rear drums part deux

[bobbywalter]

It's good therapy to swing at it with all your strength for a bit; even if there's no progress

your in texas...


odds are you will understand when i say....i am an old rig hand. so breaking 48's 60's and wearing out hammers is a daily thing....

but its as easy to get fawked up doing that as running the grinder.... but far more likely with the grinder, so there is that.

 

[19Walt93]

i have only have had to push the stop lever out on huge stuff.

for thes little guys my normal spoons have no problems going both ways....and my bronco has drums front and rear. the times i have pushed it back is because they were froze solid and never moving....but its worth a try.... so the 10 minutes with a grinder is the default for this situation. now....i will beat the fawk out of it 10 min per side just because....but thats all it gets.

If you can rotate the wheel backwards without pushing the adjuster lever back, either the lever is rounded off or the teeth on the wheel are worn.

 

[bobbywalter]

If you can rotate the wheel backwards without pushing the adjuster lever back, either the lever is rounded off or the teeth on the wheel are worn.

the higher count stars should go both ways. easy out of course and resistance back in.

course stars definitely bite and may need to be pushed back. the larger axles like d 80 and up

i am sure you have dealt with how much of a pia the old bronco front axles are....kick in the ass to adjust them quickly. there is a particular spoon that works good on those. you will need to make a tool if you have to back it off and its stuck on the adjuster lever.


where and how you engage the wheel is the trick.

 

[19Walt93]

the higher count stars should go both ways. easy out of course and resistance back in.

course stars definitely bite and may need to be pushed back. the larger axles like d 80 and up

i am sure you have dealt with how much of a pia the old bronco front axles are....kick in the ass to adjust them quickly. there is a particular spoon that works good on those. you will need to make a tool if you have to back it off and its stuck on the adjuster lever.


where and how you engage the wheel is the trick.

If the wheel will rotate both ways the self adjuster won't work. I worked as a mechanic from 72-82 so I'm familiar with drum brakes.

 

[bobbywalter]

If the wheel will rotate both ways the self adjuster won't work. I worked as a mechanic from 72-82 so I'm familiar with drum brakes.

it works fine. they have always worked that way. i know this because i have 60s axles too. so that was what you were working on. it dont easily move....you have to use the spoon to force it to roll. but it will roll. brand new. the larger and course ones hold pretty good though. but those are not the style on rangers.

 

[bobbywalter]

so....i went out to the bronco to see what exactly it is that is going on. used several tools to see if there is a variance..


the 2 turn spoon does push on the arm. you have to go in at an angle and that is what i do and only get a short i click sweep to slack off....

so you are right.

if a guy is using a straight blade centered on the wheel or a just a big flat head its going to be brutal to turn. on that d44 axle using two drivers is a mofo....

ettiquette and technique is a thing.

the 9 inch are hard but turn with the flat part of spoon. they move grabbing above the center and pushing which is forcing the arm to bind over and lets it slack off.... it wont do it with a normal screw driver as you cant get a bite that high but i rarely use a screwdriver....and usually bumping the rear ... and not dialing it in like you have to in the front and play with them to stop straight.



which is a non stop battle.

absolutely suk to deal with.

 

[Shran]

A lot of drums that come into my shop are seized onto the axle shaft or the center bore where the shaft goes through to center the drum. Sometimes you can stick a pry bar between the backing plate & drum and pry outwards while smacking the shaft with a hammer. Sometimes they require a lot more force. Often there is such a large ridge of rust that you can't make the shoes small enough for the drum to slide over them... at that point the drum and shoes are both very hard to save unless you are dedicated.

I've tried clipping off the two pins but that created way more problems than it was worth. The shoes that got hung up on the rust ridge were much more stuck and rather than fighting the friction material, I was fighting that plus the rest of the springs. So be aware that cutting those off CAN make it easier, but it also has the potential to be a much bigger can of worms. That drum came off in about 20 pieces and I was very tired and extremely angry by the end of that ordeal.

 

[bobbywalter]

Watch bronco brake adj | Streamable

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A lot of drums that come into my shop are seized onto the axle shaft or the center bore where the shaft goes through to center the drum. Sometimes you can stick a pry bar between the backing plate & drum and pry outwards while smacking the shaft with a hammer. Sometimes they require a lot more force. Often there is such a large ridge of rust that you can't make the shoes small enough for the drum to slide over them... at that point the drum and shoes are both very hard to save unless you are dedicated.

I've tried clipping off the two pins but that created way more problems than it was worth. The shoes that got hung up on the rust ridge were much more stuck and rather than fighting the friction material, I was fighting that plus the rest of the springs. So be aware that cutting those off CAN make it easier, but it also has the potential to be a much bigger can of worms. That drum came off in about 20 pieces and I was very tired and extremely angry by the end of that ordeal.

absolutely. but when they are that bad. takes less then 5 min with a cut off wheel.

 

[bobbywalter]

this vid shows the roll back and how it is actually harder to adjust the brakes tighter then slack off on this particular application. you need a specific spoon to make it easy. which i dont know where that thing went to but, it was not in the bronco box. i assume it fell out of a rust hole...just happy it did not take out a tire

you can actually swap the adjusters left to right and put the lever to the inside so they are easier to apply....as that is usually what you do most.

but then they are hell to back off so i just went back to normal. they come apart for repack often due to mud and deep water. those brakes are only 2 years old. and whooped.



point being...the fine stars work both ways. with just a good spoon. provided they are not covered in rust to the point they dont move.

and that.....is a for sure thing in detroit you will encounter.

Watch bronco brake adj | Streamable

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this bolt was new in 2018.

 

[97ranger22bronco]

so...I cut the pins and now there is some wiggle on both sides, however the drum is still not turning nor does it want to come off..I sprayed a bunch more PB Blaster around the front for good measure but no dice so far.

Any other ideas at this point?

 

[97ranger22bronco]

Besides taking a cutting wheel to the drum itself? I'm not looking to save it; I got replacement drums, shoes, and hardware stacked and ready to be put on.

Or perhaps something like this? https://www.harborfreight.com/8-in-three-jaw-gear-puller-63952.html

 

[sgtsandman]

Are you able to back off the star wheel on the adjuster?

 

[97ranger22bronco]

Are you able to back off the star wheel on the adjuster?

I've tried and nada...I couldn't push it up

 

[sgtsandman]

I've tried and nada...I couldn't push it up

As a thought, it is possible that they were installed backwards. Will they turn the other way?

 

[97ranger22bronco]

As a thought, it is possible that they were installed backwards. Will they turn the other way?

Nope