The Mustang is about to be the only kid on the block

[Chapap]

Challenger, Charger, and Camaro are being shut down at the end of next year. That leaves a couple Nissans, Vette, Miata and some German cars as competition… and none of those are really in the same class. Is the Mustang soon to go too? Chrysler is doing it I guess to focus on electric? Do they even have any electrics? Wonder how long they’re going to stick to this 2035 deadline before they decide not to hand the market to their competitors on a silver platter. The Camaro wasn’t doing well, but may have done better without the challenger out there? What are cops going to drive?

 

[Roert42]

Interesting.

Didn't hear GM and Fiat were discontinuing their muscle cars.

Surprised to hear about the Fiat ones, out of all the automakers they seemed to be taking the IDGAF route as far as emissions goes.

 

[Roert42]

Maybe I'm just use to Ford completely changing the mustang every few years. It doesn't seem like GM has changed the looks on the Camaro since they started selling them again in 2010, just small stuff.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Charger/challenger/300 are going away so they can switch thd plants to EV production.

Answer for the Mustang:

Meet the Dodge Charger Daytona SRT: an EV That'll Kick a Hellcat's Ass

Muscle car aficionados take heart: the future of electric cars from Dodge is mean, menacing, and loud. Proof: The Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Concept which teases

www.motortrend.com

And as of now Chrysler/dodge/jeep/ram have a couple plug in hybrids (pacifica/4xe Jeeps) but no pure EVs.

But Stellantis is a big company that has ev's under other nameplates that can and probably will cross over to cdjr if needed.

 

[superj]

hopefully they are more dependable, ha ha ha

 

[stmitch]

Chrysler spent a lot of money developing a new twin turbo inline 6 cylinder to be used with hybrid drivelines:

Hurricane Twin Turbo I-6 to Power Next-Gen Charger, Ram 1500

New Hurricane inline six-cylinder engine comes in two flavors, packing 400 to 500 horsepower depending on the vehicle.

dodgeforum.com

They also talk a lot about "electrified" models quite a bit which is industry code for "hybrids" without using the dreaded "H" word. You can see Jeep's plan with similar verbiage, where they plan to "electrify" their entire lineup by 2025 and yet somehow they plan for 50% of sales to be all-electric by 2030:

Jeep Will Electrify Entire Lineup, Launch 4 EVs by 2025

This includes the Wagoneer sub-brand, where the company says "4xe is the new 4x4."

www.cnet.com

Stellantis has a similar goal for just 50% of American sales to be BEV (fully electric) by 2030:

Our Vehicle Platforms

Stellantis vehicle platforms are designed to support a wide range of powertrains - including internal combustion engines, hybrid and electric - across multiple vehicle segments globally.

www.stellantis.com

Considering that, I'd be fairly surprised if you can't get some sort of Dodge car with an ICE for a few more years. It's probably going to be a hybrid of some sort, perhaps with full EV as the top trim or distinct halo model. The key is to read through the marketing stuff and realize that "electrified" does not necessarily mean "100% EV" or "all electric/BEV".

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Chrysler spent a lot of money developing a new twin turbo inline 6 cylinder to be used with hybrid drivelines:

Hurricane Twin Turbo I-6 to Power Next-Gen Charger, Ram 1500

New Hurricane inline six-cylinder engine comes in two flavors, packing 400 to 500 horsepower depending on the vehicle.

dodgeforum.com

They also talk a lot about "electrified" models quite a bit which is industry code for "hybrids". And their goal is for 50% of American sales to be BEV (fully electric) by 2030:

Our Vehicle Platforms

Stellantis vehicle platforms are designed to support a wide range of powertrains - including internal combustion engines, hybrid and electric - across multiple vehicle segments globally.

www.stellantis.com

Considering that, I'd be fairly surprised if you can't get some sort of Dodge car with an ICE for a few more years. It's probably going to be a hybrid of some sort, perhaps with full EV as the top trim or distinct halo model.

Hurricane is their answer for the ecoboost and whatever gm calls theirs.

Aside from a soft hybrid like the hemi etorque I doubt they will go into a hybrid.

Their main goal is to replace the 5.7 hemi with them eventually.

The engine is rather huge and 4-500hp ice isn't really neaded for a hybrid.

Very interesting how they split the head to put twin turbos on them. I look forward to seeing one in real life.

 

[stmitch]

Hurricane is their answer for the ecoboost and whatever gm calls theirs.

Aside from a soft hybrid like the hemi etorque I doubt they will go into a hybrid.

Their main goal is to replace the 5.7 hemi with them eventually.

The engine is rather huge and 4-500hp ice isn't really neaded for a hybrid.

They seem to be either hedging their bets, or playing coy because none of the info I've found is clear cut either way. For what it's worth, the third bullet point in the press release issued by Stellantis when they unveiled the engine says
"-Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 designed to account for potential future integration with electrification for low-emission vehicles (LEVs)"

Stellantis Media - Stellantis Debuts Hurricane Twin-turbo I-6 Engine That Cuts Emissions, Increases Fuel Economy And Is More Powerful

Stellantis today revealed its new, 3.0-liter, twin-turbo, inline, six-cylinder engine, named Hurricane, that delivers better fuel economy and fewer emissions than larger engines while at the same time generates more horsepower and torque than many competitors’ naturally aspirated V-8 and boosted...

media.stellantisnorthamerica.com

It may just be E-Torque. It may be something more substantial. It may never happen at all. But it seems like they have at least put a plan together for that possibility. And it would make financial sense for them to spread the engine costs out over as many vehicles as they can for as long as they can.

Other interesting/relevant statements from that same press release:
- "The Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 is the primary internal combustion power plant of the future in North America for vehicles using the STLA Large and STLA Frame platforms." (STLA Large is the platform that underpins the EV Charger Daytona concept...)
- "The 3.0-liter Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 shares design features, including bore and stroke and cylinder spacing, with the globally produced turbocharged 2.0-liter I-4. In North America, the 2.0-liter engine is currently available in the Jeep® Wrangler, Wrangler 4xe, Cherokee and recently launched Grand Cherokee 4xe." (Mentioning the similarities with the 2.0/4xE combo seems random unless they're foreshadowing similar hybrids)

In their overall "electrification strategy", they mention that the 4 upcoming STLA platforms will be "BEV Centric", which again sounds like marketing speak to me for hybrids with some full BEV models in the mix:

Our Vehicle Platforms

Stellantis vehicle platforms are designed to support a wide range of powertrains - including internal combustion engines, hybrid and electric - across multiple vehicle segments globally.

www.stellantis.com

 

[bobbywalter]

There are developmental fuels that produce emissions acceptable and allow for ice....there are ways to crack hydrogen as well. The plastic batteries have some hope...but batteries are filthy for fleet use.

Hydrogen and synthetic fuels will keep mopars roaring for many moons to come.

 

[superj]

those are some wide engines for being inline. they look like v engines. i wonder what that square looking box is on the side

 

[stmitch]

those are some wide engines for being inline. they look like v engines. i wonder what that square looking box is on the side

Water to air intercooler

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

They seem to be either hedging their bets, or playing coy because none of the info I've found is clear cut either way. For what it's worth, the third bullet point in the press release issued by Stellantis when they unveiled the engine says
"-Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 designed to account for potential future integration with electrification for low-emission vehicles (LEVs)"

Stellantis Media - Stellantis Debuts Hurricane Twin-turbo I-6 Engine That Cuts Emissions, Increases Fuel Economy And Is More Powerful

Stellantis today revealed its new, 3.0-liter, twin-turbo, inline, six-cylinder engine, named Hurricane, that delivers better fuel economy and fewer emissions than larger engines while at the same time generates more horsepower and torque than many competitors’ naturally aspirated V-8 and boosted...

media.stellantisnorthamerica.com

It may just be E-Torque. It may be something more substantial. It may never happen at all. But it seems like they have at least put a plan together for that possibility. And it would make financial sense for them to spread the engine costs out over as many vehicles as they can for as long as they can.

Other interesting/relevant statements from that same press release:
- "The Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 is the primary internal combustion power plant of the future in North America for vehicles using the STLA Large and STLA Frame platforms." (STLA Large is the platform that underpins the EV Charger Daytona concept...)
- "The 3.0-liter Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 shares design features, including bore and stroke and cylinder spacing, with the globally produced turbocharged 2.0-liter I-4. In North America, the 2.0-liter engine is currently available in the Jeep® Wrangler, Wrangler 4xe, Cherokee and recently launched Grand Cherokee 4xe." (Mentioning the similarities with the 2.0/4xE combo seems random unless they're foreshadowing similar hybrids)

They just rattled off the applications of the 2.0 and love to namedrop the 4xe.

On the dealer side they seem to mainly be buiding up the hurricane to bump the hemi.

Like you say, after that who knows. But so far usually hybrids use fairly small engines.

For a hybrid 1500 sized critter I would think the 3.6 v6 would suffice being much lighter/smaller/cheaper.

 

[doorgunner]

Maybe I'm just use to Ford completely changing the mustang every few years. It doesn't seem like GM has changed the looks on the Camaro since they started selling them again in 2010, just small stuff.

Let's hope the Mustang doesn't (d)evolve into a Name-Only generic car as it did in the'80s & '90's.

 

[Blmpkn]

4-500hp ice isn't really neaded for a hybrid.

Edit: shit... no... not false. The p1 has like 700 ice hp lol

 

[Roert42]

Let's hope the Mustang doesn't (d)evolve into a Name-Only generic car as it did in the'80s & '90's.

“Too late”. -Mustang Mach E