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- May 15, 2020
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- Age
- 69
- Location
- Atlanta
- Vehicle Year
- 1997 1987
- Make / Model
- Ranger XLT x2
- Engine Type
- 4.0 V6
- Engine Size
- 4.0 & 2.9
- Transmission
- Manual
- 2WD / 4WD
- 4WD
- Total Lift
- 97 stock, 3” on 87
- Total Drop
- N/A
- Tire Size
- 235/75-15
- My credo
- Never put off ‘til tomorrow what you can put off indefinitely
Step Trailer Update:
The Road Ranger and step trailer are motoring down the road great. But I noticed the framework for the trailer “pin” is scraping the truck bed, on the inside corners where the “fifth wheel“ assembly is, when I’m making turns. When I first built the trailer, that fabrication was hitting the back fenders on a sharp turn, and I had redone it all before I went up for nationals this year. I measured it 1000 times, and before I finally welded it, I went in the church parking lot across the street and drove it every which away and in circles and turns. Everything cleared. But I can see the scuff marks, and of course that scares me, I don’t want to bind it and break something.
I haven’t gotten much done with all the hurricane Rugrat refugees in the house, but I took a couple of them across the street, and I did everything to that truck I could think of, measuring everything, and I think I figured it out.
I don’t have the classic pin in the plate fifth wheel. It’s an upside down ball trailer hitch, so the trailer can tilt side side. I knew that, and I thought I had still left plenty of clearance for anything that would happen on the road. And it looks like I was right.
First, the bed of the truck tilts up a little bit towards the back. That was by design a little bit, so when I have a load, it will level out. The only place it’s scraping is on that last 2 inches, on top of the light assemblies. That’s 1/8 inch aluminum on top of some fairly thin 2 x 2 tubing. The pin pivot point isn’t centered between the two axles, it’s actually just a few inches in front of the back axle, which was also by design, so the truck would “pull” that axle and the trailer, not “carry” either one.
Since the city widened the road and put in a slightly elevated sidewalk at the end of my driveway (that’s now a steeper incline), there’s a pretty pronounced hump. That sidewalk/hump is right under the rear wheels when I turn left or right out of the driveway.
Apparently, when I pull out and I’m turning, the truck will tilt as much as 6-7 inches from one side to the other, which doesn’t happen on the road. At the same time, the back wheels of the trailer are still sitting square on the driveway. That one location/turn is apparently where I’m getting interference.
There’s only a scrape on top of the light assembly on the left. When I turn left, I have to cross the lane on my side of the road, so it doesn’t tilt as much as if I turn right. On the right, the pin assembly has actually caught on the inside corner of that part of the bed, and actually bent the 2x2 tubing, crushed it, about a half inch. I figured out that happens because it’s a much tighter turn to the right creating a bigger slant on that hump..
The frame and fenders are all attached solid to the truck frame, it’s only the axle that floats underneath it. When I did my twist and turn test across the street, I also realized that in tight turns that rear axle will move left or right about an inch to either side. No big deal because it tracks going down the road, but that has the effect of moving the pinpoint to the left or right, which affects the clearances in a tight turn.
With all that, I would have to make some pretty substantial changes to the 2 x 2 frame I installed on top of the truck frame in the back. The other solution was just to use a longer offset hitch for my pin, which just raises the assembly up a couple inches. That’s easy to try and remove if it doesn’t work. So, that’s what I did, I swapped out the 4 inch offset for a 6 inch offset.
One of the other reasons I redid that whole pin assembly before nationals, was because the trailer was not square left to right with the back of the truck (just top step deck). It also slopes up a little bit towards the front with that same idea that when there was a load on it, it would all level out. I haven’t seen it on level ground since I swapped the hitch, but I’m concerned it might slope up too much now.
I can fix that by correcting another oversight. On the rear of the trailer when I put my axle mounts on the frame, I put all three the same on each side. With the double axle and the equalizer, the one in the center should actually be longer so it hangs lower. Now, the springs can hit the bottom of the frame when I go over a speed bump or something like that, they’re not totally free on that equalizer at its limits.
So my plan is the next time I hook it up, which will be Saturday, I’ll measure it all out again, and then replace those middle spring/equalizer mounts with longer ones that will level the trailer front to back where I want it. That will bring the tail end up a couple inches, but I can live with that.
I now have all my brake parts to do the brakes on those two back axles, so I’ll just do it at the same time, but not right now.
Two points in presenting all this.
First, I would want everybody to have the most up-to-date information and findings if they’re going to try to do something like this, buttt….
Second, I’ll reiterate my disclaimer again that I don’t advise anybody to do this, certainly not the trial and error way I put it together, it’s all a toy for me, and I make no representation about the road worthiness or load handling capability, especially if someone put a serious load on such a thing. I have a unique combination of engineering experience, hands-on, mechanical and fabrication experience, experience with trucks and trailers, etc. that makes me feel comfortable with what I’ve done. But in this posting, there is certainly not a design for others to duplicate.
But it is a blast!
The Road Ranger and step trailer are motoring down the road great. But I noticed the framework for the trailer “pin” is scraping the truck bed, on the inside corners where the “fifth wheel“ assembly is, when I’m making turns. When I first built the trailer, that fabrication was hitting the back fenders on a sharp turn, and I had redone it all before I went up for nationals this year. I measured it 1000 times, and before I finally welded it, I went in the church parking lot across the street and drove it every which away and in circles and turns. Everything cleared. But I can see the scuff marks, and of course that scares me, I don’t want to bind it and break something.
I haven’t gotten much done with all the hurricane Rugrat refugees in the house, but I took a couple of them across the street, and I did everything to that truck I could think of, measuring everything, and I think I figured it out.
I don’t have the classic pin in the plate fifth wheel. It’s an upside down ball trailer hitch, so the trailer can tilt side side. I knew that, and I thought I had still left plenty of clearance for anything that would happen on the road. And it looks like I was right.
First, the bed of the truck tilts up a little bit towards the back. That was by design a little bit, so when I have a load, it will level out. The only place it’s scraping is on that last 2 inches, on top of the light assemblies. That’s 1/8 inch aluminum on top of some fairly thin 2 x 2 tubing. The pin pivot point isn’t centered between the two axles, it’s actually just a few inches in front of the back axle, which was also by design, so the truck would “pull” that axle and the trailer, not “carry” either one.
Since the city widened the road and put in a slightly elevated sidewalk at the end of my driveway (that’s now a steeper incline), there’s a pretty pronounced hump. That sidewalk/hump is right under the rear wheels when I turn left or right out of the driveway.
Apparently, when I pull out and I’m turning, the truck will tilt as much as 6-7 inches from one side to the other, which doesn’t happen on the road. At the same time, the back wheels of the trailer are still sitting square on the driveway. That one location/turn is apparently where I’m getting interference.
There’s only a scrape on top of the light assembly on the left. When I turn left, I have to cross the lane on my side of the road, so it doesn’t tilt as much as if I turn right. On the right, the pin assembly has actually caught on the inside corner of that part of the bed, and actually bent the 2x2 tubing, crushed it, about a half inch. I figured out that happens because it’s a much tighter turn to the right creating a bigger slant on that hump..
The frame and fenders are all attached solid to the truck frame, it’s only the axle that floats underneath it. When I did my twist and turn test across the street, I also realized that in tight turns that rear axle will move left or right about an inch to either side. No big deal because it tracks going down the road, but that has the effect of moving the pinpoint to the left or right, which affects the clearances in a tight turn.
With all that, I would have to make some pretty substantial changes to the 2 x 2 frame I installed on top of the truck frame in the back. The other solution was just to use a longer offset hitch for my pin, which just raises the assembly up a couple inches. That’s easy to try and remove if it doesn’t work. So, that’s what I did, I swapped out the 4 inch offset for a 6 inch offset.
One of the other reasons I redid that whole pin assembly before nationals, was because the trailer was not square left to right with the back of the truck (just top step deck). It also slopes up a little bit towards the front with that same idea that when there was a load on it, it would all level out. I haven’t seen it on level ground since I swapped the hitch, but I’m concerned it might slope up too much now.
I can fix that by correcting another oversight. On the rear of the trailer when I put my axle mounts on the frame, I put all three the same on each side. With the double axle and the equalizer, the one in the center should actually be longer so it hangs lower. Now, the springs can hit the bottom of the frame when I go over a speed bump or something like that, they’re not totally free on that equalizer at its limits.
So my plan is the next time I hook it up, which will be Saturday, I’ll measure it all out again, and then replace those middle spring/equalizer mounts with longer ones that will level the trailer front to back where I want it. That will bring the tail end up a couple inches, but I can live with that.
I now have all my brake parts to do the brakes on those two back axles, so I’ll just do it at the same time, but not right now.
Two points in presenting all this.
First, I would want everybody to have the most up-to-date information and findings if they’re going to try to do something like this, buttt….
Second, I’ll reiterate my disclaimer again that I don’t advise anybody to do this, certainly not the trial and error way I put it together, it’s all a toy for me, and I make no representation about the road worthiness or load handling capability, especially if someone put a serious load on such a thing. I have a unique combination of engineering experience, hands-on, mechanical and fabrication experience, experience with trucks and trailers, etc. that makes me feel comfortable with what I’ve done. But in this posting, there is certainly not a design for others to duplicate.
But it is a blast!