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reimic39
03-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Ok so I was wondering if anyone has ever even attempted this swap it seemed like a cool idea and the really run good
Wicked_Sludge
03-06-2008, 10:06 PM
ford did it back in the early 90's to a second gen ranger GT as a "prototype". over all a great idea with lots of potential....id like to do this swap myself someday.
the 3.0 vulcan and 3.0 SHO share the same bellhousing bolt pattern, so it will bolt up to a 3.0 mazda 5 speed. the intake plenum is symmetrical...so it can be picked up and bolted on "backwards" to get the TB facing the right way. headers have to be custom made.
Davis
03-06-2008, 11:11 PM
huh, that's cool. i wasnt aware that you could flip that manifold. it seems like a sweet motor. the top end was done by yamaha.
there was a complete pulled one at a wrecking yard for something like $300.
Wicked_Sludge
03-07-2008, 12:42 AM
actually the 3.0 and 3.2 SHO's are all yamaha. the 3.4 v-8 was the one that ford built the block for, while yamaha built the top end and internals.
i really love the design of this motor. the 7 grand factory redline was decided upon after the motor kept blowing up belt-driven accessories.....meaning the engine can handle even more revs. they ran one motor for something like 20-some hours at redline with no problems. the engines bottom end is very strong even in stock form...and can be modified to handle considerable boost. ive seen an SHO taurus beat a dodge viper at the drag.
the main downside to the motor is the cost. you've got about $500 in gaskets just from the heads up.
Ranger44
03-07-2008, 03:26 PM
The engines are yamaha, and they were intended for use in some type of speed boat. Ford snagged them up. They seem like a very awesome engine Wicked.
reimic39
03-07-2008, 05:04 PM
Yea thats cool it would be nice to find some pics I was looking around and couldn't find any
Anyone have any
Robin Hood
03-07-2008, 10:23 PM
How much power do these things have? Just wondering.
Wicked_Sludge
03-07-2008, 10:30 PM
the SHO motor was designed and built by yamaha solely for ford. the engine was originally supposed to go into a mid engine sports car...but since that project fell through, ford put them into the taurus.
220HP @6200 RPM and 200ft-lbs @ 4800RPM.
http://mercuranger.com/images/SHO%20Ranger%20Hot%20Rod%20Jan%2089.jpg
theres a 2 page artical on that truck floating around on the internet somewhere...but i cant find it right now for some reason.
Robin Hood
03-07-2008, 11:12 PM
the SHO motor was designed and built by yamaha solely for ford. the engine was originally supposed to go into a mid engine sports car...but since that project fell through, ford put them into the taurus.
220HP @6200 RPM and 200ft-lbs @ 4800RPM.
http://mercuranger.com/images/SHO%20Ranger%20Hot%20Rod%20Jan%2089.jpg
theres a 2 page artical on that truck floating around on the internet somewhere...but i cant find it right now for some reason.
wow.
that sounds like loads of fun.
i want one.
Wicked_Sludge
03-07-2008, 11:40 PM
found it in an old SHO swap topic: http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1386
http://www.bigblockranger.com/images/pic0189.jpg
http://www.bigblockranger.com/images/pic0190.jpg
http://www.bigblockranger.com/images/pic0191.jpg
Mutant Pony
03-08-2008, 12:18 AM
I should have persued a Job at Roush when I was Younger. I would have had the coolest job ever.
I could have had a job at Dodge (where they fixed problems).
I was also offered a job at G.M.s proving grounds.
I hate cities though. I just stay out in the country and work for peanuts.
I came close to putting a 3.0 SHO engine in the Frog but, The guy wanted a few to many peanuts. Maybe someday.
Imagine finding that 3.0, T5 bellhousing. That would be a find!!!!
Wicked_Sludge
03-08-2008, 12:22 AM
theres a guy at work whos got a complete SHO motor laying around taking up space in his garage. he says hes prepaired to make me a sweet deal on it, but i just dont have anywhere to store a motor right now. i would love to have the motor just laying around because id love to do a supercharged SHO ranger someday.
i was also thinking it would be a fun swap for the escort :D
Mutant Pony
03-08-2008, 12:29 AM
I think that motor would do considerable damage to an Escort. LOL.
Does he have the EFI harness and ECA? That would be pretty darn important.
Wicked_Sludge
03-08-2008, 12:34 AM
hey they put v8's in focus's....why not an SHO into an escort? talk about sleeper...
as far as i know its the engine with harness on it still bolted to the transaxle. i dont know if hes got the PCM, but he's not the type to overlook details like that, so im sure its there.
Mutant Pony
03-08-2008, 12:45 AM
I think the 3.0 vulcan in an Escort would be wild, And it would be a bolt in. I seriously think the SHO motor would have problems without some serious reinforcement. Also, the axle shafts are a different length so that would be a problem.
The v-8 focus is a little different, They convert it to rear wheel drive so it is a major mod. BIG BAGS of peanuts.
michowski
03-08-2008, 12:46 AM
I got room under my hood to store the motor if you want it ;).
Wicked_Sludge
03-08-2008, 12:51 AM
ya ive seen a vulcan in a GT just like mine. the thing is, since the vulcan transaxle bolts right into the escort....and the SHO uses the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the vulcan....see where im going with this? :clapping:
but your right, i think it might be a little much without some beefing of the front suspention and steering. plus those cars torque steer bad enough with only 110hp...i cant imagine imagine doubling it to 220.
ive seen kits that include all the brackets needed to bolt in an 8.8 and small block into a focus....the kits run for about $5k and dont include engine, trans, or axle. it would certainly be fun if i won the lottery though :icon_twisted:
Mutant Pony
03-08-2008, 12:59 AM
ya ive seen a vulcan in a GT just like mine. the thing is, since the vulcan transaxle bolts right into the escort....and the SHO uses the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the vulcan....see where im going with this?
Well duh! Sometimes I just think at odd angles.
Sometimes people that don't know anything about cars show me how to do things I wouldn't have thought of. I just think too deep sometimes.
It is a syndrome that causes a lot of setbacks in anyone that is over educated in a subject.
Wicked_Sludge
03-08-2008, 01:27 AM
all anyone has to do is look at the mutant pony and theres no doubt that you know your way around a wrench. its easy to overlook obvious solutions, thats why its always good to have more than one brain on a project.
Mutant Pony
03-08-2008, 01:41 AM
Well tanks! I didn't mean to imply that you don't know anything about cars. From your posts we can clearly tell that you do. If YOU were to put the SHO in a Ranger, don't cut up your '93. Pick up a beater and fix it up. Save another Ranger from the crusher!!!
Wicked_Sludge
03-08-2008, 02:19 AM
what id like to do is put the cab and box from the '93 onto a 2wd frame with a v-8 and turn it into my clean, fast street truck/sleeper/rice cooker...find a beat up cab and build a flatbed for the 4x4/3.0 chassis, lock both ends, and use it as my beater/work/off road truck. then someday in the far future, find a 2nd 2wd for the SHO/super swap.
a guy can never have too many rangers, right? :icon_confused:
red85
03-08-2008, 08:17 AM
The v-8 focus is a little different, They convert it to rear wheel drive so it is a major mod. BIG BAGS of peanuts.
LOL big bags of peanuts :icon_rofl: Basically they take a fox body Mustang running gear and bolt it to a Focus. The instrument panel is actually just laid on top of the factory Focus stuff. The company is called Kugel Komponents. These guys have also done a 351W in a Focus. Ihave always loved that SHO engine. Did you guys see the thread with the SHO motor in a dune buggy?
Mutant Pony
03-08-2008, 09:06 AM
Yeah, Wicked_sludge posted it. I knew he was thinking of a swap as soon as I saw it.
MagnaV30
03-25-2008, 04:09 PM
Out of curiosity, would the SHO bolt onto a Mitsu FM145?
Hahnsb2
03-25-2008, 06:04 PM
Out of curiosity, would the SHO bolt onto a Mitsu FM145?
Doubt there is a 3.0 bellhousing for a mitsu trans since the mistu ended before the 3.0 started.
If I remember correctly, with that intake manifold they achieved 114% volumetric efficiency, that's insane on a N/A engine!
Mutant Pony
03-25-2008, 06:14 PM
Yes, The Mitsu's and the TKs could be bolted to the Sho but, It wouldn't be advisable. The M5r1 is going to be pushed to its limits.
Wicked_Sludge
03-25-2008, 08:48 PM
what mutant said. if you find one of the rare detachable 3.0 bellhousings, you could bolt it to an FM or TK..but i wouldnt. the only ranger SHO swap ive seen used a T5 (mustang) trans...it would be interesting to see how the M5OD handles 220HP...
Mutant Pony
03-25-2008, 09:05 PM
Remember, Wicked_sludge, it is torque that breaks things. The M5OD will handle it just fine until you dump the clutch at about 5000 rpm. Then it is a 100% gauranteed failure.
MagnaV30
03-26-2008, 12:06 PM
I would love to swap one into my truck, the problem is finding a donor up here....
I think i have seen one Taurus SHO in the past 10 years
Redneckcid52
05-03-2008, 01:33 PM
Hey ive built 3 of the normal ford 3.0 motors now ive left the block and rotating assembly stock im jw if any one has any ideas if how to push out 250hp and 240 trq just on bolts ons without breakin the bank im roundin out at about 205 on the one i just got rid of stock it was 168 and i only spent about 450 on it. Any ideas?
mhughes165
05-03-2008, 01:47 PM
funny i didnt see this thread before hand, why wouldnt u just get the m50d built to handle the torque??? u can build a manual transmission the same to handle power as u can build a automatic, i had actually be toying around with the idea of doing that with either supercharged 4.0 built up right in a ranger, or a sho motor with a built m50d behind it, i can get it build to handle 800 ftlbs of torqe GARUNTEED for about 1000, buddy has his old trans for his ranger built to handle the power with his worked turbo 2.3
Wicked_Sludge
05-03-2008, 10:50 PM
how to push out 250hp and 240 trq just on bolts ons without breakin the bank
maybe you should start a new post since this really doesnt have anything to do with the topic :icon_confused:
mhughes, there arent a lot of options out there for adding beefier parts to the M5OD. people usually beef up a trans by using stronger-than-stock aftermarket parts. not sure what your buddy did to his, but it couldnt have been much without a lot of custom work.
mhughes165
05-03-2008, 10:57 PM
maybe you should start a new post since this really doesnt have anything to do with the topic :icon_confused:
mhughes, there arent a lot of options out there for adding beefier parts to the M5OD. people usually beef up a trans by using stronger-than-stock aftermarket parts. not sure what your buddy did to his, but it couldnt have been much without a lot of custom work.
idk what was done, thats what the dude told him, that he would garuntee it to that.....dudes a miracle worker, i can bring him any trans and he can build, its all hes done for 50 years, old man ziggy is the shit
RedneKRangeR
05-03-2008, 11:03 PM
i cant remember but would a t-5 off a 3.8 mate to the sho engine?
i know where theres one of each laying around needing a purpose...
Wicked_Sludge
05-03-2008, 11:09 PM
it can be made to fit. either an adaptor between the engine and trans, or you need a vulcan bellhousing off of an FM trans out of an aerostar.
hihoslvr
05-04-2008, 02:10 AM
this might be a litttle of topic, but it's still cool: http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=188042
capri1979
05-19-2008, 12:57 AM
for this i guess u would need custom motor mounts as well!?
V8_power428@hotmail.com
06-02-2008, 02:22 AM
yeah my buddy picked up a 3.0L SHO last year for a grand the thing halls balls. it would be an awesome swap into a ranger especially if it was supercharged!!
AllanD
06-20-2008, 11:17 AM
Doubt there is a 3.0 bellhousing for a mitsu trans since the mistu ended before the 3.0 started.
If I remember correctly, with that intake manifold they achieved 114% volumetric efficiency, that's insane on a N/A engine!
Actually there is, 1986-87 aerostars were sold with a 3.0 and a 5sp TK trans
and the T-K uses the same bellhousing as an FM145.
So IF you can find an '86-87 3.0 5sp aerostar you could get a bellhousing.
it can be made to fit. either an adaptor between the engine and trans, or you need a vulcan bellhousing off of an FM trans out of an aerostar.
The Aerostars in '86-87 ONLY used a TK trans.
Until '89 there wasn't a 2wd FM
for 1988 the RARE 5sp Aerostars used a Mazda M5OD-R1
(I have two of the unique top covers used on the
aerostar version of the trans)
Frankly I'd scrap the FM145 and look for a '93-up Mazda M5OD-R1 trans.
It'll definatly stand up to a SHO engine.
But then again there's another engine that I honestly think would be a better choice for a Ranger that everyone ignores...
The Split-Port version of the 3.8 engine used in Windstars and Mustangs.
That engine suffers NONE of the problems the original 3.8 engine had but makes 215hp, but at a MUCH lower rpm than the SHO engine.
Granted it doesn't sound exotic like "SHO" and doesn't look as sexy
compared to the SHO's "nest of snakes", but....
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Wicked_Sludge
06-24-2008, 05:35 PM
the 3.8 also doesnt have the top end that the sho has....so it just depends on how you drive i guess. personally i like to stay in the revs, so the bottom end isnt all that important to me...make it all up in the big end :icon_twisted:
AllanD
06-30-2008, 06:23 PM
There is a whopping 5hp difference but the power from the SHO is less accessable
because you need to rev the CRAP out of the engine to find any of it.
In a 2wd Ranger with really SMALL tires you'd still need 4.56 gears to make any of it useable.
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Mutant Pony
07-01-2008, 05:55 PM
The older 3.8s had different blocks between fwd and rwd, Are the split ports the same? I would assume they are.
Part of using the SHO motor is the cool factor, split ports ain't cool!!!
AllanD
07-02-2008, 09:37 PM
The split port engine was introduced for the Windstar as a FWD engine.
using the same bellhousing pattern as a 3.0.
It was also sold in the Mustang (probably still is) as a RWD engine
T-45 anyone?
Personally I'd use a RWD Mustang block because the manual flywheel is simply more "obtainable" and allows a bigger clutch
I'd actually use a supercoupe Flywheel, Clutch and M5R1 trans
But that's partially because it's parts I already have.
Split-ports ain't cool? look at the upper intake.
It's black and has those crossing tubes just like a SHO
It just isn't a twin cam.
But like I said the power is virtually the same 215hp for the split port, but it's "accessable" power for most ranger users.
My brother and I always wanted to build a SHO Taurus Wagon.
(It's about being unnoticed) that was until the 3.8 splitport
engine came out, The idea is that yes, the show has slightly more power but by the time a SHO owner finds it the 3.0 split port (assuming an identical car) is already accelerating hard in the next gear.
The SHO is about top end in a aerodynamic brick like a ranger you'd hate it.
even if you did manage to build your ranger with 4.88 gears and your tiny
Ricer sized tires.
Everyone TALKS about "power" but generally prefer torque if they
are given a sample of each of the two side by side.
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Mutant Pony
07-03-2008, 12:06 AM
It is good to explain this to a lot of the youngsters here but, if any of that was meant for me you are wasteing your time.
I prefer HP to torque. My favorite Ford engines are 2.3, 3.0, and the 351c. All are screamers that are not big on low end torque. I do like the 302s but, owning one is almost like owning a chevy(everybodies got one).
All low end torque does is eat up tires that I can't afford to replace.
AllanD
07-06-2008, 01:36 PM
You can "love horsepower" all you like, but except in a 2wd ranger with TINY tires and 4.56 gears you can't actually get to the power off the line.
You are ignoring the fact that the difference between a 3.0SHO and a 3.8Split-port
(220hp Vs 215hp) is essentially insignificant
My POINT is that the 3.8Split-Port is alot easier to use, it's more "user friendly"
That "power" you love is simply more accessable in a 3.8split-port.
the SHO is a laugh riot stuffed mid-engine into the back of a Festiva
(ever seena "SHOgun"?
The 3.8 would eimply be a lot more fun, keeping a really revvy engine "up"
becomes w-a-y too much like hard work...
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MrE_Powers
07-09-2008, 05:59 PM
this guy installed a sho in a mg mgb
the only thing he does not explain is headers.
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/LeRoyBarton.htm
Dusty_Ranger
07-09-2008, 07:45 PM
whats with the dual gas pedals?
Danger06Ranger
07-10-2008, 08:53 AM
If anyone wants a SHO motor I can get 4 of em, $200 each. The catch is I keep one for my escort wagon, lol.
Wicked_Sludge
07-15-2008, 09:32 PM
keeping a really revvy engine "up"
becomes w-a-y too much like hard work...
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see and thats exactly what i like about the SHO. anyone can jump in an engine with torque, stomp the gas and be off...but i like to feel like im doing more than just sitting there with my thumb up my butt while im driving. downshifting to pass on the highway is one of the most exhilarating experiences available to me on a daily basis...and you just dont get that on big torque motors. i guess thats why i would still choose my weaker 3.0 over a more powerful 4.0 if i could do it all over again.
GPRACING
09-26-2008, 07:07 PM
What about swapping in a SHO V-8???What bellhousing does it have??
mazdabomber
09-27-2008, 11:09 AM
has any one done a sho swap in a ranger...i have a 2.3t svo i was going to drop in my 90gt ranger(i made it a gt myself) but the sho swap seems a little more fun
Accord4tehloss!
09-27-2008, 08:54 PM
I miss my SHO I had a 94 opel frost flawless 5 speed SHO. lowerd and stiffened the suspension slightly. It was a dream to drive handled great had good power. rev match down shifting to 3rd on the highway damn! I would still have it today if it wernt for the SOB uninsured POS that rear ended me at a stop light and totaled it! Friend has it at his house gave it to him he is looking for one with a clean body and blown motor to put it in.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/CamaroZ285l/drv_side.jpg
Wicked_Sludge
09-29-2008, 12:53 AM
the 3.4 (V-8 SHO) is, in my opinion, a crap motor. it has a tendency to spin the cam sprokets, which causes valve/piston damage due to it being an interference engine (the 3.0 is not interference). the 3.0 has a stronger iron block, a stronger bottom end which is capable of handling over 400HP in stock form, much better aftermarket support, and looks a lot cooler. on top of that the v-8 barely produces more power than the v-6 (235hp vs. 220hp).
the 3.4 uses a standard duratec bellhousing bolt pattern.
has any one done a sho swap in a ranger...
see post #10 of this thread.
AllanD
10-06-2008, 11:45 AM
Yes, The Mitsu's and the TKs could be bolted to the Sho but, It wouldn't be advisable. The M5r1 is going to be pushed to its limits.
It's Not "horsepower" that breaks drivetrain components, but "torque"
And the SHO doesn't make as much torque as a 4.0OHV engine
I think even a stock 3.0 gearbox would be "fine" behind a SHO engine
for durability, butyou'd likely be happier with the gears from a 4.0 trans
for the different gear ratios (the 4.0 M5OD-R1 is essentially a "Close ratio" trans)
BTW, don't refer to our Mazda M5OD-R1's in "shorthand"
because there is another completely different transmission
that IS an "M5R1"
what mutant said. if you find one of the rare detachable 3.0 bellhousings, you could bolt it to an FM or TK..but i wouldnt. the only ranger SHO swap ive seen used a T5 (mustang) trans...it would be interesting to see how the M5OD handles 220HP...
Again, it's not the "power" but rather the "Torque"
Stock 4cyl Mazda's have withstood being behind 2.3Turbo's
which when "tuned up" make the SHO motor look worthless and weak.
You can easily tune up a 2.3T to the mid-250's (HP) and
they already make far more torque stock than a SHO engine does....
Remember, Wicked_sludge, it is torque that breaks things. The M5OD will handle it just fine until you dump the clutch at about 5000 rpm. Then it is a 100% gauranteed failure.
You made me remember a detail I forgot, it's torque AND rotating inertia. Dump the clutch at 6grand and you'd likely snap the input shaft, the rest of the trans would be undammaged
Hey ive built 3 of the normal ford 3.0 motors now ive left the block and rotating assembly stock im jw if any one has any ideas if how to push out 250hp and 240 trq just on bolts ons without breakin the bank im roundin out at about 205 on the one i just got rid of stock it was 168 and i only spent about 450 on it. Any ideas?
Get a grip and don't insult my intelligence.
You are making 205 out of a vulcan without forced induction like I'm the Queen of England.
It takes Dual Overhead Cams, four valves per cylinder AND
spinning the engine to just shy of 7-grand to make 220hp
what makes you think a 2Valve per cylinder pushrod turd
is gonna make 205 without a nitrous bottle?
As for the arguement about power, horsepower is horsepower.
two vehicles with the same power and proper geaqring for the specific engines will be equally fast.
the other advantage to the 3.8 Split-Port is that NOBODY is looking for them there are atleast a dozen in each of three junkyards and they are always in the junkyard for the same reason.... The vehicle they are in has a dead automatic trans.
yes, a peaky engine can be "fun" if you know how to use it
and you have the inclination to use it, but trust me it gets old
faster than you will.
BTW, an engine that you MUST keep spinning at 4000rpm plus simply so the vehicle keeps moving attracts attention from all the people you don't want... thieves and police.
I long ago learned to be more "discrete"... you can have a car that will do 140mph until you run out of gas, but if every time you go 3mph over the posted limit there's a cop with a ticket book and an itchy pen hand you get to feeling stupid faster than I can type the word "jackass"...
My only problem was that the local cops where I lived didn't stay stupid...
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GPRACING
10-11-2008, 12:09 PM
Will the 3.8L split port bolt to a 4.0L trans or does the 3.8L have the V-8 bellhousing bolt pattern?
Wicked_Sludge
10-11-2008, 03:06 PM
i had always heard that it had a SBF bellhousing pattern, but according to wiki, thats only the rear wheel drive versions, and FWD engines supposedly share the vulcan bolt pattern. i cant imagine them casting TWO different blocks for the same engine...unless there are other major differences between FWD and RWD blocks...:dntknw:
either way is easy enough to overcome. use the T-5 that came bolted to the engine in the mustang (for 2wd trucks anyway) if you need a SBF pattern. or use a 3.0 M5OD from a ranger if you need a vulcan pattern.
Mutant Pony
10-11-2008, 08:54 PM
I have seen both blocks and they do have FWD or RWD cast right into the side of the block. A fwd 3.8 block could be bolted dirrectly to a Ranger 3.0 trans. I don't know if there is a flywheel that would work though.
205hp is well within reason for a naturally aspired 3.0. Nobody makes the proper parts though.
Wicked_Sludge
10-11-2008, 09:03 PM
its not that nobody makes them, its that they are way ungodly expensive :D
theres a price to be payed for uniqueness...if i could afford it, you bet id be driving a 3.3 stroker running about 20 PSI :drool:
Mutant Pony
10-11-2008, 09:17 PM
I firmly believe that the intake manifold is the biggest restriction on the Vulcan. The improvements made through the years are to slight. The typical Ford inadequate exhaust ports are a problem as well. The vulcan I put together is back on my garage floor with a spun rod bearing. I plan on doing extensive head and intake work to be put on another bottom end. As usual though, I have to many project so this one may never come to be.
Wicked_Sludge
10-11-2008, 09:21 PM
shoot if you werent so far away id drive my ass down there and kick start that project for you.
i agree that the vulcans plenum is pitifully inadiquate. i would love to see what a custom intake plenum and some HEAVY port work would do for that motor.
Mutant Pony
10-11-2008, 09:36 PM
I need to get something done with the motor quickly, It is tying up the stall my Pinto needs to go into to have the subframe installed.
The subframe needs to go into the Pinto though. Kind of a "catch 22"
I am in the middle of building my "clean room" though. That should be done in Jan. or feb. Then motors will go together better.
Um, I think we shot the original topic to bits. I would run the SHO 3.0 if I had access to one.
Wicked_Sludge
10-11-2008, 09:39 PM
funny you should mention that...turns out i have access to one.
just waiting for the lottery money to roll in so i can boost it and plop it in a ranger (probably going to be a while since i dont play the lottery :fie:)
Mutant Pony
10-11-2008, 09:47 PM
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out how it would be possible to win the lotto without playing. Those dollars are more at home in my gas tank though.
Put that sucker in stock! Worry about boost after you have all the other bugs ironed out.
Wicked_Sludge
10-11-2008, 09:50 PM
i would but i cant afford to do that right now either (and i cant do it "right" for cheap). the motor needs rebuilt, and i dont want to put it into a 4wd chassis anyway.
AllanD
10-13-2008, 11:06 AM
has any one done a sho swap in a ranger...i have a 2.3t svo i was going to drop in my 90gt ranger(i made it a gt myself) but the sho swap seems a little more fun
In a vehicle like a Ranger the 2.3T is much more practical.
Yes, the SHO makes 220hp and the intercooled 2.3T makes 190hp,
however that 190hp can EASILY be improved upon...
Just turn the boost up.... this can FAR more easily be done
than you can make any improvements to a SHO engine.
and the 2.3T makes far more torque (~100ft/lb)
than the SHO engine does.
So while out across a desert highway the SHO is faster,
but within typical acceleration distances the turbo powered
Ranger will flat simply be GONE....
Like I keep saying as much as people go on and on
about horsepower TORQUE is very persuasive when
it comes to making things MOVE.
And yeah, I can keep a high revving engine "up on the cam"
as well as anyone here, and while they have their place in the
automotive world driving one back and forth to work can get tired...
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Wicked_Sludge
10-13-2008, 07:43 PM
allan seriously...
we all know by now that YOU much prefer a torquey motor over a revving one...but thats you. SOME of us love to get into the revs and it doesnt get old (in my particular case, my truck is no longer my daily driver anyway...but if it was, i would still never get tired of it).
between my 3.0 and the 2 1.9's (you guys think the 3.0 has no bottom end...drive a 1.9 HO in a gen 2 escort), i spend a lot of time working the clutch and selecting gears, and i wouldnt have it any other way. if i didnt want to shift, i would drive an automatic.
Psychopete
10-13-2008, 08:58 PM
between my 3.0 and the 2 1.9's :rolleyes:
:D
Pete
dusto2
10-14-2008, 12:28 AM
I cant remember where i read it but Jay Leno has a custom rear whell drive rally style ford fiesta with a sho motor in the back of this things i will have to find that page again
Wicked_Sludge
10-14-2008, 03:17 AM
its called a shogun and there were only 7 built, jays is #3.
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/images/photos/89Shogun_01.jpg
rickcdewitt
10-16-2008, 11:16 AM
what kind of longetivity do these little 2 strokes(J/K) achive? sounds fun in a light rig,i've been thinking of what motors i could run in the old stang and get around 30 mpg while having 250hp+ on tap
Wicked_Sludge
10-16-2008, 03:05 PM
the 3.0 SHO is an unkillable beast....at least as durable as the 3.0 vulcan. in factory form, fuel cutoff occures at 7300RPM, but the engines true redline is over 8500RPM, appearantly yamaha was having troubles with belt driven accessories exploding much past 8 grand. there are many 100,000 miles and over examples. you dont hear of many 200,000 mile engines, but i have a feeling its just because SHO's are not nearly as common as normal tarauses and they dont rack up as many miles by nature.
the weak link in the SHO taraus was the shitty transmissions (built by ford) that couldnt handle the power of the yamaha and were constantly failing. since we arent front wheel drive, we wouldnt have that problem. for a mustang application, a guy could attempt to locate the rare 3.0 removable bellhousing from a 5 speed aerostar and bolt the SHO to a t5 with it...or even just stuff it in the car with a 2wd M5OD...not sure how much modification of the car would be required.
koolmilds
10-18-2008, 06:00 PM
my friend in Richardson, Texas has over 350K documented miles on his 1991 SHO, and he is the original owner. the key for longevitiy in a motor is maintenance, which is what he has done methodically.
Wicked_Sludge
10-18-2008, 06:39 PM
timing belts and lash adjustments!
Time2SHO
10-19-2008, 03:46 PM
would it be worth doing the swap, if it was going to be ur daily driver?
Wicked_Sludge
10-19-2008, 05:49 PM
thats up to the individual i guess. im sure you know as well as anyone that the SHO motors get decent mileage, so that wouldnt be a problem....but being that they ARE a high revving engine, that would mean a lot of shifting. some people might be bothered by that on a daily driver...but it doesnt phase me (im young still, i guess).
if my truck were still my daily driver, i would still want to do this swap.
of coarse theres no reason a guy could bolt a built c4 behind the SHO and not have to worry about shifting it....
Time2SHO
10-19-2008, 05:53 PM
oh ok thanks
mrecoolgar
10-24-2008, 09:42 AM
Here's the one I plan to convert.
I currently have a Nissan reg cab and love it.
However, I need a ext cab for my business I plan to start soon.
Having 6 SHO's and extensive parts this route seemed feasable.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/mrecoolgar/Ranger/100_3525.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f280/mrecoolgar/Ranger/100_3522.jpg
Here's my thread : http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?p=234896#post234896
TwoWhels
10-27-2008, 05:34 PM
was just surfing around and found this on the web
http://web.archive.org/web/20030808202030/www.mercurycapri.com/technical/engine/blower/shosc.html
Hope it works and is helpful
mrecoolgar
10-29-2008, 08:34 AM
Thanks !
I may do a twin turbo after.
For now I just want to add the SHO motor and a 5 Speed.
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