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In 1975 the average vehicle price was 4950

Now, in 2023 its 48,008.

In 2023, something that costed 4950 in 1975 would cost 28125.

According to google and an inflation calculator.
 
Plus the ads costed per word so you got a brief writeup not html pages of misleading crap.

$1 in 1970 equals almost $8 today and etc. for any year before now. It would take some maths, but I think in general if you normalize the dollars vs looking at the actual number, vehicles aren't really more expensive, or, not much.

But I still get blindsided by prices, you go to the grocery store, buy a few things like milk, eggs, bread, butter - maybe a small plastic bag or 2 of food - $50+. Used to be you couldn't even carry $50 of groceries without a cart.

I used to fly to Columbus OH every week for work, I'd get to the airport in time to get to the gate 5 minutes before they shut the door and walk on. Not so if I were doing it now.

I'm trying to think of things that I don't miss about the old days and I'm having a hard time coming up with any.
Needles are sharper now.
 
something i don't mis in the old days...... hmm, the phone cord tangling up at my desk at work. wait, we still have corded phones at work.
 
I'm trying to think of things that I don't miss about the old days and I'm having a hard time coming up with any.
Split Rims
Tube Tires
Tires wearing out in 25k miles
Open cab tractor/combine - thrashing oats in 90+F was absolute torture
Nailing by hand - power nailers are soooo nice

My kids and nieces got manual Rangers to learn on - you're so much better driver learning on manual and it reduces the ability to text while driving.
 
OK, good point, you did the maths. Sounds like the average price is higher now for vehicles.
It makes me think something is wrong with how they figure average inflation. Or else vehicles inflated faster than other things, but here's the thing, vehicle cost is usually a fairly good size chunk of expenditures so it should be weighted pretty heavily, so I don't get why there would be such a discrepancy.
Another way to look at it would be to look at the percent of income spent on vehicles vs average incomes then/now.
 
OK, good point, you did the maths. Sounds like the average price is higher now for vehicles.
It makes me think something is wrong with how they figure average inflation. Or else vehicles inflated faster than other things, but here's the thing, vehicle cost is usually a fairly good size chunk of expenditures so it should be weighted pretty heavily, so I don't get why there would be such a discrepancy.
Another way to look at it would be to look at the percent of income spent on vehicles vs average incomes then/now.


Corporate greed.
 
Um, ok, but what exactly does that mean? Corporations are owned by shareholders, in theory the average Joe can be a shareholder. The shareholders vote in a board of directors. They have power over basically everything. Like, how much do top execs get relative to the average worker.
Shareholders increase their wealth by 2 ways: dividends, or, selling the stock if its price goes up. Actual wealth is not increased by the stock price going up, that increases market cap, but that's just a fictitious number that says, if all stock were sold at the current price, it would yield x dollars. But it's not real money. If you buy stock at 11 and it goes to 15, you don't gain any actual dollars unless you sell it.
So why would shareholders want to pay out big bonuses and ridiculous top salaries, when my gut says there are very few people in the world who are the -only- ones who can do a good job making top level decisions for a company? It seems like shareholders would want to pay out the money, when available, in dividends, or re-invest in new plant, equipment, etc, or higher wages, and so on. Why don't they do that? I can only surmise that it's because the directors/top execs hold enough stock they can do these things. That's personal greed. Corporations are people.
I'm not an expert in this stuff but it sure seems like something is rotten in Denmark.
Probably a stupid idea, but what if a company paid decent wages for workers - and decent wages for talented managers, sure - and also paid in stock. Not options, but actual stock. Yes it dilutes the value of existing stock, but, then you have a situation where workers own part of the company, and logic says, they are going to try to do a good job on, say, assembly, because fewer defects means more sales and better profits, which impacts their dividends. Plus, they can sell the stock, or hold it for long term, and if it goes up in value so much the better for them.
Don't think I'm advocating for communism or nationalization of anything crazy nuts. It just seems like wealth increases for those already wealthy, and that money comes from somewhere, and that somewhere is from the people who already don't have enough to buy basic stuff people need to live.
Done rant for now.
 
A good percentage of new car prices are the electronic features. Cameras, TVs, beep boop radio stuff, heated license plate holders, automatic windshield washer alarms.

I think there was an article a while back that said on average the electronic features were about 40% of the cost of the vehicle. Higher for stuff on the luxury end less for entry level stuff.
 
... and that somewhere is from the people who already don't have enough to buy basic stuff people need to live.


This is a big reason why the average length of auto loans has doubled since 1980.

Shareholders win out of corporate greed too ya know..
 
OK, good point, you did the maths. Sounds like the average price is higher now for vehicles.
It makes me think something is wrong with how they figure average inflation. Or else vehicles inflated faster than other things, but here's the thing, vehicle cost is usually a fairly good size chunk of expenditures so it should be weighted pretty heavily, so I don't get why there would be such a discrepancy.
Another way to look at it would be to look at the percent of income spent on vehicles vs average incomes then/now.
Its mainly due to union wage increases, government "safety" regulation, and the ridiculious amount of stupid shit they pack into them.

A 2023 base model F150 has more features then a Lariat did even 20 years ago. Much less in 88 or 76
 
A F#@&!NG Ford Ranger.




We are going to have to review your man card for this Rusty......

This is just not gonna look good in the report....
 
Split Rims
Tube Tires
Tires wearing out in 25k miles
Open cab tractor/combine - thrashing oats in 90+F was absolute torture
Nailing by hand - power nailers are soooo nice

My kids and nieces got manual Rangers to learn on - you're so much better driver learning on manual and it reduces the ability to text while driving.
I still have all of those things.
 
I'd like 3 1975 models plz! :D
 

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