Petition for small diesel vehicles

[wrecking-crew]

I pulled this from Pirate.
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Sign here.

Spread the word!

 

[Jraymer360]

i am disappointed, only 25.

lets get to 25,000!

 

[Ozwynn]

you know what .......

Diesels are finicky and needy...... think back to that insane clingy girlfriend that tried to monopolize your time. For a full size its fine but I got no desire to deal with a modern diesel with its crappy fuel system components in anything smaller than a crew cab dually. I would rather just be able to slap a set of plugs in and engine and go.

Diesel reliability peaked from '95 - '03 thanks to the EPA and the cost of ownwership is just too damn high for a daily driver.

but I am going to sign it anyways because I think I should atleast have the choice.

 

[luke]

i singed it, but i will sign anything that helps restore freedom.

 

[CHKNFKR]

i singed it, but i will sign anything that helps restore freedom.

this!!

 

[Jraymer360]

Diesels don't even require that much to maintain. at least my dads 04 doesn't. only used 2 sets of tires since new, oil changes at 7500, U-Joints a few times, general maintenance ...etc. and it's a dodge.

he hasn't done anything major to it yet and it has 173k on it.

 

[Ozwynn]

Diesels don't even require that much to maintain. at least my dads 04 doesn't. only used 2 sets of tires since new, oil changes at 7500, U-Joints a few times, general maintenance ...etc. and it's a dodge.

he hasn't done anything major to it yet and it has 173k on it.

wait till that egr valve fails, or he gets contaminated fuel, about 9 grand to replace the HPFP and injectors..... although the CP3 pump is decent..... its not really the engines....... the fuel systems do not get along with the new fuel.



and those small euro diesels are really finicky....... CRD Liberty anyone?

 

[Brownie Mobile]

Diesels are more practical as far as im concerned, guy down the street from me says he has a ford diesel with 500k on it ( mechanic maintained) not saying i trust him but i have no reason not to believe him

 

[Tominator]

i singed it, but i will sign anything that helps restore freedom.

Freedom? How about the freedom to put something on the market based on how much money and demand there is for the product.

The EPA killed any chance of them going into widespread use...

 

[luke]

Freedom? How about the freedom to put something on the market based on how much money and demand there is for the product.

The EPA killed any chance of them going into widespread use...

i know, the US is one of the only countries in the world where diesel is MORE expensive then gas! diesel is cheaper to make AND more efficient than gas! and you can use the "bio diesel" in the same engines with little modification i think. but the EPA feels they have to throw their weight around and enact strict emissions laws so they can take your tax money is what it is! THEM BUNCH'O HIPPIE LIBERAL TREE HUGGERS!

 

[3.0ranger1227]

The new 2011 diesel in the truck we have at work constantly surprises me(2100 duramax 4wd dually). We have not found a way to make it black smoke yet, not even uphill while towing. The only issue is the stupid diesel exhaust fluid system. If you run out you are limited to 55 mph. You run out about every 3k miles. Luckily DEF Is cheap.


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[Ozwynn]

wait till something breaks.

don't get me wrong, I am not bashing diesels.... I have 2 of them......

 

[kryptonitecb]

I keep reading "until it breaks" but how often does a diesel break compared to a gas engine? I know the injection pumps are expensive but after that its about the same price. I would take diesel over gas in any vehicle, over all it makes more sense.

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[Ozwynn]

depends on the engine.......

Volkswagen is not with out their problems either. you cannot ignore the maintenance on a diesel. I can buy a V10 long block for what the injectors cost on my 7.3L 'stroke.

I have yet to see one of these 2010 compliant engines that are worth a damn.... and its not the engines... its the fuel systems and emission systems.

The advantages to diesel was that it was a simple design and designed to run all day with out a break, some applications even designed to run years with out being shut off. This is no longer the case.... thanks to the epa they are no longer simple.... and they are no longer durable. If its being used in a commercial application then diesel is the way to go but for the average end user diesel is problematic and not intended for driving a mile to the corner store on a beer run no matter how its marketed.

I can buy a dually with a V10, get an exhaust, get a 5 start economy/towing tune and get the same mileage as my 'stroke on a cheaper fuel.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Diesels are more practical as far as im concerned, guy down the street from me says he has a ford diesel with 500k on it ( mechanic maintained) not saying i trust him but i have no reason not to believe him

Few vehicles will go for that long anyway.

Our Explorer was swiss cheese by 180k, engine still ran fine but the very straight and never dented body was so full of cancer I don't know how many more miles it had in it.

A modern fuel injected engine is very well capable of outliving the host vehicle as it is.

I have a customer that likes to brag up his early '90's Cummins Ram with 300k miles. Eventually you will get out of him he has had the pump gone through three times and the head off twice.

I keep reading "until it breaks" but how often does a diesel break compared to a gas engine? I know the injection pumps are expensive but after that its about the same price. I would take diesel over gas in any vehicle, over all it makes more sense.

Gas takes less engine oil, fairly cheap fuel pumps, a good fuel filter only costs double digits and it only takes one, cheaper air filter and oil filter....

Diesels were originally smoking pigs that only had economy going for them vs a gas engine, when it was optional in tractors the diesel always had more cubes to compete with the gas counterpart. It wasn't until they put boost to them that they started to perk up and then they direct injected them to make them come to life. Compared to the NA indirect injected gas engine they darn well should be better.

IMO the typical modern diesel is playing by the same rules as only very few gassers play... like the Ecoboost. And I have heard rumors that Ford has been toying with an Ecoboost 6.2 for when the EPA finally gets diesels priced out of the market.