v8 swap questions

[88mudder]

I was just thinking about the 4x4 shifter on a v8 c4, its alot different than a stock b2 shifter to engage the tcase. How does the c4 shifter connect to the 1350 case?

I was thinking of using a c5 from a ranger and just swapping in a c4 tailhousing and output shaft. Is that all that is required? Ive read tech articles but wanna make sure with a few ppl before i do it.

[Mutant Pony]

They did put c-5s behind v-8s as well. Nobody makes aftermarket parts for a c-5. I'm pretty sure a c-4 bell and t.c. will bolt to a c-5. I have both here-i could try it. Most people use the c-5 tailshaft and housing on the c-4.

[JohnnyO]

Memory is fuzzy, but a long time ago I had a V6 T-bird with a C5 that ended up needing rebuilt and I think a C5 is just a C4 with a lockup convertor and OD.

[88mudder]

will the ranger c5 bolt directly to a 302 or will i need to swap in a c4 bellhousing?

[projectnitemare]

There is a little swapping you have to do. A C5 is pretty much a C4 with a lockup converter. A RBV C5 tailshaft will bolt on a C4 with no problems at all. To make a Ranger C5 work with a 302 you will need a C4 converter, bellhousing and valvebody. You can then use a standard fullsize t-case extension housing or the RBV housing. When I use a C4 I used an aftermarket shifter. Easy to hook up and no linkage problems to work with.

Matt

[88mudder]

There is a little swapping you have to do. A C5 is pretty much a C4 with a lockup converter. A RBV C5 tailshaft will bolt on a C4 with no problems at all. To make a Ranger C5 work with a 302 you will need a C4 converter, bellhousing and valvebody. You can then use a standard fullsize t-case extension housing or the RBV housing. When I use a C4 I used an aftermarket shifter. Easy to hook up and no linkage problems to work with.

Matt

thanks. Would it be best to buy a c4 trans for parts (converter, valvebody, and bellhousing) or buy the parts seperate? I found some valvebodies on summitracing.com but it seems i could buy a whole trans and get it all cheaper.

[88mudder]

i have a question about using a v8 c4 with Advance Adaptors plate. With the stock b2 4x4 linkage, it bolts from the trans to the 1350 t-case, . With the v8 c4, will my current stock linkage bolt to the side of the c4? If it doesnt, what linkage works? Thanks!

[projectnitemare]

Your stock linkage should work. The AA kit consists of a different extension housing for the C4. The shifter location should be adjusted so that you can use the stock shifter. The shifter doesn't actually attach to the transmission itself but rather the tailshaft housing.

Matt

[88mudder]

Your stock linkage should work. The AA kit consists of a different extension housing for the C4. The shifter location should be adjusted so that you can use the stock shifter. The shifter doesn't actually attach to the transmission itself but rather the tailshaft housing.

Matt

alright sweet, thanks for the fast reply. Very helpful board!

[COPPERHEAD85]

as far as the tranny goes.....................b&m........easy to put in..i got a mega shifter on ebay for 50 bucks or so

[projectnitemare]

I agree, use an aftermarket transmission shifter. Cable pulled, no linkage to worry about. Easy to hook up and has a better shift than a stocker. I used a B&M prostick, was around $150 new. I loved it, reverse lock out, positive shifts to each gear. I wish I never sold it when I got rid of the C4 because I will be buying another one if I decide to use a C6.

Matt

[88mudder]

i would rather had a mustang t-5 trans with the AA adaptor plate but havent heard of anyone doing it. Anyone ave any info on a t5 swap? What needs to be swapped in to make it work?

[projectnitemare]

You won't find an AA adapter plate, at least a new one. The have stopped making them from a few years now. The guys who have them want a golden price usually. There is a way to use chevy t-5 parts to convert it over but they aren't going to be V8 spec parts. Probably the strongest and cheapest way to use a t-5 is to use a divorced t-case. Use the t-5 as is, then a little driveshaft to a divorced t-case (dana 24 is the most common ford one but there is an NP205 as well), then the front and rear driveshafts. Your other 5 speed choices are the M5OD-R2 from the F-150 or the ZF found anywhere from the 150 to the 450.

Matt

[88mudder]

thanks for the info..i think ill stick with the automatic since there's more options.

[88mudder]

i might actually run a np435 or something else because i already have the clutch pedal in it. What all needs to be done to hookup a manual trans? Im new to this. Is it worth it vs an automatic?

[projectnitemare]

The only thing you have to remember is that those are truck transmissions and they wont' shift fast like a T5 or an automatic with a shift kit. Some of the older trans like the NP435 or the T18 or 19 are shifted with a fork, you can convert it to hydraulic easily. The M5ODR2 is almost identical to the M5ODR1 in the ranger and the Ranger's stock clutch line will plug right in.

Matt

[88mudder]

i found this to find out what trucks has the M50DR1 and 02 trannys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_M5OD_transmission. I think i might have the M50DR1 in my truck right now because i know its a Mistubishi trans and its a 5 speed. Will this trans hold up to a v8 with an adaptor plate or should i get a M50DR2 out of a f150 or bronco? Will my stock hydraulic clutch line work? I think its similar to the ranger's line.

[projectnitemare]

Correct, the straight 6 and the 302. Reguardless it is the same transmission because they both have the SBF bell pattern.

Matt

[88mudder]

sounds like an easy swap with the M5ODr2. What is a good t-case to use in combo with it? np205? I have a bw1350 but i dont believe the spline counts are the same.

[projectnitemare]

The NP205 or 208 is good. The 208 is a little of a tight fit but with some very minor trimming on the case and at most 1/4in on the bottom of the frame and it fits well. The 205 fits as is but it is extremely heavy and has a poor 1.96:1 low range, but it is super tough.

Matt

[88mudder]

this has probabally been said in other forums but i want to ask. Im just trying to get alot of info for my best option. I heard about converting a T-5 ford trans to hydralic. I may go this route and get the adaptor + external slave.

What t-cases will bolt to the T-5? Would i have to swap in a special tail housing + a 4x4 shifter to make work? Too bad AA doesnt make the adaptor plate anymore.

[projectnitemare]

There are a few options. Look for the AA kit, if you can find one. Try to use chevy t5 parts. I don't have any info on that one. Lastly and probably the cheapest. Use a divorced t-case. You can use the stock T5 as is, a tiny driveshaft and the t-case and crossmember. The most common you will find is a Dana 24 which will be fine for a V8. If you really look you can find a NP205 as well.

Matt

[88mudder]

oh man this t-5 adaptor is really hard to find! Thanks for all the info. Ill prolly run a m50d-r2 or ZF if i cannot find a t-5 adaptor.

[projectnitemare]

Yeah the T5 adapter has been discontinued for a few years now. Sometimes you can get lucky on ebay but sometimes it will cost an arm and a leg too. If you want this thing to shift like a mustang I would use the T5 and a divorced t-case. My ZF shifts like a school bus, I can shift pretty fast if need be but it's a pretty long throw. If you look for a divorced t-case you need to look in the older stuff, like 60's and 70's. There is nothing wrong with using one, judt build a strong crossmember.

Matt

[wahlstrom1]

Off topic a little bit, but did you need to rework the tranny tunnel or body much to fit the ZF under there or did it just fit in kinda tight? I've heard a few different answers and your setup looks to be the closest to mine.

-andrew

[88mudder]

how does the 4x4 shift linkage work on a divorced case? Is the lever only connected to the case itself?

[Mutant Pony]

If your '88 has a mitsu trans the line won't fit the m5od. Mitsu and Mazda are two different companies. The line for an m5od will fit your master cyl and may fit the m5od r2 if it is the right one.
The 4x4 shifter for a divorced transfer can be done a lot of different ways. The one in my pinto uses a bearing mounted in the side of the tunnel. The transfer is a NP205.

[projectnitemare]

From what I recall all the hydraulic internal slave lines use the same connection. They all have to interchange, my reason being is I'm still using a stock Ranger line (Mitzu FM146) with my ZF. It hooked up fine and the ZF was an option to replace the M5ODR2. I haven't worked on an R2 in a while but from what I remember it is the same deal. There are a few ways to shift a divorced t-case. You can use a cable if you wish or you can adapt the stock linkage to fit. As for my ZF. I really wouldn't want to try it without the 3in body lift. I had to englarge the hole where the shifter is to get a few things in. Even with the body lift the shift tower is still above the tunnel. In the future I'll able to tell you how well it doesn't fit without a BL when I remove mine. I would imagine the whole tunnel would need to be cut and raised to make it fit.

Matt

[88mudder]

bought an AOD trans out of a 90' Bronco, makin some progress.

[v-8power]

Make sure you get the TV cable adjusted properly before you try and drive it. It'll smoke your tranny in no time.

[projectnitemare]

That's a good start. The TV linkage can be a real pain to adjust at time but it definitely not something to be overlooked.

Matt