Doomsday Preppers

[Jim Oaks]

Anyone watch the new Doomsday Preppers show last night?

[sirfunkeybut]

I watched a few minutes before turning it. I think it's all an over exaggeration. If the world does end, which I don't think it will, then they might last for a while assuming no one kills them. I don't know, I guess that's my opinion so no bashing please

[infantry grunt]

I watched it too.Not everyone will agree with me on this,but its not an opinion,its what the Bible says about the last days.Im far from perfect but do believe what the Bible says.So,ya,i could see something like that happening,when,i dont know,could be soon,or not even in our life time.I probably sturred up a stink now,thats just me,so believe what you like,and we will see what the future brings.

[85_Ranger4x4]

I watched a few minutes before turning it. I think it's all an over exaggeration. If the world does end, which I don't think it will, then they might last for a while assuming no one kills them. I don't know, I guess that's my opinion so no bashing please

IMO unless your end of the world preperations include a spaceship to get to that new possibly hospitable planet a meager 22 light years away they found last week you will be planetless... so it really doesn't matter.

To me the end of the world means there is no more world, if not physically hostpitably. Game over, the end, no more, last one out get the lights... No MRE or ammo stash will fix that.

[Jim Oaks]

Anyone notice the small windmill that was made out of an alternator to generate power?

[sbsrlewis]

I DVR'd it. Will get around to watching it one of these days.


Steve

[--weezl--]

Small windmill made out of a generator you say... Not a bad idea... Though you would need gearing to make it spin fast enough to produce any real charge... Wind turbines (windmills) don't spin at even 60 rpm, iirc... Alternators are made to idle at around 700 crank rpm an my best guess based on pulley size, the alternator at idle probably spins around 1500rpm so mid range rpm where it is optimal, maybe 6000rpm? So you would need like a 15:1 gear set to make the alternator produce a reasonable charge at average wind speeds

[85_Ranger4x4]

People used to run wells with the old timey windmills, I wondered about rigging up a generator to one since most are either being scrapped or pushed in a ditch with a dozer. Never actually sat and counted but they spin a lot faster than the big ones.

[1994_4x4]

Anyone watch the new Doomsday Preppers show last night?

Yes. It was nice to see self-efficient groups of people still exist. I don't think the way they were living was too much different than our ancestors. That's just a guess though.

I think the program had a issue with the "Expert analysis" at the end of each segment. The "Expert" seemed one-sided and UN-educated.

As far the Preppers themselves go, well everyone has different shades of paranoia. But I think most doomsday scenarios involve staying mobile, all others would be extinction level events where you just need to go out and party :icon_cheers:.

[Jim Oaks]

I'm interested in the show. You never know what you might learn from a show like that.

[1994_4x4]

I'm interested in the show. You never know what you might learn from a show like that.

Agree 100%. In general Preppers seem like educated, smart people. So you're gonna learn something watching.

[JC 97]

Agree 100%. In general Preppers seem like educated, smart people. So you're gonna learn something watching.

I watched the show.Each three had different reasons for prepping.They seem educated how? The fact that they know how to can? what plants to eat? If you mean the poles shifting(north & south) and land masses moving, really?2) Walking out of a massive earthquake with a bottle of salad dressing and a bag full of knives?3) Walking 12 miles to your truck and driving 325 miles to Mexico? Mexico!? Really? Yea, that country is the place to escape to. all because of mid-east oil not being available.We only buy 20% from the middle east.Yes the price would go up for gas but not cause the total collapse of the U.S.I did not watch the second show.

[sirfunkeybut]

I should have made it a little more clear in my first post, my thought is the world will end someday. I don't think it will end in 2012, it could , or maybe in 2013? I guess what I'm saying is you don't know when and I guess it would be bad to be prepared, I just think that these shows are stirring the pot. And if something does happen in 2012 I think it will be from humans, not something cataclismic.
Don't think I'm arguing with you, that's not my intention


I watched it too.Not everyone will agree with me on this,but its not an opinion,its what the Bible says about the last days.Im far from perfect but do believe what the Bible says.So,ya,i could see something like that happening,when,i dont know,could be soon,or not even in our life time.I probably sturred up a stink now,thats just me,so believe what you like,and we will see what the future brings.

[85_Ranger4x4]

Walking 12 miles to your truck and driving 325 miles to Mexico? Mexico!? Really? Yea, that country is the place to escape to.

Since the people that live there now want out of there on a good day... it might be pretty well vacated on a bad day. :icon_idea:

[1994_4x4]

I watched the show.Each three had different reasons for prepping.They seem educated how? The fact that they know how to can? what plants to eat? If you mean the poles shifting(north & south) and land masses moving, really?2) Walking out of a massive earthquake with a bottle of salad dressing and a bag full of knives?3) Walking 12 miles to your truck and driving 325 miles to Mexico? Mexico!? Really? Yea, that country is the place to escape to. all because of mid-east oil not being available.We only buy 20% from the middle east.Yes the price would go up for gas but not cause the total collapse of the U.S.I did not watch the second show.

Ok I missed some of that stuff. But knowing what plants to eat and how to can, yes that is a very good attribute to have.

And I agree with you. Mexico is a bad place for anything, including a vacation.

Barring mass stupidity. I don't think the world is going to end anytime soon.

[JC 97]

I admire people that are self-reliant.We all should be.Preparing for a disaster is a good idea.I guess my problem with people is that their reasons don't seem to be rooted in logical thought.Knowledge is a very powerful tool,become informed about the real possibilities.The only thing that can be predicted is that things will be un-predictable.I personally don't feel that society will collapse into kaos in the blink of an eye.If I am wrong all your planning will probably be for nothing.Improvise,Overcome,and Adapt.That's my motto.

[SnC RangeR]

the methane trick with the pig shit was pretty brilliant. Who runs barter town!?

[JC 97]

master blaster?

[--weezl--]

old link, but totally appropriate for this thread... i remember this from like grade 9 lol


warning, NSFW/NSFK (language)
http://www.endofworld.net/

[unoleisu]

I know a guy that rebuilds ceiling fans, and makes them permanent magnet generators. He uses them to run battery chargers, ect. He also rebuilds cordless tool batteries, to use well beyond their life expectancy.

I think the majority of end of the world scenarious may be overblown, but it is very clear to me that we are in an economic desaster, that is about to get ugly. As a nation, we are not self sustaining, and too user oriented. Millions are losing jobs, homes and the ability to make ends meet. Many thru no fault of their own.

It really wouldn't take very much to push us (as a nation),over the edge right now.
I admire anyone who is trying to develope self sufficiency, whether it is repairing/ building their own vehicles, like we do here, or raising there own uncontaminated foods.ect.

Do some research and check out our last great depression. Our jobless rate as a nation is VERY comparrable to that, and we are only being held up as a nation, by false credit.

Our national infrastructure has many weak spots that any ONE could trigger a calamitty.

[unoleisu]

I live in pretty much the center of OKLAhoma,which is about center of the US. We have earthqukes, tornados, straight line winds, ice storms, droughts/100+ deg temps, major thunderstorms, lighting storms, and lots of low paying jobs. The power goes out at my place so regularly I don't bother resetting any of the digital clocks in the house.

The job market SUCKS for anyone needing more than $9-$10 an hour, OR has to drive 30-50 miles one way to work. Housing prices are lower than most of the nation, but so is overall pay. Your resume doesn't mean spit to most employers.
I am highly skilled and unimployed. Employers for low paying jobs are intimidated by me and won't hire. At all. Higher paying jobs get thousands of applicants, and need only one.

I am not alone. There are thousands like me all over the area, and the country. We gave all of our jobs to other countries. We passed laws like the "right to work" laws, that had sneaky little clauses in them that allow employers to drop their paying wages dramatically.

[87xlranger]

I should have made it a little more clear in my first post, my thought is the world will end someday. I don't think it will end in 2012, it could , or maybe in 2013? I guess what I'm saying is you don't know when and I guess it would be bad to be prepared, I just think that these shows are stirring the pot. And if something does happen in 2012 I think it will be from humans, not something cataclismic.
Don't think I'm arguing with you, that's not my intention

Remember what it says in the bible as well, Mark 13:32 - "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Ignorance is bliss my friend, I don't want to know - It gives you time to think of all the things that don't matter like Money, cars and bills. But unfortunately it gives you time to think about what does matter and that you are going to watch die or know that they will not go on living. As a father of a 8 year old son and an 11 year old daughter, I do not want to know and I don't want them to know.

Troy.

[daniel3507]

I watched the very first episode of it awhile back before it became a series. I havent been able to watch it lately since I dont get Nation Geographic here. I thought it was a pretty good show. Maybe a little more dramatic and such than needed. The "survival mom" lady on the first episode ordered a bunch of food (pallets of it) and had it delivered by semi in the middle of the night for OPSEC. On a survival forum she is on though she said that was the producers doing though.

[ES894x4]

BYT0HITp0xc

no ones yet realized that every day you wake up is another day closer to the suns ultimate goal to destroy the earth with supernova and that is the inconvenient truth folks.

hopefully global warming will superheat the earth and we will be able to kill the sun with our own supernova before it kills us.

[country0001]

I just helped some friends move, I move close to a years worth of can goods. It was ridiculous. If it happens, it happens.

[kryptonitecb]

Lol I helped a friends parents move and the father is convinced he needs a rotating dry stock of food for when the gov't falls. So I helped him move a couple shelves of dry and canned goods also.

Sent from the road while ignoring traffic

[--weezl--]

people are dumb, canned goods expire

"non perishable" my ass

[scooter]

I live in pretty much the center of OKLAhoma,which is about center of the US. We have earthqukes, tornados, straight line winds, ice storms, droughts/100+ deg temps, major thunderstorms, lighting storms, and lots of low paying jobs. The power goes out at my place so regularly I don't bother resetting any of the digital clocks in the house.

The job market SUCKS for anyone needing more than $9-$10 an hour, OR has to drive 30-50 miles one way to work. Housing prices are lower than most of the nation, but so is overall pay. Your resume doesn't mean spit to most employers.
I am highly skilled and unimployed. Employers for low paying jobs are intimidated by me and won't hire. At all. Higher paying jobs get thousands of applicants, and need only one.

I am not alone. There are thousands like me all over the area, and the country. We gave all of our jobs to other countries. We passed laws like the "right to work" laws, that had sneaky little clauses in them that allow employers to drop their paying wages dramatically.

Head west!!! Our newspaper is FULL of jobs paying double to tripple your$9-$10hrs.

If you live in the "Oil Patch" and dont have a job, your an idiot...... Swallow your pride, and come out to the patch, its fun just to sit and watch the morons sometimes.


Todd S.

[gjm4l]

I saw the show, I liked it enough to keep watching it. But it's a bummer because it's a little vague on specifics like how to can, or how to make the windmill generator. Then there's the poor guy on the last episode I saw who blew his thumb half off. I'm sorry the only malfunction he had was a BRAIN malfunction if indeed he put his finger over the muzzle of a loaded gun as they said, jammed or not..... I don't remember what he was shooting but I sort of thought at first it was a revolver and he had his thumb across the cylinder when he fired but that still user error.

50yrs ago heck even 20 when I was a kid everybody was a "prepper" I remember having to help my family take care of the farm every single year. We had an entire house on the farm that was FULL of food from the crops. Canned everything stocked up in every room, entire basement was a root cellar. My entire family, uncle's, aunt's cousins, all helped because we all lived in the same neighborhood (about 40 acres of family property in the mountains) That is just how it was, use the farm to make food for family (not to mention firewood, etc.) Before I was born they had cattle up on the mountain and grew tobacco to sale but even LONG after that food for the family, extended and all was still grown just because it was sensible.

Now it's making a big return to the limelight like it's some big new thing. For urbanites, yes sure it is. But if you didn't grow up in the middle of the city just ask your parents or grandparents, about growing your own groceries and why they did.

I'm not bashing anyone as I am not prepared. I have guns but those have been with me since the farm. I enjoy shows like doomsday preppers and best defense (they did a series on this kind of stuff) because sometimes they have useful stuff for the newly urbanited such as myself. I still dream of property but until then.....

As far as the end of the world sure all that stuff is plausible but unlikely. The theory of it will end in december cause the mayan calender says so, might happen but I'll put it like I think of it.

Anybody think that when the Mayans made their calender a they figured that in a couple thousand years when it was getting close to running out they would make the time to update it for a few thousand more years??

[shermbodius]

I think it is a good show but as far as the city dwellers are conserved, they may be in trouble. I live out in a small town on a few acres. I think it would be a real tough spot to be stuck in a large city with no power or water after a few days. Just my thoughts.

[kryptonitecb]

Anybody think that when the Mayans made their calender a they figured that in a couple thousand years when it was getting close to running out they would make the time to update it for a few thousand more years??

No no its much more plausible that they knew the world would end. So you all should prepare for the world to end in a few months. Quit your jobs, give me all your stuff and just sit at home waiting for the end to come.
Sent from the road while ignoring traffic

[87xlranger]

Maybe they just ran out of room, have you guys seen it?

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTv64qjfOPX5YBaKXJbTAKMDiRiEyoUf wHAqVl-LacGlluIiBkw

Looks busy to me LOL.

Troy.

[Jim Oaks]

Wow! The pandemic lady is a fricken nut case!

Nothing like making your daughter-in-law sit behind plastic while the rest of the family eats dinner on national TV.

The family looks so miserable.

[Sunk]

Maybe they just ran out of room, have you guys seen it?

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTv64qjfOPX5YBaKXJbTAKMDiRiEyoUf wHAqVl-LacGlluIiBkw

Looks busy to me LOL.

Troy.

Hmmm, I've never seen this this before but I have an issue; It's a circle, and circles don't end...

:icon_twisted:

[87xlranger]

Hmmm, I've never seen this this before but I have an issue; It's a circle, and circles don't end...

:icon_twisted:

HAHAHAHA! True. :icon_thumby::icon_rofl:

[UpStandingMember]

I think the show is really interesting. And I am learning a few things from the shows. We already have a garden here at the house, and I hunt every fall with bow, muzzleloader, and modern rifles and shotguns. The handguns are for backup. I like the bus idea, but I've got too many projects to get done already.

[ES894x4]

But it's a bummer because it's a little vague on specifics like how to can, or how to make the windmill generator.

food network and science channel are your friends, or you could just google it.

[kryptonitecb]

I think the show is really interesting. And I am learning a few things from the shows.

I'm learning who I need to look for in my area so when it all starts rolling downhill I can ransack their house.

[mad hatter]

thinking preperation is never a bad thing but with that said maybe these people take it to the extreme. Do like the episode that show one mans gun safe!

[DoctorPhate]

www.ZombieSquad.com

If you guys are interested in prep thats where to be. MOST of the people are sane individuals planning for natural disasters that require up to 1 month food supply. There are some nut jobs hording guns and ammo in underground bunkers and they think there will be some kind of massive collapse.

My question is.. if the USA collapsed you think the rest of the world would just let it fall into lawlessnes? No.

FYI US mortgage default rate right now is 9.1% Canadian for comparison is 0.01%

[hoosier1104]

I have watched a few episodes. The general principle behind what they are doing is good; however, if someone wants what you have they will find a way to take it. I figure if I depend on my training and what I have learned from my father I should be good to go. You can only isolate yourself for so long before someone finds out where you are at. Being able to be self sustaining is key.

Also having enough ammo is key as well. I figure once I have about 9-10k rounds of ammo per each firearm I own should last me about 4 yrs.

[dangerranger83]

I have been watching the show (have all of them on my computer) and it has really opened up my mind to the point tha I am becoming one now.

Only thing is, where to start? I do have my guns and building up ammo and what not for all of them and also learning more canning/jarring skills and basiclly taking in everything that I can and go from there.

I do hope what they say at the end of the shows that they hope poeple think they are crazy, I hope something doesnt happen, but seems like mankind takes everything for granite now a days, if something did happen, it wont be long before the sh!t does hit the fan.

[unoleisu]

Since my last post, I have been hired by a company taking interest in my past confined space, high angle rescue experience, as well as my class A CDL. So I'm a "rescue heroe" again. Oh, and HAZMAT as well. Anyhoo......
The OIL patch is very hard on you, your family, (incase you want to stay married) and much more dangerouse than it seems. I have plenty of friends to attest to that. A job is a job, depending on the quality of life you want now, and in the future.
KEEP IN MIND that the oil jobs are temporary. Once the wells are drilled, the layoffs begin. We've seen it here in OK many times, and it continues it's cycle. If your working it, or thinking about it, save everything you can, to buy time to your net job. Guys, the economy isn't getting better like the news says. Think about it, EDUCATE yourself, and make the best decisions you can for the future.
You're a grown ass man. Act like it.

[Ranger Kip]

technically speaking, its like September of 2013 if you take away daylight savings, so we are already past the 2012 think, and I do believe you can survive with a stash. I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere, Im safe =) no floods, tornados, tomatoes or landslides can get me!!!! (or volcanoes or earthquakes). Thank god for living on the top of a steady and wooded hill!

[--weezl--]

You realize that daylight savings takes an hour and then gives it back a few months later, right? It doesn't take an hour twice a year...

This means that in a 365 day year, we have 363 days that are 24 hours long, 1 day that is 25 hours long, and 1 day that is 23 hours long, it all averages out to 24.000000000 hours per day

Now if you're talking about leap years, that is different


Sent from somewhere naughty!

[FrankBoss]

I've seen a little of the DDP show and took in a little here and there. not bad but enough to make me want to know more about being prepared. I often think of parent and grandparents.

My Grandmother often often horded can goods and dry goods in the shelves and I as a kid thought it was a waist of money and time. She would go to the store and come back with a can of this and little bag of that. and in the make shift pantry it went. She didn't drive and she would walk to the store and get the goods and walk back home when one of her friends with a car didn't have a chance to take her.
In my twenties I changed gears on the attitude on her quest to stock the shelves with goods was her exercise to be out of the house and with people... And she never complained about being with out. but she always had her stock.
Now for what I wasn't seeing in her method. She rotated her stock... new cans went to the the back and the older product went to the front. If more was used than normal it would be replaced with the exact amount that was there before. if she had too much it was shared with the elderly neighbors or youth charities drives.
She lived through the depression and she lived in a poor little town on the edge of a desert and a reservation. the winters were hard and the summers were hot. and she kept this up till she just couldn't get around any more. it was a method she learned from time past when walmart style stores wasn't on every corner. When times got hard she had enough to feed family. when the weather was harsh(and it did often) we knew she had provisions. Prepping is nothing new... the reasons are different for everyone.
But if you think of the stories than make it sensational rather than the lessons that make it sensible. you probably wont prep.
I asked her once why she had all this stuff.. She told me it was her "providence" so she would be able to spend as much time with her loved ones rather than going to the store when they visited.

Be prepared.
FrankBoss

[clifford97]

i saw one episode and the one guy on it seemed like he was just putting on a show, his plan was to bug out to the middle of the desert for target practice? not sure why he would take his kids to the desert but ok. and he wanted this done in under 40 mins, so what does he do, starts the timer after hes already on the road... after he has his family load up the trailer that should have been already loaded. well in the process of trying to show the country that he is a good parent and how good his kids are at shooting a .22 he ended up shooting HIMSELF! now this was a while ago so i may have some details wrong but that was pretty much what i saw. so in a SHTF situation i would just follow him and his trailer, wait for the family to inevitibly shoot themselves based on their fathers great leadership, and take their stuff:D

i also remembering the other two on the show but this guy was the dumbest thing i have seen. also i felt that everyone on there had major holes in their planing, execution, and all around narrow minded as to what "IS" going to happen.

[clifford97]

here you go...

http://youtu.be/Qth1k962_9A

[Carlos Murphy]

Much of the crap you see on that show is dictated by the producer, having a fat guy stalking in his backyard wearing a Gilli suit and holding a AR-15, a guy hiding in a spider hole under a small wooden door in the middle of a dirt road waiting to get run over and so on.
Anything to make some of us look like morons just for entertainment.

[adsm08]

I liked the guy growing all his own food who said he would not buy a gun or shoot someone to defend himself, his family, or hos food supply.

I know where I am going for food.

Postin' from teh Galaxy

[doorgunner]

I liked the guy growing all his own food who said he would not buy a gun or shoot someone to defend himself, his family, or his food supply.

I know where I am going for food.

Postin' from teh Galaxy


Now ads_...think about it....
that's how the Pilgrims stARTED out....
then they had Thanksgiving Dinner with the Wild Injuns......
then the guvment took over to protect the Pilgrims.....
and somehow......the Indian Wars got started....

and now we're programmed to devour the innocent along with the guilty....(God said that first)

just reminiscing........ :shok:

[85_Ranger4x4]

I liked the guy growing all his own food who said he would not buy a gun or shoot someone to defend himself, his family, or hos food supply.

I know where I am going for food.

Postin' from teh Galaxy

Gonna be a bunch of fat and happy critters around there too. :icon_idea: