Update to a tech article - T5 behind a 2.9L

[Brain75]

On this page:

T4/T5 Manual for Your Ford Ranger 2.9 V-6 - The Ranger Station

Advance Adapters offered a conversion kit to mount a T5 manual transmission to your stock 2.9-Liter V-6. The kit used an adapter plate that went between the T-5 transmission and your 2.9-Liter bellhousing and used an internal release bearing (Ford# F1TZ7A-564A). … Continued

www.therangerstation.com

the only referenced vendor for T5 adapter (Advanced Adapters) has an update that says no longer doing the parts.

I found today that Modern Driveline sells both a complete package:

Transmission Display

Transmission Display: Modern Driveline, Inc.

www.moderndriveline.com

(which includes the T5 tranny for a whopping $4k), but after you get done building the package they show you all the part numbers and the adapter plate you can find in their catalog
MD-401-1101

Search ModernDriveline.com

Search our site: Modern Driveline, Inc.

www.moderndriveline.com

 

[Curious Hound]

We'll bring this to @Jim Oaks attention.

 

[JoshT]

@Brain75 The package you listed is for a T5 into a SBF swapped Ranger, not for a 2.9L V6 Ranger. The MD-401-1101 is a SBF bellhousing.

If anyone wants to try a T5 behind a Cologne in a Ranger, I'd suggest giving the 4.0L Mustangs a look. They may have a usable bellhousing.

 

[Brain75]

I actually did see the mustang - RonD posted this:
"
2005 - 2010 Mustangs used the 4.0l SOHC which has the same bolt pattern as 2.9l, and came with the tremec T5, maybe someone has swapped to tremec T56 or newer Magnum 6-speed
"
in this thread:

2.9 Transmission options

I've been pondering future mods for my 2.9, which is currently paired with a FM146. I know the M5OD is better, but are there other manual transmissions out there that will bolt on to a 2.9? I know, I'm probably dreaming, and the 2.9 probably wouldn't have enough torque for it anyway, but how...

www.therangerstation.com

and I came upon that Modern driveline by googling "T5 behind a cologne V6" - I would have swore all along each step of the page it said nothing about SBF, but yeah now that you say that I see it....

 

[Brain75]

I doubled back on Modern Driveline's webpage and came up with this using different terms:
MD-401-4060

Quick Time Bellhousing, Ford 4.0L V6 to Ford T5/TKO/TKX

Check out the deal on Quick Time Bellhousing, Ford 4.0L V6 to Ford T5/TKO/TKX at Modern Driveline, Inc.

www.moderndriveline.com

don't think that is the product I saw the first time, and I wouldn't know if that is the 4.0 OHV or SOHC from just the pic... it says "Ford 4.0L" for compatability and that is all it says...

at $1600 for just the adapter though that's kinda steep for my pockets.

 

[JoshT]

Yeah, I've discussed the Mustang bellhousing in several places over the last several years. I haven't attempted it and haven;t run across anyone else that has, so I don't like to do more than throw it out there as a suggestion. If my old 2.8L ever makes it into a new home I'll be finding out first hand.

Good find on the bellhousing, but that's way out of my price range too. Pretty sure I could put together a whole transmission package based around the Mustang bellhousing for that price.

 

[Jim Oaks]

I quit.




Seriously though...

There are 927 pages on this site. That doesn't include the forum (171,130 Forum Threads / 1,854,985 Forum Posts) or the 204 Featured Posts that are displayed on the front page.

After 25 years, this website needs an audit. I'm sure there are some pages that need to have the information updated.

The other thing is that there have been products that are no longer available, but I feel like we need to keep that information out there, but let people know that they are no longer available. This lets people know what might be out there somewhere sitting in someone's garage not being used, or if someone finds it used, they'll be able to find it here if they do a web search.

I don't mind updating pages when people send me the information. I just updated some info for @4x4junkie in regard to manual locking hubs.

I don't like the idea of our information being out of date, but the idea of going through 927 pages to see what needs updating is overwhelming!

I literally need a team of people that could take a section of the Tech Library and review the pages to see if they need updated and submit the changes that need to be made.

 

[snoranger]

I quit.




Seriously though...

There are 927 pages on this site. That doesn't include the forum (171,130 Forum Threads / 1,854,985 Forum Posts) or the 204 Featured Posts that are displayed on the front page.

After 25 years, this website needs an audit. I'm sure there are some pages that need to have the information updated.

The other thing is that there have been products that are no longer available, but I feel like we need to keep that information out there, but let people know that they are no longer available. This lets people know what might be out there somewhere sitting in someone's garage not being used, or if someone finds it used, they'll be able to find it here if they do a web search.

I don't mind updating pages when people send me the information. I just updated some info for @4x4junkie in regard to manual locking hubs.

I don't like the idea of our information being out of date, but the idea of going through 927 pages to see what needs updating is overwhelming!

I literally need a team of people that could take a section of the Tech Library and review the pages to see if they need updated and submit the changes that need to be made.

Oh great, just what we need… TRS fact checkers.

 

[SenorNoob]

It absolutely would have to be a group effort. Maybe archive the articles as-is, but also import them into a wiki system? Then users with a provable contribution could edit articles themselves.

I don't know much outside of my little niche but would be willing to help where I can.

 

[sgtsandman]

I doubled back on Modern Driveline's webpage and came up with this using different terms:
MD-401-4060

Quick Time Bellhousing, Ford 4.0L V6 to Ford T5/TKO/TKX

Check out the deal on Quick Time Bellhousing, Ford 4.0L V6 to Ford T5/TKO/TKX at Modern Driveline, Inc.

www.moderndriveline.com

don't think that is the product I saw the first time, and I wouldn't know if that is the 4.0 OHV or SOHC from just the pic... it says "Ford 4.0L" for compatability and that is all it says...

at $1600 for just the adapter though that's kinda steep for my pockets.

I think the bolt pattern on the OHV and SOHC is the same but I'm not 100% sure on that. I think they share the same lineage even though the block was modified to run the Rube Goldberg cylinder head design that the SOHC has.

 

[Curious Hound]

I quit.




Seriously though...

There are 927 pages on this site. That doesn't include the forum (171,130 Forum Threads / 1,854,985 Forum Posts) or the 204 Featured Posts that are displayed on the front page.

After 25 years, this website needs an audit. I'm sure there are some pages that need to have the information updated.

The other thing is that there have been products that are no longer available, but I feel like we need to keep that information out there, but let people know that they are no longer available. This lets people know what might be out there somewhere sitting in someone's garage not being used, or if someone finds it used, they'll be able to find it here if they do a web search.

I don't mind updating pages when people send me the information. I just updated some info for @4x4junkie in regard to manual locking hubs.

I don't like the idea of our information being out of date, but the idea of going through 927 pages to see what needs updating is overwhelming!

I literally need a team of people that could take a section of the Tech Library and review the pages to see if they need updated and submit the changes that need to be made.

I entirely agree that the old info needs to be available for people who either have trucks with those mods done or parts installed and for those who happen to find those parts to use.

 

[Brain75]

I can't disagree with Jim at all, he does need "a team of people that could take a section of the Tech Library and review the pages to see if they need updated and submit the changes"

This site's wealth of info wasn't generated by just one man, you can't expect just one man to maintain it. Not saying you need to release the reigns at all, just saying don't try to carry the world on your shoulders.

I for one would be happy to update whatever I can, but I'm very new and still consider myself quite novice... I started this thread not to add to Jim's burden, but to update some info on the whole T5/cologne combo. (I already added to Jim's shoulders twice now - my bad on both instances and I do apologize, I never intended to...)

 

[JoshT]

import them into a wiki system?

Considering how the real wiki goes, I think that might cause even more problems. No real way to curate the alterations. In the old days of wikipedia, edit wars were one of it's big issues. A system like that is open to anyone making or proposing changes. Can lead to mass chaos. Wikipedia seems to have mostly overcome those issues by locking down who could actually make edits. It's still very succeptable to inaccuracies and bias due to who is allowed to edit articles and their natural bias.

I see two possibilites of enstating a wiki. One is that you'll end up with a system that anyone is allowed to edit and as a result is worth nothing. The other is that you have a platform to make suggestions directly on articles, but it's still a huger burden on the allowed editors to verify and implement those suggestions. The first ends up with an essentually worthless database that eventually goes away due to management issues, or gets locked down, cleaned up and turned into the second. The second is an added expense that offers nothing over the current system. The way Jim does it now is essentially the same if people would do as Jim asks (and @Brain75 did) and make sugestions for articles or additions.

As stated above I don't think it's fair to complain about obsolete information or ask for it to be removed. If we only wrote about what's available new, 99% of the 83-11 tech would be removed because those trucks are no longer available new. The parts may not be available new any more, but that does not mean that they are not available. With salvage yards, classified sections, marketplaces, and ebay, one never knows what they might find. Also with the possibility and growth of at home fabrication and prototyping, a lot of those items can be made DIY, just need the information to spark the idea.

I think the bolt pattern on the OHV and SOHC is the same but I'm not 100% sure on that.

I'm wanting to say that there is minor variation, but nothing that prevents transmissions from interchanging. For some reason I'm thinking that one pattern uses a bolt that the other pattern does not. Nothing about that bolt being missing affects the installation or usage of either transmission on either motor. Could be a different transmission pattern that I'm thinking about though.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I think the bolt pattern on the OHV and SOHC is the same but I'm not 100% sure on that. I think they share the same lineage even though the block was modified to run the Rube Goldberg cylinder head design that the SOHC has.

They added one bolt, apparently the OHV pattern just wasn't quite strong enough for all that SOHC power.

Pattern is the same, just omit that one bolt as you mix and match.

 

[snoranger]

They added one bolt, apparently the OHV pattern just wasn't quite strong enough for all that SOHC power.

Pattern is the same, just omit that one bolt as you mix and match.

The didn’t add one bolt… they moved it. The top right bolt on the OHV block was in the same location that the passenger side rear timing chain on the SOHC needed to be.