Beef52751
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Where can i screw in a 3/8 pipe thread for my coolant temp switch to activate my E-fan???
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Temp. switch for E-Fan
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there is no prevision for any other sensors on the 3.0
my advice, go to home depot and get some brass fittings and hose barbs to adapt to one of your 5/8th heater hoses
my advice, go to home depot and get some brass fittings and hose barbs to adapt to one of your 5/8th heater hoses
Beef52751
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where are the heater hoses that i can adapt to???
Just put a T in it??
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Just put a T in it??
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the heater hoses go to the firewall.
you need to find the inlet hose, the hotter one.
you need to find the inlet hose, the hotter one.
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The heater hoses may not be such a good idea. I beleive they only flow when the heater is selected (noitce the vaccum actuated valve just before the fire wall??). However, you may be able to adapt a brass coupler to the temp sensor couplings located just forward of the thermostat housing?? The temp sensor are not in the coolant stream but in a collection area just forward of the T-stat.
Beef52751
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if the sensor for the temp gauge is there it would probally be fine i think, Thanks
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Beef52751
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how do the fans on taurus' turn on and off???Do they have a sensor or run all of the time???
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Wicked_Sludge
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in the taurus, the fan has a dedicated sensor. the taurus is set-up for an electric fan, so it has sufficient provisions for temp sensors. the ranger does not.
"T"ing off a temperature fitting is a bad idea as you will likely trap a pocket of air in the T and both sensors will be dry, causing them to read low. the only way to safely do this would be to sacrifice your temperature gauge sensor for the fans sensor, but i wouldnt reccomend that either.
"T"ing off a temperature fitting is a bad idea as you will likely trap a pocket of air in the T and both sensors will be dry, causing them to read low. the only way to safely do this would be to sacrifice your temperature gauge sensor for the fans sensor, but i wouldnt reccomend that either.
Beef52751
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ok...... so what are your feelings on the probes that fit in between the radiator fins??? Sounds like garbage to me but i dont think that i got much choice....
Where is the provision in the taurus?? is it in the block???
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Where is the provision in the taurus?? is it in the block???
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Wicked_Sludge
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im not a huge fan of the external probes, but they do seem to work.
its been a while since ive been under a taurus. i dont recall where they mount all their sensors. the newer years might actually be controlled by the PCM, in which case they would use the PCM's temp sender. IIRC, earlier generations had the sensors mounted in the heater core hose (thats the setup my escorts use)...but as was mentioned, this wont work with a truck equipped with a heater core shutoff valve.
e-fans add too much extra unreliability to the system IMO...whats wrong with your factory fan?
its been a while since ive been under a taurus. i dont recall where they mount all their sensors. the newer years might actually be controlled by the PCM, in which case they would use the PCM's temp sender. IIRC, earlier generations had the sensors mounted in the heater core hose (thats the setup my escorts use)...but as was mentioned, this wont work with a truck equipped with a heater core shutoff valve.
e-fans add too much extra unreliability to the system IMO...whats wrong with your factory fan?
McCormack
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I've seen just as many reports here on the boards of Ranger fan clutches failing as I have of e-fans failing. Don't forget that a heavy fan and clutch hanging on the end of the water pump shaft puts stress and strain on the water pump bearing and seal, and who knows how many water pumps have had their life shortened because of that. The serp belt will also last longer without the additional load of the fan on it.
So if you add it all up, it might just be a wash as far as reliability between the stock fan and an e-fan... but with an e-fan you get quieter operation, better acceleration, and better fuel mileage. And besides that, modding our trucks is fun.
Wicked_Sludge
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ive never had a water pump fail before 100,000 miles...or about 10 years for the average driver. $15 every 10 years is perfectly reasonable.
the serpentine belt turns the water pump wether there is a fan there or not. it doesnt know or care if theres a mechanical fan attached to it. and running an e-fan rather than an m-fan only moves any "wear" the belt would see from the water pump pulley to the alternator pulley.
my escorts both have e-fans. when they kick on you can hear them running over the roar of the surrounding traffic. even while towing, my mechanical fan is quieter than a sufficiently sized e-fan.
you dont get better mileage from an e-fan either. look into the law of conservation of energy if you dont believe me.
when mechanical fans fail, 90% of the time they fail in such a way that they are locked in the full on position. this will not cause perminent damage/overheating/stranding the driver as will a failing e-fan:
the serpentine belt turns the water pump wether there is a fan there or not. it doesnt know or care if theres a mechanical fan attached to it. and running an e-fan rather than an m-fan only moves any "wear" the belt would see from the water pump pulley to the alternator pulley.
my escorts both have e-fans. when they kick on you can hear them running over the roar of the surrounding traffic. even while towing, my mechanical fan is quieter than a sufficiently sized e-fan.
you dont get better mileage from an e-fan either. look into the law of conservation of energy if you dont believe me.
when mechanical fans fail, 90% of the time they fail in such a way that they are locked in the full on position. this will not cause perminent damage/overheating/stranding the driver as will a failing e-fan:
Beef52751
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ok.... Guess what, im still bull headed and im gonna put the E-fan on... I understand the pros and cons, ive done my share of research... im not gonna go throw away my M-Fan, ill just put it with my other pile of Ranger "Goodies". Its more for expieremental purposes than anything. I was wondering about drilling into the "neck" of the thermostat housing, and just tapping that?? Figured if i screw it up another housing isnt that expensive.
Think that woul work??
Thanks for all the input guys, even though we are kinda beating a dead horse when we talk about E-fans.
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Think that woul work??
Thanks for all the input guys, even though we are kinda beating a dead horse when we talk about E-fans.
Beef
McCormack
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ive never had a water pump fail before 100,000 miles...or about 10 years for the average driver. $15 every 10 years is perfectly reasonable.
You're kind of missing the point I was trying to make... it isn't whether you personally have or haven't had a water pump fail before 100,000 mi (and you're blessed that you haven't... but many others have), it's the fact that there's the potential that the water pump will live a bit longer without a heavy fan and fan clutch attached to it.
the serpentine belt turns the water pump whether there is a fan there or not. it doesnt know or care if theres a mechanical fan attached to it. and running an e-fan rather than an m-fan only moves any "wear" the belt would see from the water pump pulley to the alternator pulley.
I disagree... there are no free lunches in this world, and even when declutched a mechanical fan still spins (they never fully declutch), and it takes energy to make the fan spin - both in a steady state, and to accelerate and deaccelerate it. That energy comes from the engine's crank pulley, and the energy is transfered through the serp belt to the fan. Remove the fan from the water pump and the serp belt then won't see the additional load of the fan on it, and you'll save some wear and tear on the serp belt.
my escorts both have e-fans. when they kick on you can hear them running over the roar of the surrounding traffic.
Rangers aren't Escorts, and on the boards Ranger owners have repeatedly reported that although they can faintly hear their e-fans running with their vehicles stopped, out on the road they can't hear them at all. This has been my own personal experience as well.
even while towing, my mechanical fan is quieter than a sufficiently sized e-fan.
Ranger mechanical fans are notoriously noisy, and you're the only one that I've ever heard make the claim that their Ranger's mechanical fan was quieter than their electric fan... which brand and size of e-fan did you have on your Ranger? And why did you take it off and put your mechanical fan back on?
you dont get better mileage from an e-fan either. look into the law of conservation of energy if you dont believe me.
Sorry, I'm not all that smart that I'm going to be looking into the law of conservation energy, but my common sense tells me that if my mechanical fan is always running and my e-fan is not, then it's going to take more engine energy to run my mechanical fan than it will my e-fan. The saving of engine energy equals better gas mileage, and my before e-fan and after e-fan gas mileage readings confirm that in the real world I am in fact getting better mileage... it's not a huge jump, but in today's day and age I'll take anything I can get. In addition to my own personal findings, other Ranger e-fan users have posted on the forums that they too are getting better gas mileage after converting to an e-fan.
when mechanical fans fail, 90% of the time they fail in such a way that they are locked in the full on position. this will not cause perminent damage/overheating/stranding the driver as will a failing e-fan:
The vast majority of vehicles sold in the last ten years or so have come equipped with electric fans, and seeing as the roadsides aren't littered with vehicles that have had their e-fans fail, perhaps e-fan failure isn't quite the issue that you think it is. And believe me, a mechanical fan failing and going through your radiator is going strand you every bit as much as an e-fan failure will.
Apologies for the dead horse beating and the length of this post.
You're kind of missing the point I was trying to make... it isn't whether you personally have or haven't had a water pump fail before 100,000 mi (and you're blessed that you haven't... but many others have), it's the fact that there's the potential that the water pump will live a bit longer without a heavy fan and fan clutch attached to it.
the serpentine belt turns the water pump whether there is a fan there or not. it doesnt know or care if theres a mechanical fan attached to it. and running an e-fan rather than an m-fan only moves any "wear" the belt would see from the water pump pulley to the alternator pulley.
I disagree... there are no free lunches in this world, and even when declutched a mechanical fan still spins (they never fully declutch), and it takes energy to make the fan spin - both in a steady state, and to accelerate and deaccelerate it. That energy comes from the engine's crank pulley, and the energy is transfered through the serp belt to the fan. Remove the fan from the water pump and the serp belt then won't see the additional load of the fan on it, and you'll save some wear and tear on the serp belt.
my escorts both have e-fans. when they kick on you can hear them running over the roar of the surrounding traffic.
Rangers aren't Escorts, and on the boards Ranger owners have repeatedly reported that although they can faintly hear their e-fans running with their vehicles stopped, out on the road they can't hear them at all. This has been my own personal experience as well.
even while towing, my mechanical fan is quieter than a sufficiently sized e-fan.
Ranger mechanical fans are notoriously noisy, and you're the only one that I've ever heard make the claim that their Ranger's mechanical fan was quieter than their electric fan... which brand and size of e-fan did you have on your Ranger? And why did you take it off and put your mechanical fan back on?
you dont get better mileage from an e-fan either. look into the law of conservation of energy if you dont believe me.
Sorry, I'm not all that smart that I'm going to be looking into the law of conservation energy, but my common sense tells me that if my mechanical fan is always running and my e-fan is not, then it's going to take more engine energy to run my mechanical fan than it will my e-fan. The saving of engine energy equals better gas mileage, and my before e-fan and after e-fan gas mileage readings confirm that in the real world I am in fact getting better mileage... it's not a huge jump, but in today's day and age I'll take anything I can get. In addition to my own personal findings, other Ranger e-fan users have posted on the forums that they too are getting better gas mileage after converting to an e-fan.
when mechanical fans fail, 90% of the time they fail in such a way that they are locked in the full on position. this will not cause perminent damage/overheating/stranding the driver as will a failing e-fan:
The vast majority of vehicles sold in the last ten years or so have come equipped with electric fans, and seeing as the roadsides aren't littered with vehicles that have had their e-fans fail, perhaps e-fan failure isn't quite the issue that you think it is. And believe me, a mechanical fan failing and going through your radiator is going strand you every bit as much as an e-fan failure will.
Apologies for the dead horse beating and the length of this post.
Beef52751
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No apology needed, all opinions are welcome, lets just talk this out and get the facts on the table, lets not turn it in to a pissing match.
McCormack, how did you set your fan up, off of a sensor or on all the time the ignition is on???
Beef
McCormack, how did you set your fan up, off of a sensor or on all the time the ignition is on???
Beef
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