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randallmain

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well, i am about to either SPEND money and ruin my day, OR save a bunch...and not on my car insurance. I have decided that if i use washers to shim my Trak-Lok tighter, it will in effect act like having added more friction plates. Any and all thoughts appreciated.
 
the additional plates increase the effective friction surface and consequently the amount of torque it can transfer before it slips, so no. I always shim them so that the cross pin will only just fit.
 
Correct washers are measured thickness, and will tighten the torque transfer. Other washers will ruin the effectiveness of the whole system.
 
Welllll,
I've added shims/washers to a stock open diff and created a homemade lsd with no problems,twice, once with a 9" behind a 429 c.i. and once in my d-28. Sooo,
I can't see why you couldn't use the same idea with your system.

Good luck,
Richard
 
You can try running it without friction modifier, that should help.
 
While it would SEEM that shimming the T-L tighter would necissarily increase grip...

And it does increase "preload"... but preload doesn't mean "grip"


You need to understand that the spring and preload aren't the prime motivator
of generating that grip.

If you look at the shape of the axle & spider pinion gears you'll notice that the teeth are curved, it is the relationship of the curved gear faces that create a camming action.

What literally happens under load is that the preload creates a little resistance and that cause s the curved teeth to try to wedge themselves away from each other and add additional crush to the friction discs.

If you shim it TOO tight the unit will seem "tighter" under light load, but under
heavy load will actually not grip as well

Thus my previous comments that engineering specs that specify torque bias are whistling inside a tornado.... because their figuires are based on facts that in the
real world can only be guessed at...

as traction an wear (and torque applied by your right foot) vary so does the potential grip of the clutches.

They work.

Some will say that lockers work better...

I'll say that either limited slips or lockers try to make both driving wheels on an axle turn together.

but there are imes when both wheels turning won't do shit.

I've personally had a NON-"high centered" 4x4 completely stuck on more or less "level ground" with locked diffs at both ends....

How? Ice cqn be very unforgiving and all the torque you put to your tires won't do shit if the tires won't grab.

this is why I own chains:)

AD
 
You can try running it without friction modifier, that should help.

Running it without friction modifier will also make it chatter. I've seen broken gear teeth and the lugs ripped off of the friction plates from running them that way.
 
i DEF WOUldnt run without the friction modifier. I would sell your TL and try a new brand if your not satisfied. And Alland what I wouldnt give to get inside your head with a printer. Or at least see a technical diagram of your brain the in the tech section LOL,.
 
so0oo...even the articles about putting more OE friction plates/shims inside are pretty much shit? Good to know. It actually goes like a monster now, just thought maybe a little tweaking could add a bit. I'm a cronic tinkerer! On that note, i'll just buy new Trak-Lok rebuild kit.
Thx to all for the good info.
 
Running it without friction modifier will also make it chatter. I've seen broken gear teeth and the lugs ripped off of the friction plates from running them that way.

Bullshit.

he only purpose for friction modifier is to make it grip less and eliminate the clutch chatter

eliminating the clutch chatter is done for ONE reason only....

To prevent soccer moms (or their male equivelents) from coming back to the dealer and ask "what is that annoying noide when I park at the mall?"

a limited slip that chatters is one that WORKS
a limited slip that doesn't, isn't working as well as it could


I run a T-L and I haven't put friction modifier in any of my limited slips in atleast the past decade.

BTW, if you are one of those lucky people with a Dana Track-lok limited slip in the front of an early
Ranger/or bronco2 dana 28 axle? don't bother with friction modifier.

the same for those guys out there who luckily have a Dana 44 Limited slip (rare factory equipment)
in F150 and FSB's also don't bother.

Because the DANA limited slip doesn't use friction material at all! BOTH discs, The "Flagged" frictions
and the splined "plates" are bare steel... friction modifier is to make the organic coated friction plates
less grippy and since the dana units have no friction material...


AD
 
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Welllll,
I've added shims/washers to a stock open diff and created a homemade lsd with no problems,twice, once with a 9" behind a 429 c.i. and once in my d-28. Sooo,
I can't see why you couldn't use the same idea with your system.

Good luck,
Richard

this is really intresting to me, could u please explain it?
send me a Pm so we wont hjack the thread :icon_thumby:
 
Bullshit.

he only purpose for friction modifier is to make it grip less and eliminate the clutch chatter

eliminating the clutch chatter is done for ONE reason only....

To prevent soccer moms (or their male equivelents) from coming back to the dealer and ask "what is that annoying noide when I park at the mall?"

a limited slip that chatters is one that WORKS
a limited slip that doesn't, isn't working as well as it could


I run a T-L and I haven't put friction modifier in any of my limited slips in atleast the past decade.

BTW, if you are one of those lucky people with a Dana Track-lok limited slip in the front of an early
Ranger/or bronco2 dana 28 axle? don't bother with friction modifier.

the same for those guys out there who luckily have a Dana 44 Limited slip (rare factory equipment)
in F150 and FSB's also don't bother.

Because the DANA limited slip doesn't use friction material at all! BOTH discs, The "Flagged" frictions
and the splined "plates" are bare steel... friction modifier is to make the organic coated friction plates
less grippy and since the dana units have no friction material...


AD

Well, first off, thanks for calling me a liar. What do you suppose happens when the chattering plates hammer the friction plates back and forth in the grooves in the carrier? Yup, it cracks the ears off of the plates. I can't say for sure if the broken side gear teeth are due to the chatter or if the ears from the plates took a run through them on their way to the bottom of the housing. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've seen it multiple times with my own 2 eyes. And the customer always says "Its been chattering around corners for a year or so since I had the fluid changed at the quickie-lube" or something to that effect.
 
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