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sho motor swap?


broncobuyer

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will an sho motor out of a 90, the yamaha version work in a ranger, it should be the same bolt pattern as the 3.0 right. at 220hp it would be a killer swap.
 
This question comes up over and over.

Yes, it makes 220hp, but the engine has to go to 7grand to make that power.

So unless you have BOTH 4.35 gears AND tiny tires the power is nearly useless.

You like the idea of "power" but what you really want is "torque"

what I keep pointing out is that the 3.8 "split port" engine used in
the Windstar minivan and the later 3.8 powered mustangs before the switch to the 4.0SOHC) makes only 5hp less than the SHO engine, but does it at HALF the rpm.

In other words it makes a bunch more torque.

Yeah, the Yamaha built SHO looks cool when you open the hood,
and sounds cool when you shift it at the rev limiter, but looks
and sound don't equal "Fast" or "quick"

Either a 2.3 Turbo or a 5.0 has room for improvement to make even more torque (and power) than the SHO does.

The 2.3Turbo can be into the mid 260hp range with a few lengths of
vacuum line and a needle valve purchased from your local aquarium supply.

Honestly I'd use a mustang 3.8 split port backed by a supercoupe transmission in a Ranger in a NewYork minute.

If someone gave me a 3.0SHO engine I'd sell it to some dreamer.



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The 2.3Turbo can be into the mid 260hp range with a few lengths of
vacuum line and a needle valve purchased from your local aquarium supply.

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details on this 'mod'?
 
a sho motor is a pain in the ass to get any work done on. they require alot of maintenance that usually requires a tech to complete.
 
details on this 'mod'?

He's talking about a manual boost controller. Needle valve proportions/restricts pressure to the wastegate actuator which then opens/closes the wastegate according to how much pressure is at the manifold, thus controlling boost. Without a MBC (or restrictor pill) the actuator will run boost at spring pressure (which is usually low, ~7-9psi). MBC's are typically 'home depot' mods because the materials needed are so common/simple.
 
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The SHO engine would be a great swap for a ranger.The Taurus that it comes in is about the same weight as a ranger and as a previous owner of a couple Taurus SHO's and after installing one in a 5 seater sandrail I can tell you first hand that if you think that the ranger would be slow you better think again. I have put my 90 SHO up against many of mustangs and they do get the jump on me and then after that watch out becuse that little SHO engine winds fast and I will be pulling on you by mid second gear. Stock for stock the SHO will beat a 85-95 mustang 5.0. I am not dogging any one here just stating my dealings with these engines.If you have a 3.0 or 3.2 SHO engine I say do it and SHO every doubter out there whats its all about.:icon_thumby:
 
AllanD is not saying Don't do it or its Impossible, he simply states its not practical. It really depends on your application. If you have a 4x4, you don't want this setup cuz you have almost no low end torque. If you have a 2wd daily driver that hauls no loads, it would be a decent choice as the yamaha engines do get moderate to good mpg, if you have an all out track truck, it would be great as high rpm's is where this engine perfoms. Personally, I would like to do this swap, but for my applications (4x4 and 2wd lowrider occasionally pulling/hauling loads), its not practical, twin turboing my 4.0 (or twin turbo 5.0L swap) and turboing my 2.3 are practical and doable...Each to his own though
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Well after doing a 3.0 SHO in a sandrail and personally driving it I would say that it has quite a bit down low to. It would be a way better swap then doing any 2.3 turbo or not. The sand rail I did was built to run at the dunes and it would pull the front tires and ride wheelies and yes I know its a rail but it was a 5 seater and the rail weighed alot. (I would agree that it might not be the best bet for a 4x4 but dont rule it out for anything else). We turboed it later on and that thing was a FN monster. Here is a couple of pics of the rail so you can see I am not just blowing smoke.

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In a taurus with a lower 1st gear, a 3.94 axle ratio
and 24" tires the show motor is "fun" but a 3.8 Taurus with 145hp stock will pull out ahead two carlengths before the SHO engine "gets happy" and starts to move the car,
shortly after that the SHO taurus passes the 3.8 car like it's on jackstands.

Comparing your sandrail to ANYTHING is a waste of bandwidth.
That thing probably weighs less than HALF what a base ranger does.

a Lightweight vehicle makes torque less important.

How much torque do you think an F1 engine makes?
Consider that they spin to 18,000rpm (2009-up formerly
some engines went to 22,000rpm) and the car weighs
1335lbs (605Kg)...

Yes, the SHO makes 220hp, but while it more torque than
a 3.0Vulcan engine it doesn't do it until the engine is at 4800rpm
1800rpm HIGHER than the vulcan engine does it.

and comparing the 200ft/lb of torque of a SHO engine to a 4.0OHV?
The 4.0OHV is making 200ft/lb by 1200rpm 3600rpm lower than the SHO...

add to this that the SHO still would be using a 9" clutch, how happy do
you think that clutch is gonna be trying to make a Ranger on 29" tires move?

"about the same weight" true, but the comparison doesn't take into accoun all the differences.

Remember that there is a very small list of vehicles that have equal aerodynamics
than a 1st gen taurus and fewer still that are materially better, and that list includes second generation taurus/Sables and third gen Taurus/Sables

So most of the capability of the taurus to get good mileage with that engine
are due not to the engine installed but the lack of aerodynamic drag

Then we have rotational inertia of the drivetrain... lets not go there on
a taurus/ranger comparison... it's just plain ugly...

Through all the discussion IF someone has made a SHO pwered Ranger
they haven't bothered to discuss it HERE where real tech gets discussed.

Not to start a board war but if you want a tech discussion at any other
internet ranger site you either get a discussion of "my mechanic is better
than your mechanic" OR you get directed to come to TRS to ask it...

So any serious honest discussion of the merits, pros and cons of a SHO engine
in a Ranger ain't gonna happen anywhere else.

BTW, the reals erious fans of the SHO engines have mostly either left
them in their original chassis or put them in something lighter....
not something the same weight with the aerodynamics of a brick.
and upwards of three times the drivetrain rotating inertia.

I think if you want to bust your ass putting a twin cam V-engine into a Ranger
that you should instead focus on the 4.6Liter DOHC V8 used in Lincolns.

Personally? I've got a Gen4 frame lined up to put under my '93 Supercab
and I'm looking for a '93-94 4.6DOHC Lincoln Mk8 engine.

Boo freakin hoo, the EEC4 '93-94 LSC engine only makes 280hp
instead of the 290hp of the '95-98 version of the engine...

in an AWD Ranger (5.0AWD Explorer T-case) it should be a laugh riot.

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It should be noted that engine's should not be simply compared in an across the board, rpm to rpm scale. Saying motor A makes X amount of X, Xrpm sooner than motor B isn't really saying much. Simple answer is becasue of gearing.

Say you have a motor (A) that revs to 5500rpm makes peak power at 5000rpm and peak torque somewhere near 2000rpm.

You then have motor B that revs to 7000rpm, makes peak power above 6000rpm and peak torque above 2500rpm.

Both motors make identical peak torque and horsepower numbers. Lets call it 200hp and 200lb-ft of torque, it doesn't really matter for our purposes however. Ratio's scale with whatever numbers you plug in.

Now based off the above information, many would say motor A is superior simply because it revs 25% lower to accomplish the same force and amount of work. In reality motor B is capable of getting everything motor A is capable of doing and more by simply gearing it 25% lower (higher ratio).

I'll give an example in a 'crawling' context. 1st gear (3:1 for simplicities sake) 1:1 transfer, 4:1 rear end (again simplicities sake). Trolling along at the motors torque peak at full load, 200lb-ft@2000rpm. Wheels are turning at ~166rpm (~16mph on 33" tires) and there is 2400lb-ft of torque at the contact patch. Pretty substantial right?

Now lets take motor B, same scenario, different gearing to take advantage of its different power band. 3:1 first gear, 1:1 transfer, 5:1 (25% lower) rear. Again, rolling along at its torque peak (2500rpm) at full load. We want to match motor A's 'crawl' speed (166rpm at the wheel) and hopefully have just as much, or maybe more torque.

We end up with the same wheel speed as motor A but the motor is putting out 3000lb-ft of torque at the tires.

The reason the higher reving motor puts out more torque is simply becasue by making its peak torque 25% later, it is making 25% more horsepower at its peak torque rpm, thus it can do more work. We could gear motor B to make as much torque at the wheel as motor A but it would end up 25% faster at that new ratio.

Obviously more than just peak torque and power numbers would determine which of the above motors are more capable offroad. Such as the rest of its powerband, available gearing, engine longevity and fuel mileage at 25% higher rpm through its lifetime, etc.

The point is, you cannot simply disqualify an engine becasue of the rpm at which it makes its peak numbers. Gearing is the great equalizer, if a motor makes the same torque at a higher rpm (either peak or throughout the rev range), you can gear that motor to make more torque at the wheels for a given speed due to the higher horsepower produced. Sure the engine will spin faster the achieve this by virtue of its higher rpm nature. But that is simply the nature of the beast. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

I'll also contest AllanD's assertion that engine torque is more needed by heavier vehicles, and lighter vehicles don't need as much torque. Gearing works no matter what a vehicle weighs. Its possible to put a low torque, high horsepower motor in a heavy vehicle and have it perform the same as a high torque, low horsepower motor. The inverse can be said for a light vehicle. gearing makes it possible. What counts is torque at the wheels, which can be attained more ways than one.
 
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+1. Very well stated.
 
there are practical limitations to gearing, because unlike a manufacturer
or major race team we can only work with what is available off the shelf.

and this applies to both the transmission and rear axle gearing.

And the basic nature of reduction gearing is that there is a point
where more reduction makes one of the gears small enough that it fails.



The fact is that the SHO makes it's peak torque not at 2500rpm as
you give in your example, but rather at 4800rpm which is actually
above the rev limit rpm of most later 4.0OHV engines, 200rpm above
the power peak of the 2.9 and 200rpm below the power peak rpm of
the 3.0 vulcan

There are limitations to what you can do.

I'll keep saying it. no matter how you slice it the 3.0SHO engine
is not the best choice for a swap into a ranger from any perspective save one...

Buzzword factor, with something else you can't say you have
a SHO engine.

I suppose there is also that cool looking upper intake,
but frankly I think that is not sufficient reason.

OTOH you use the torque every time you get the truck rolling...

Torque isn't only about movement, its about power regulation, a peaky engine starts behaving like it's on and off...

This can make cornering "interesting"

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Allen you must be an engineer to have figured all this out and have done your research on these engines. Wow great job dude!!! Now while you are a doubter of this swap or these engines becuse of your engineering backround you can say all you want and show all your figures that you have and while you are doing that the people in the real world are building diffrent things using these SHO engines and having great results and having fun with them. Have you ever owned a SHO or even built anything using this engine??I am glad that we have engineers out there so us people out in the real world have people to laugh at. Good luck out there and keep posting your facts so we can keep laughing. I am out and will not reply to this thread anymore........Mike.
 

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