did was right. Which makes it sound like he did the rebuild himself.

If I had driven two hours to pick up a supposibly good axle, you can bet I would not be willing to drive that same 2 hours back in order to drop it back off without some type of compensation. Why should 89 be penalized in money for gas because the axle was no good?

Someone is lying. We have no idea who it is. All we can do is offer up advice to both parties on the best way to settle it.

If 89 did nothing to the gearing then the axle was bad to begin with, and he needs compensated.

Your guess is as good as mine as to who's telling the truth.

[mhughes165]

Mhughes sold the axle to 89 stating it was a fresh rebuild by a professional shop. However in the first post from what I can tell he asks about notching the pin. It sounds to me like he was checking up to make sure what he did was right. Which makes it sound like he did the rebuild himself.

If I had driven two hours to pick up a supposibly good axle, you can bet I would not be willing to drive that same 2 hours back in order to drop it back off without some type of compensation. Why should 89 be penalized in money for gas because the axle was no good?

Someone is lying. We have no idea who it is. All we can do is offer up advice to both parties on the best way to settle it.

If 89 did nothing to the gearing then the axle was bad to begin with, and he needs compensated.

Your guess is as good as mine as to who's telling the truth.


i was the one who did the rebuild while workin at a shop, if u read over it, its said that i did the rebuild when i worked my old job, and was simply checking the way i learned todo gears in the 7.5 was not incorrect, it was a customers rear(who happened to be a friend of mine) and thats how i ended up with the rear after he decided to drop the truck on its nuts and replace it with a 8.8 to put behind a turbo 2.3

[bottledgt]

if somethings wrong...you take it back. thats how it works. nobody is gonna pay you, or come get it. it might suck, but life does sometimes. grow balls and go on

[89_Black_Beast]

I think an original setup error is fairly likely, but far from a certainty. An example of something else that could go wrong, leading to very rapid failure, is water contamination from a deep water crossing, especially if the vent wasn't hooked up correctly. It is VERY suspicious that 89 is not cooperating with this. 2 hour drive or not; I'd take a 2 hour drive for a few hundred bucks.

I'm not dropping it back off because I already wasted to much time and money on a rear that was "freshly rebuilt with less that 200 miles on it." I was gonna pay 200, I got there checked the fluid and it was black and metalic. He said give me 150 its yours and If something isn't right with it I will come get it or find a way. I gave him 160 and was on my way.
He now won't come get it cause he isn't a "delivery service" and I don't wanna waste more time and money to drop it back off cause I already wasted to much on this pos that was supposedly a good rear. He hosed me... If he is gonna be a dick and not compensate me a little for my time, effort, and money I put in this thing than I'll let him be an asshole. I'll keep it so he doesn't do the sell it to someone else and lie again.

I'll drive it until the howling gets to annoying or it blows up. The howling is the worst at 50mph. You can hear it all the time but from 45 to 55 its the worst then it quiets down and then when you start to hit 70 it slowly gets louder again.

[canyoncritter]

the nothed ring gear its self wont make any noise,have had 2 7.5's w/4.56's set up that way and no noise or broken teeth cause of it.

same 2.3 turbo owner blow the spiders out x3 of the rear end to start with?

If the axle was "rebuilt" you should have had no problems with getting 99% of the grit out of the axle. stand the axle housing on end and spary brake cleaner down the tubes, with a rag stuffed in the diff to catch the crap etc.

Now if you just sprayed out the diff and "gear slaped" a set of gear 's & bearings and replacemt damged parts in it, you and or your shop have really bad ethics. axles should NOT be "gear slaped" after having scrapnal in them,but "rebuilt".

[MAKG]

This has gone on long enough.

BOTH OF YOU grow up and find a way to resolve this.

Putting obstacles in the way just strings it along. ENOUGH!

If a two hour drive is really such an obstacle, TAKE SOME FN PICTURES. You can post a video and stills of a rag but not stills of the contact pattern? BS. Or perhaps a video of you moving the pinion flange? THIS is why I'm finding it hard to believe you. I have no independent knowledge of the quality of Mike's work and if you had been cooperating, I would be a LOT less skeptical.

But your photos are always just a little too far afield to authoritatively prove your claims, and you seem to be operating on ego. Ego is a very bad argument.

[89_Black_Beast]

I already have a vid. I'll take another then... I didn't take pictures of the inside housing. When you have gear oil all over your hands and shit I didn't feel like cleaning em up and taking pictures when its 11 at night. I need to change the oil again so i'll take pics. All the metal that was in it, is now in my drain pan and in my used oil drum.

I'm not operating on an ego. It pisses me off that Mike thinks this rear is cherry when he saw what that oil looked like...

I probably won't get a a vid or pic on here till Thursday night. No time next two nights

[kevinsranger]

i dont know man, i have dealt with mike a few times already and i have nothing but good things to say so far, he gave me great prices on the things i bought and so far everything is just as described. hell he answers questions i have every day for things he didnt even sell me and the advise was never wrong.

[89_Black_Beast]

Took a vid from inside the truck when coming home from work and one in my drive with it jacked up...

Remember when I'm doing 50 my speedo reads 65 give or take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWLGi3iAg9M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlybcsPa7LA

Won't get the pics until I have time to pull the cover, maybe friday night if not then hopefully sunday.

[bottledgt]

yeah i dont really hear any whining in that

[89_Black_Beast]

how can you not?...the howling noise is the rear, not a supercharger...

right when i hit 4th gear is when it starts...

[bottledgt]

just sounds like normal video road noise

[89_Black_Beast]

its not "normal video road noise" with the windows up...The truck doens't have big knobby tires on it either. Its lowered... just stay out of the situation at hand.

[MAKG]

Video sound is not good, and it isn't good enough in this instance for people to hear what you do.

I suggested a video of you flopping the companion flange, if it is floppy. ANYTHING else must be a still, or it will not be believable. What I don't understand is why it takes so long. Remove the back cover, spend 5 minutes cleaning yourself up (or just take off your rubber gloves...), and poke a camera at the contact pattern.

It HURTS your credibility substantially to piss around like this. Make the evidence undeniable, or you're wasting everyone's time.

[89_Black_Beast]

shit sorry you don't live my life... i don't need to explain to you this is a pain in my ass and isn't top priority. I have other shit going on not just this... I work 50 hrs a week, have night class 3 days a week and have baseball 2 nights a week so cut me a ****in break i'll get to it.

[bottledgt]

you post a sucky video that tells nothing and yet you tell me to stay out of it for stating the obvious problem with the video? what the**** ever man. i think ill comment more now when i see fit

[kevinsranger]

shit sorry you don't live my life... i don't need to explain to you this is a pain in my ass and isn't top priority. I have other shit going on not just this... I work 50 hrs a week, have night class 3 days a week and have baseball 2 nights a week so cut me a ****in break i'll get to it.

i bought the other rear from mike, the explorer 8.8, i got it for a great price, and the oil was good enough to be reused if i really wanted to, there was no problem what so ever with it, also got a brand new lift from him that had no flaws. stop bashing the mans name on here if your not gonna show this so called "proof" like pics of the contact patch or something.

[rickcdewitt]

first off-160$ for a rebuilt low geared axle? why DIDEN'T you expect something to be a little hokey(grits in housing,maybe needs a little more setup adjustment).

for that price i'de go through it WITH PICS anyway.

backlash,contact pattern?

you aren't helping yourself by just WHINING on the internet.somehow you got everyone siding against you?

i see your points but its pretty apparent the things you are doing that AREN'T helping your case.

i was a little surprised this thread isen't dead yet

[89_Black_Beast]

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[Jspafford]

Ouch!

[rickcdewitt]

some drain plug grits are normal when setting up an axle,especially if its had three sets of blown up spiders.at the very least i'de pull the cover,axles and carrier to flush the housing.

check the carrier bearing preload and backlash while you are in there.and get some pics of the contact pattern.

EDIT: sorry beast my slow cpu only loads a few pics at a time before you have to hit refresh.after 4 pics of the fill plug and grits i posted without looking at the rest.

i agree with makg on the gear face damage,this doesn't look like a sound setup.
what is the backlash now?and are the face of the teeth galled or smooth?

[MAKG]

Good; that's really helpful.

What is in that gear oil? It's GREEN? There are rust stains on the ring gear; is it water contaminated? Ground up steel makes it battleship gray.

The wear pattern on the ring gear does not look right; it looks like it has been riding on the gear teeth and that there are a few chips. Not good. This looks like either incorrect setup (pinion too deep and/or backlash too wide) OR a questionably-reused gearset (old damage). Mike, did you reuse the gearset for this "rebuild?" Are you sure the carrier shims haven't been reversed upon reinstall? You must have had the carrier out to inspect and clean out the axle tubes.

Wear/contact patterns are much easier to spot with gear marking compound, but something really doesn't look right there. However, it's conceivable that the pattern is just surface tension in the water that was on this gear. I kinda doubt it, though.

The carrier is gouged; this is consistent with a LOOSE pinion, but it may be old damage (it's inconsequential if so).

But that gear oil really bothers me. What was it? Where did you take this truck?

[89_Black_Beast]

its a lowered truck, it only sees the road. if you watched the vids you would know this. the gear oil is only a month or so old. Is cheapo gear oil at advance auto cause I knew I was gonna change it. The gear oil is clear on you fingers but looks green from the container and all the metallic shavings in it.

Those aren't rust stains either its orange chalk made into a paste, trying to show contact pattern but it wasn't workin well, I found other paint then...

I already pulled the axles and carrier to clean/flush all the metal out of the rear. There was a shit load of metal sitting in the groves behind the carrier shims in the axle tubes.

The carrier is damaged and so is the abs ring and diff cover. Someone grenaded more than spiders in this and it was never cleaned well before someone slapped new gears in it.

This is why I want a little compensation for this thing...
-I welded and ground out axle wrap marks
-power washed and painted it
-pulled the carrier and axles to clean and flush out LOTS OF METAL!!
-ran oil threw it 3 times to clean it out
-Spent a shit load of time I shouldn't have on this thing
-drove 2hrs to pick up a "freshly rebuilt rear"

[4x4junkie]

Kindof hard to see the coast side contact pattern in your spray paint (?) marking compound.

From what I can tell, the pinion is too shallow, and backlash maybe too wide (definitely not set up right). I'll also assume the grind marks on the carrier were pre-existing from the pinion coming loose in the past.
If the gear teeth are still smooth, they might be reusable. If there's any scoring or galling though, then they're toast.

Green gear oil is not that unusual though. IIRC, the factory Motorcraft oil I drained from my Ranger was green (and so was the engine oil too).

[89_Black_Beast]

Nothing to say for your self mike... Way to be an asshole...

[MAKG]

Another "interesting" feature -- Photo #10 shows an inconsistent contact pattern. Some of the teeth show a nice, centered wear spot, with feathered edges like they should be. Some other teeth show a wear spot right that intersects the tooth edge, and drifts outboard.

I think this means the ring gear is not square. I.e., the carrier is tweaked.

[mhughes165]

when something compells me to say something i will, what u are seeing could simply be caused by you removal of the carrier and incorrect reinstallation.

ALSO by any means if there was something wrong with the rear, and i had these photos before u drove on the rear for 2 months and it looked like this then i might be inclined to believe it, but as it stands, i beleive the carrier was reinstalled incorrectly, and u caused your own problems with the rear

[89_Black_Beast]

haha **** you... I didn't do anything wrong here but fix your **** up... I marked the shims when I took them out how can they go back in wrong when it was already "professionally installed" by YOU!!!! Realize you ****ed this thing up and maybe say sorry... don't be so ****ing ignorant.

[MAKG]

when something compells me to say something i will, what u are seeing could simply be caused by you removal of the carrier and incorrect reinstallation.

ALSO by any means if there was something wrong with the rear, and i had these photos before u drove on the rear for 2 months and it looked like this then i might be inclined to believe it, but as it stands, i beleive the carrier was reinstalled incorrectly, and u caused your own problems with the rear

Mike, I'm having a real hard time explaining the inconsistent contact pattern with incorrect carrier installation. I can't see any setup variables causing the carrier to deform in that manner, nor consequences of poor setup. Now, I could see ingestion of a blown part such as a spider gear chunk doing that.

Can you help me out here? Photo #10 appears to show a contact patch migrating on the gear surface, as a function of rotation angle. It's not a floppy pinion or it would be nonrepeatable (and even if it was, that would be an initial setup error unless he had the pinion out -- not necessary for what he was doing).

[Sasquatch_Ryda]

Maybe the ring gear wasn't seated properly onto the carrier?

[mhughes165]

Mike, I'm having a real hard time explaining the inconsistent contact pattern with incorrect carrier installation. I can't see any setup variables causing the carrier to deform in that manner, nor consequences of poor setup. Now, I could see ingestion of a blown part such as a spider gear chunk doing that.

Can you help me out here? Photo #10 appears to show a contact patch migrating on the gear surface, as a function of rotation angle. It's not a floppy pinion or it would be nonrepeatable (and even if it was, that would be an initial setup error unless he had the pinion out -- not necessary for what he was doing).

honestly, i cant explain it myself either, the previous owner of the rear ran it it in his truck for about a week back and forth 3 miles to work, he had no complaints as far as sound's went, when he decided he wanted to slamn the truck i gave him 200 for the rear, i planned on using it in the ranger myself before i got the 8.8 that kevins ranger now owns.

now, had u actually gotten pictures of everything in the rear like i had asked u initially and it indicated something done incorrectly, i would apologized and had u bring it back for a full refund, but u have driven on it for just over 2 months now so i will not take responsibility for the rear. if u had told me there was a issue, u had corrected it knowing as u had all parts needed to correct it because u had you old 7.5, i would have apologized but u woulda gotten your moneys worth still. however this did not happen.

i am sorry for selling you this rear, had i realized it woulda caused such a headache i woulda kept it from the get go......

[89_Black_Beast]

whatever... you never asked for pictures, MAKG and others wanted to see pics not you. You could care less. When I told you this rear was howling you didn't believe me from the begining...

BLAH BLAH BLAH what does it even matter what I say... I'm stuck with this hunk of crap and I'm tired of this.

Mike I wish I wouldn't have met you or you would have been a little reasonable about taken care of your mistake, hopefully we won't meet again, have a good life...

Someone KILL THIS THREAD!!!!!

[kevinsranger]

honestly, i cant explain it myself either, the previous owner of the rear ran it it in his truck for about a week back and forth 3 miles to work, he had no complaints as far as sound's went, when he decided he wanted to slamn the truck i gave him 200 for the rear, i planned on using it in the ranger myself before i got the 8.8 that kevins ranger now owns.

for the record, that 8.8 is mint condition! oil was good, gears are good, i have zero complaints about mike or anything i bought off him.

[mhughes165]

hmmm, if u read through just in this thread i asked back in APRIL for pictures, but u kept refusing to provide any, and thats juts what i pulled from the thread, i dont even have any of the PM's anymore with me asking for the same thing because ive sold and talked ot soooooo many other people.
what he doesnt tell u is that i offered him a full refund on it but he refused to bring the rear back to me, i was going to run it in my buddys ranger since i know its fine, or atleast it was when it was sold. HOWEVER he refused to bring it back out here and demanded i come out there to pickup the rear, since he was not willing to bring the part back to the store so to speak i am washing my hands of this.....

also, if u were able to take a video of what u claim was my rear, im rather surprised that when u pulled the rear apart and found metal in the tubes that u wouldnt have taken pictures???

that being said this thread is dead

i tried bein nice with this guy, he said there is carnage in that rear and its all i want to see, like i told him time and time again, in that shell 3 times spider gears had gone b4, so even after the entire rear was cleaned out i wasnt surprised to see some stuff in it, i had offered him a full refund before, but the simple fact is i have NO transportation, which is why i cant come and get the rear, i even told him just next time he was out this way for him to bring the rear and id give him the money for it, but that wasnt good enough for him, he told me he washed his hands of it once already, but he keeps draggin it out, i think its more less he still beleives hes in the right in the fact that the ring gear shouldnt ahve been notched....simple as that

i am not the asshole here, i told u what i wanted to see damage wise from the get go, with the sound its supposed to be making then there has to be some major damage to the RG or pinion, a bad contact pattern, or screwed up spiders, i have no doubt in my mind that when u pulled the carrier out u woulda seen if it wasnt wearing properly, and taken a picture as proof.

also, u said u were goin on vacation, ud be back in a week, u were gone for MUCH longer then a week, i went on vacation for some time as of late, and didnt feel like dealin with thsi while on vacation(even though i did have internet access and posted on here from time to time) i got back at 2pm today.

now, regardless, i will not be able to give someone MORE money to return something, i just dont work that way, never have, never will. i have a LARGE number of people that have purchased items from me on here that will dispute ur claims of me being a asshole. this is the end, im done with this, u didnt provide the pics showing damage, other then just what u cleaned out of the case that had 3 sets of spiders explode in it. would a insurance company cover the damages to a vehicle if u REFUSED to take it into get a estimate..... im done, had i known it was going to be such a hassle i woulda sold the rear to someone that knew what they were buying.......

whatever... you never asked for pictures, MAKG and others wanted to see pics not you. You could care less. When I told you this rear was howling you didn't believe me from the begining...

BLAH BLAH BLAH what does it even matter what I say... I'm stuck with this hunk of crap and I'm tired of this.

Mike I wish I wouldn't have met you or you would have been a little reasonable about taken care of your mistake, hopefully we won't meet again, have a good life...

Someone KILL THIS THREAD!!!!!

[MAKG]

Will the two of you STOP PUTTING UP ROADBLOCKS?

Mike, you agreed on this board to give him a full refund if he brings it over. Do it.

89, just bring the FN rear end over and you'll be done. Arguing for three months over it is ****ING STUPID.

If EITHER of you does anything different, you make it crystal clear that it's more interesting for you to fight than do it. Live with the consequences (Mike, you CAN get sued and will probably lose based on what you said here; 89, NO ONE is going to support your "he has to serve ME" attitude), and STFU.

If I hear ONE more post from either of you that says anything related to this rear end but "I did it" (PAST tense), I'm going to ask you BOTH be banned.

[Jspafford]

Will the two of you STOP PUTTING UP ROADBLOCKS?

Mike, you agreed on this board to give him a full refund if he brings it over. Do it.

89, just bring the FN rear end over and you'll be done. Arguing for three months over it is ****ING STUPID.

If EITHER of you does anything different, you make it crystal clear that it's more interesting for you to fight than do it. Live with the consequences (Mike, you CAN get sued and will probably lose based on what you said here; 89, NO ONE is going to support your "he has to serve ME" attitude), and STFU.

If I hear ONE more post from either of you that says anything related to this rear end but "I did it" (PAST tense), I'm going to ask you BOTH be banned.

My only advice I would add on is if you INSIST on continuing this argument take it back to PM's or a phone call.

There is not much good in posting about it. There is nothing any of us can do about it. This is between you two, and I think we've all put in our opinions on the situation.