Local Ford dealer tried to stick it to me.

[Northidahotrailblazer]

So with more kids on the way. Currently have 2.5 year old twin boys and a 3rd due in march of the new year. We plan on having another also. The 2012 F150 just wasn't big enough for what is coming. Anyways, my parents wanted my F150 so I sold them it and the wifes uncle had a 2015 Buick enclave, 3rd row all wheel drive SUV. They sold it to us for a good deal considering the used car market right now. It was the wife's deal, I told her its her car. If see wanted something other than a Ford to leave me out of it. For the Buick being sold as an old person friendly car its not user friendly. My 15 F250 is easy to navigate through the radio, or anything really. The 12 F150 was a little harder but not bad. But anyways, The Buick isn't a bad car, Its just not what I like. And after driving it for a few months, we figured out its not big enough either. Super hard to get a car seat in the back. Just not what we thought it was going to be. So we had some time to kill and I drove through the Local ford dealer and sure enough a guy came right out. We talked told us what we were looking for and why. He did the normal salesman stuff. They had just got a 2020 expedition in the day before. Wasn't cleaned yet, they were going to clean it monday. So it wasn't like they were trying to sell us something that wasn't ready to go. They were going to want around 43K for it. It was the max edition so pretty much loaded with 82K on it. I really didn't think it was a bad deal. Everything is a lot these days and the brand new one they had was 75K next to it. So I really didn't have an issue with the deal. So that leads us back to the Buick. We got it for 10K. My wifes uncle had a offer from the chevy dealer to buy it back for 12k. So I new what the dealer should pay for it around. I wasn't thinking I had some amazing car that everyone wanted. Well the First offer they gave me was 5k for the car.... and I got up and put the kids in the car and the wife was dealing with them. I came back in and they had came up to 6k for the car and wanted another 1k down for 3k down total.... Me being very angry at this point. Went up to the wife and salesman, said We are not going to do a deal where I have to roll negative equity on a car that they were going to put on there lot for over 15K... The salesman changed is tone 100%. We weren't some retards. I gave the guy an earful on how couldn't believe that the local small town ford dealer that bought my 4h pig at the county fair was screwing locals over that bad.... I understand there game right... I get it, But they were trying to stick me with negative equity on a car they would make around a 10k profit on.... Maybe it got under my skin too much because earlier in my life, I made a bad deal and It took me alot of years to dig out of that hole I put myself in and the ford dealer where I was living at that time, helped me out a lot and helped me out of that hole somewhat. Still had to pay more for a few years, but yeah. So back on to the deal. The guy came back with an offer of 8k for the car. I told him to pound sand and we were leaving. And from the back room the sales manger came out and offered $10,500 for the car and payments would be $800 bucks. Me being just really just angry that this all went down like this. Told him what I thought of mike white ford and If they had just gave me a fair offer in the beginning I would of made the deal. But I told the guy you guys straight up tried to screw us. And No deal you come up with now is going to make that ok and I shook his hand and walked out. Is this a normal thing for today??? I really don't feel like I was asking for a lot. I understand the game but maybe I shouldn't of got so angry, but I really bothered me how they were easy to try and sell you that negative equity isn't a big deal and to not stress about it. And when I told the guy that negative equity is a huge deal and watched his attitude change. It just really bothered me. I'm not saying they should of gave me pay off right away but being that I had a paper offer from the chevy dealer across the street for 12k and they have the same car, same mileage across the street for sale for 15k to 18K.... We where straight up with them on what we owed on it, before any deal ways talked about. If they had came to the table with around a 9k offer and thats where the back and forth would of started that would not of made me angry.... This happened a two weekends ago and it still raised my blood pressure thinking about how it all went down.

 

[Uncle Gump]

It probably would have happened very similarly at just about any dealer you went too.

Used cars have always been a game of buy low and sell high.

It just never sets well with me either.

 

[James Morse]

43k sure seems like a lot for 83k miles vehicle but that's me.

 

[RonD]

Reads like a newer or bad salesman and he couldn't "read the room" after talking with you and your wife
He was just going thru the "script" which may have worked for him on most sales in the past
But a good salesman needs to know when to go "off script" if they want to make the sale, he obviously didn't


I would look at what it would cost to rent a larger SUV for a few weeks
Then list and sell the Buick SUV
Use some of that money for the rental and then shop around

Trade-ins are a roll of the dice for dealers, especially if they are not Fords in this case, lol
So offers will start low, its not an insult, just a practical "start of the script" with a vehicle of unknown value(they don't know if engine has a knock or transmission is slow to engage)
What would you offer on any vehicle you didn't drive or research?

 

[JohnnyO]

The other thing I think is that there is still a relative shortage of new vehicles so dealers are incentivized to make as much from each car as possible since 1) they have less vehicles to sell and 2) they know you can't go to the dealer in the next town and bargain on the same vehicle.

The big Ford dealer where I got my Ranger has a crap-ton of 4-door F-150's on the lot but almost nothing else. When I got my Ranger it was the only one they had on the lot, luckily it was almost exactly what I was going to order anyway, even the color was right.

Just before the pandemic I read that Ford was going to have less inventory at the dealers and move more toward special-ordered vehicles. That's fine but you have to get customers their vehicles in 4 to 6 weeks like the old days and not take 6 months to a year.

 

[superj]

Thats why i dont talk to american auto dealers to much anymore. Mazda does ok and nissan bends over backwards to sell stuff. Thats why i am looking at armadas and qx80s to trade into from my titan.

 

[rubydist]

The rest of that story is that Nissan and Infiniti nowadays are pretty crappy and people don't really want them, so when the Nissan/Infiniti dealer finds a live one they do whatever they can to close the sale. Kinda like why Ram when to 0% and big rebates on their trucks while Ford and GM dealers couldn't keep theirs on the lot without any incentives, people only buy Rams when they can't get what they really want.

 

[superj]

Nah, the titan, armada, and frontier are great vehicles and nissan is putting regular geared transmissions back in the oathfinder so they will be back to being great suvs.

He cars, could be good, could be bad. No idea because i dont do cvt.

Infinity is the same. Solid vehicles if they are normal transmissions. Cvt, its your call on those

 

[superj]

The frontier and titan are rated more dependable than their toyota counter parts, from what i have read in the cars mags


But i cannot wait for my ranger to come home. The titan is for road trips amd the ranger is for everything else

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Kinda like why Ram when to 0% and big rebates on their trucks while Ford and GM dealers couldn't keep theirs on the lot without any incentives, people only buy Rams when they can't get what they really want.

Most people I deal with at work seem pretty content with them. If the Hemi wasn't going away next year I would consider one for my next dd.

 

[superj]

All the guys with rams where i work wont look at any other brand. They love them

 

[19Walt93]

I've never bought a vehicle as a retail customer and I'll probably get throw out of the place when I try. Before Blue Oval brought the D plan, my dealer sold cars to employees at cost and I would sell my own instead of trading. The one time I traded, I looked up the trade in value in NADA.com. My vehicles are well maintained and the maintenance is documented in the manual so they should be worth the top trade in price, I picked the next level down to be fair because I did not have any summer/all season tires, only the snows. There are several price levels with add ons or deductions for options or condition.
Ford products were always worth more to us for trade ins because that was primarily what our customers were looking for. Vehicles that are slow to sell cost the dealer money. I assume every dealer would favor the brand they sell.
I don't put much weight in vehicle 'ratings" especially from Consumer Reports. Consumer Reports philosophy is : American bad-foreigh good and I'll never swallow that. I read an article on MSN this week about reliabilty ratings- GMCs were rated much lower than Chevys and the difference is trim and the inflated price the GMC buyer paid.

 

[superj]

Its funny, not in a good way, how the magazine ratings are affected by who donates the most money.

Thats why so many places list nissan as last. They don't donate to magazines and stuff.

Hyundai ranks high but have had an engine recall for luke 12 years on all models. The tacoma ranks well but has a very known engine leak issue that requires the engine to pulled and the tundra had a frame recall for like 16 years worth of trucks but is always ranked high.

I would get an f150 but they just cost to much. F150 and ranger are my favorite trucks but the f150 is just so crazy priced for the different trim levels

 

[James Morse]

Vicky has an '01 Lexus RX300 maybe not what would suit the OP, doesn't have 3rd row seats, don't know if it was an option. At almost 270k miles it's all good, and very luxo inside. Her dad gave it to her so the price was right. I had front brakes and timing belt done on it.
She went for inspection at Jiffy Lube and they said the kid that put on the front brakes put them on with the hoses twisted so they had to take them off and un-twist or they wouldn't pass it. Also had to replace I believe one of the sway bar joints/bushing/whatever. $300 which is a total rip off if you ask me and that's why I never go to Jiffy. Personally I don't see the "twisted" brake hoses as a problem as she's driven probably 10k with it like that. I never go to Jiffy but if that's her choice it's an argument I stay out of. She called me about it from there and I told her just do it. Otherwise you are driving with a red 'failed' sticker on it which isn't good for long and you still have the issue (if it really was an issue). So - as they probably figure - you're over a barrel and the easiest/quickest thing all around is just do it. Blah.
All that aside those old RX's seem like a nice vehicle if one can accept the age and miles I think they can go for a long time. My one mechanic I trust pretty much said 'hold onto it' and I agree.
That probably doesn't help a lot but just a thought.

Local Ford dealer here has zero Rangers and 41 F-150 which includes 3 Lightning. There's a couple dealers here, I just checked one quick but I suspect that's typical.

 

[Northidahotrailblazer]

I need an expedition or excursion. I have to have the room. The wife will not drive a mini van. lol and I really don't want to work on one so, i let that one go as a good thing. haha I really should just buy an early 2000s excursion. I just really don't want a V10 or the 6.0 but 7.3 ones they just want so much for. But thats what i'm about down to. Its just hard to find one that doesn't have 300k on it thats not rough.