Pyromancer
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- Location
- Seattle, WA
- Vehicle Year
- 1994
- Make / Model
- Mazda
- Engine Type
- 4.0 V6
- Engine Size
- 4.0
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- Manual
- 2WD / 4WD
- 4WD
94 Mazda B4000, truck started throwing a 172 code (lean passenger side bank) I haven't been able to get rid of yet. Code does not pop up until I have been driving for awhile which seems consistent for this type of lean code.
What I have tried:
1.) Sprayed around engine with carb cleaner looking for vac leaks.
Couldn't find anything.
2.) Pulled and checked all the spark plugs on the passenger side.
All plugs looked good.
3.) Checked for exhaust leaks and re-torqued all bolts on passenger side exhaust.
No leaks, code still happening.
3.) Swapped the 02 sensors plugs.
Truck threw codes 172 and 176. Reading that this should have caused the truck to read lean on one bank and rich on the other I went ahead and tried replacing the O2 sensor and connecting O2 sensors back the way they should be. Still threw code 172 with new 02 sensor.
4.) Unplugged MAF sensor.
Truck threw a few MAF codes as well as the 172 code. MAF codes go away with it plugged back in.
5.) Fuel Pressure Test.
Purchased a harbor frieght fuel pressure tester. Got 28psi at idle and 38psi with the vac to the pressure regulator unplugged. This seemed low according to some posts on forums, so I tried replacing the fuel filter and then swapping the regulator, no change.
Last night I pulled the bed back, tested the ground and voltage at the pump. Ground is fine, pump voltage 9.6V key on, 12.6V key on with pump test lead from OBD-1 connector grounded.
Swapped the fuel pump. Still 28psi at idle and 38psi vac unpluged. 36psi truck off vac connected and fuel pump grounded.
Truck doesn't leak down more than 2psi in 3min, but does slowly leak down. Removed return line and vac from regulator no leaking at the regulator.
6.) Built a DIY smoke tester from a soldering iron and smoke tested the engine from throttle body.
Found a leak from the behind the EGR diaphragm. EGR was only a couple years old and under warranty. So I have swapped the EGR twice with two brand new ones at this point and all 3 leaked from here. New one is better than the last two but all leak. Pic is from EGR #2 the first one I got as a replacement. Really wondering if this is normal? Smoke is being pumped in with a bike pump but machine is attached with a hose going into a rubber glove with a finger cut off to get smoke into the throttle body, so only maybe a couple psi on the system to get this result.
7.) Visually inspected spark plug wires and sprayed around the engine with water mist looking for sparks.
Wires seem fine, they are pretty new so doubt its the issue. Coil pack is new as well.
My questions:
1.) Does my fuel pressure seem OK?
According to my Chiltons pump test procedures, I believe I am in spec. It tells me 35-45psi with pump lead grounded so pump is running, I get 36Psi. It also tells me 35-45PSI with truck running and vac to regulator unplugged, I get 38. Finally it gives me a leak down test procedure that says to ground the pump, remove ground and note pressure, I get 32psi. It then asks is this pressure drops more than 2psi in 3 minutes. I drop maybe half a PSI in that time, I also timed for 6min and didn't quite get to 31psi on the gauge. Takes over 30min to drop to 30psi, but it droped to 20psi overnight. This all seems OK by the Chilton book, but some posts in this forum tells me I should seeing 30-35psi with the truck idling, and 40-45psi with the vac line disconnected. What is correct?
2.) Does the leak at the EGR seem OK?
I have gone through 3 of these EGR's now, with all 3 leaking at the same spot. One Borg Warner, two Standard brand. It seems that its just a tiny leak around the shaft for the plunger in the EGR. When I think about this I don't know how this EGR design would not leak a small amount of air in that spot. It is a shaft that needs to move in and out of the egr valve how could they completely seal that and have it move? I also question if this was the issue why would I only be getting lean on one bank and not both? Is the EGR good or am I just super unlucky?
3.) Anything else I should try?
As it sits the truck has a new O2 sensor, a new fuel pump, a new fuel pressure regulator, a new EGR valve. I'm not a fan of just throwing parts at this thing and have saved all the old parts as future backups, but am really scratching my head here. Did I get two bad EGRs in a row? Is the new fuel pump or regulator bad, and if so why would I get the exact same pressures as the old ones? Only other thing I can think of would be maybe an issue with the injectors. If they were leaking I would expect a rich code instead of a lean code though. If I had a leaking or stuck injector, I would also expect the plugs to not look normal. I'm not sure if there is anything I can do to test those, or if I should just get it back together when the fuel filler hose comes and try running a couple tanks of injector cleaner through the truck. Anything I am missing? Is there something I haven't checked but should? Thoughts?
With the bed back I noticed my filler hose was cracked and am waiting on a replacement before I put the bed back and try to drive the truck again.
So has not been driven or pulled codes since step 5, but nothing has changed, and I have just found things that have me scratching my head.
What I have tried:
1.) Sprayed around engine with carb cleaner looking for vac leaks.
Couldn't find anything.
2.) Pulled and checked all the spark plugs on the passenger side.
All plugs looked good.
3.) Checked for exhaust leaks and re-torqued all bolts on passenger side exhaust.
No leaks, code still happening.
3.) Swapped the 02 sensors plugs.
Truck threw codes 172 and 176. Reading that this should have caused the truck to read lean on one bank and rich on the other I went ahead and tried replacing the O2 sensor and connecting O2 sensors back the way they should be. Still threw code 172 with new 02 sensor.
4.) Unplugged MAF sensor.
Truck threw a few MAF codes as well as the 172 code. MAF codes go away with it plugged back in.
5.) Fuel Pressure Test.
Purchased a harbor frieght fuel pressure tester. Got 28psi at idle and 38psi with the vac to the pressure regulator unplugged. This seemed low according to some posts on forums, so I tried replacing the fuel filter and then swapping the regulator, no change.
Last night I pulled the bed back, tested the ground and voltage at the pump. Ground is fine, pump voltage 9.6V key on, 12.6V key on with pump test lead from OBD-1 connector grounded.
Swapped the fuel pump. Still 28psi at idle and 38psi vac unpluged. 36psi truck off vac connected and fuel pump grounded.
Truck doesn't leak down more than 2psi in 3min, but does slowly leak down. Removed return line and vac from regulator no leaking at the regulator.
6.) Built a DIY smoke tester from a soldering iron and smoke tested the engine from throttle body.
Found a leak from the behind the EGR diaphragm. EGR was only a couple years old and under warranty. So I have swapped the EGR twice with two brand new ones at this point and all 3 leaked from here. New one is better than the last two but all leak. Pic is from EGR #2 the first one I got as a replacement. Really wondering if this is normal? Smoke is being pumped in with a bike pump but machine is attached with a hose going into a rubber glove with a finger cut off to get smoke into the throttle body, so only maybe a couple psi on the system to get this result.
7.) Visually inspected spark plug wires and sprayed around the engine with water mist looking for sparks.
Wires seem fine, they are pretty new so doubt its the issue. Coil pack is new as well.
My questions:
1.) Does my fuel pressure seem OK?
According to my Chiltons pump test procedures, I believe I am in spec. It tells me 35-45psi with pump lead grounded so pump is running, I get 36Psi. It also tells me 35-45PSI with truck running and vac to regulator unplugged, I get 38. Finally it gives me a leak down test procedure that says to ground the pump, remove ground and note pressure, I get 32psi. It then asks is this pressure drops more than 2psi in 3 minutes. I drop maybe half a PSI in that time, I also timed for 6min and didn't quite get to 31psi on the gauge. Takes over 30min to drop to 30psi, but it droped to 20psi overnight. This all seems OK by the Chilton book, but some posts in this forum tells me I should seeing 30-35psi with the truck idling, and 40-45psi with the vac line disconnected. What is correct?
2.) Does the leak at the EGR seem OK?
I have gone through 3 of these EGR's now, with all 3 leaking at the same spot. One Borg Warner, two Standard brand. It seems that its just a tiny leak around the shaft for the plunger in the EGR. When I think about this I don't know how this EGR design would not leak a small amount of air in that spot. It is a shaft that needs to move in and out of the egr valve how could they completely seal that and have it move? I also question if this was the issue why would I only be getting lean on one bank and not both? Is the EGR good or am I just super unlucky?
3.) Anything else I should try?
As it sits the truck has a new O2 sensor, a new fuel pump, a new fuel pressure regulator, a new EGR valve. I'm not a fan of just throwing parts at this thing and have saved all the old parts as future backups, but am really scratching my head here. Did I get two bad EGRs in a row? Is the new fuel pump or regulator bad, and if so why would I get the exact same pressures as the old ones? Only other thing I can think of would be maybe an issue with the injectors. If they were leaking I would expect a rich code instead of a lean code though. If I had a leaking or stuck injector, I would also expect the plugs to not look normal. I'm not sure if there is anything I can do to test those, or if I should just get it back together when the fuel filler hose comes and try running a couple tanks of injector cleaner through the truck. Anything I am missing? Is there something I haven't checked but should? Thoughts?
With the bed back I noticed my filler hose was cracked and am waiting on a replacement before I put the bed back and try to drive the truck again.
So has not been driven or pulled codes since step 5, but nothing has changed, and I have just found things that have me scratching my head.
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