Random old (possible german) rifles identification?

[Dirtman]

These are at a local estate auction, no idea what they are. The company just listed them as "german rifles/shotgun".

Any of you antique gun nuts know for sure what they are and if it's worth running over to grab them? I can probably get all 4 for 100 bucks.

 

[ericbphoto]

All 4 for a $100? I’d say it’s worth it. But I’m no expert.








BTW

Guns is goes boom.

 

[ericbphoto]

If you don’t want them, get them and I’ll buy them from you for 125% of what you pay if it’s really that low of a price.

 

[Blmpkn]

You should be in time out for having to think about it at all.

 

[JMF661]

The top one looks like an enfield carbine.

Second one down looks like it could be a Mauser hunting model of some kind, the safety switch on the bolt looks Mauser”ish”. Hard to tell without getting a better look unfortunately.

The third one definitely looks like it could be a Mauser k98 rifle. The wood looks to be pretty nice, might even be a real German manufactured one. Could be a real collectible.

But! Four functioning firearms for 100 bucks is a good deal in my book. Old guns are fun to have in the collection.

Edit: Adding more guesses as I study the photo more.

 

[Grumpaw]

Top one is most definitely a British Enfield sporterized probably by a do it yourselfer. If bore is clean, worth $100 by itself.
Third is a Mauser, but unable to determine from photo who made it and when. If bore is clean, still worth $100 or more.
Forth looks like a break open single shot shotgun. Depending on manufacturer could be worth $50 or $500. Those types of shotguns were made by hundreds of manufacturers. Probably good for a wall hanger.
The second is most definitely a sporting/hunting rifle, especially with the double set triggers. Looks like a Mauser bolt, but under license many manufacturers used that pattern. Just the double set triggers on that weapon, if by a recognized maker, is worth more than all the others. Without knowing maker/age/caliber, no way to put a value on it, but easily $500 or more if in good condition.

 

[Dirtman]

I want them, I just don't have a ton of cash. The estate is 99999% old lady garbage so no one is even looking at the guns. So I figure a 100 dollar bid could get them. Literally no one else even took a second glance at them and it's a silent auction. I put my 100 dollar bid in. I'm tempted to put in like 250, but feel I may just outbid myself.

I would just clean them a bit and add them to my wall collection. Maybe see if they fire first if they seem safe enough.

This is literally what the rest of the stuff for sale is like... no gun people here lol. Don't even think anyone under 80 showed up.

 

[Ramcharger90]

Top is definitely a Lee Enfield

Second looks like it would be worth alot more than you would think.

The 3rd on looks like a straight bolt Mauser it could be ww1 or a prussian model.

 

[Dirtman]

Now I'm like shaking.... should I outbid myself? Or just go with my low ball bid knowing no one else is looking at these things?

 

[sgtsandman]

If you are the top bid, sit on it unless someone else bids higher. On heck of a deal.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Good luck!

They look nice to me!

 

[snoranger]

Now I'm like shaking.... should I outbid myself? Or just go with my low ball bid knowing no one else is looking at these things?

If it’s that big of an issue, I could come over and outbid you if you’d like.

 

[Shran]

#3 is probably the most valuable out of the lot. Especially if it's actually a German rifle, post up some pics of the top of the reciever. Many countries made Mausers, it IS a Mauser of some sort.

#2 looks like it's built on a Mauser action, the double triggers is confusing.

#1 is an Enfield... No 4 Mk 1 maybe, hard to tell. Not worth much as it has been sporterized but they are fun shooters.

#4 looks like a single action break open 12 gauge. Not worth much probably.

 

[JMF661]

#3 is probably the most valuable out of the lot. Especially if it's actually a German rifle, post up some pics of the top of the reciever. Many countries made Mausers, it IS a Mauser of some sort.

#2 looks like it's built on a Mauser action, the double triggers is confusing.

#1 is an Enfield... No 4 Mk 1 maybe, hard to tell. Not worth much as it has been sporterized but they are fun shooters.

#4 looks like a single action break open 12 gauge. Not worth much probably.

Those double trigger setups were for real fancy old timely hunting rifles. The secondary trigger would prime the primary trigger, which was very very sensitive. Not something that is really done anymore.

 

[Grumpaw]

# 3 is definitely a Mauser. The stamped trigger guard and what looks to be a curved bolt makes it somewhere in the late WWll production.
WW l and between war mausers were very well made, with all of the parts being made from machined blocks of steel. Even the barrel bands were machined. Every part had the serial # stamped on it. Even during the war, the Germans took pride in what they made, and still machined many parts.
Late WW ll were made as quickly as possible with many parts made from steel stamping, especially the weapons made in other occupied countries.
Also, they were made by various Axis countries and countries that had been over run by the Germans. Many were also made by slave labor.
Many WW ll rifles were parts guns...rifles that had been brought back to an armorer for repair and put back together from various parts containers.
Very easy to tell what model, year of manufacturer, and location made by the markings on top of the receiver, and stamping on receiver sides.
The condition, place of manufacturer will determine it's value...remember, everyone used corrosive ammo back then, and it might be a long time between cleanings, so if bore is pitted or corroded, value goes down.
With firearms, everything comes down to 2 things...
Condition and rarity With the Mauser 98, millions were made, all over the world, even after WWll, so they are not rare. If condition is poor, it might just be a wall hanger worth $100. If in really nice shape, and in shooting condition, could go upwards of $400-$600. A weapon with matching parts with matching serial # will be worth more. German made will also bring a premium over those made in other countries.
There are collectors who will value the hunting rifle over the military, and collectors who value the military weapons, but either way for what you bid, if you get them, you'll do well.
First pic is a WW l...notice the machined parts.
Second pic is an early WW ll version made around 1940, still with the machined parts.