Muzzle Loader

[feellnfroggy]

Thanks Mac, I wasnt sure when they started the rifled barrels. I was basing my opinion on the fact that some douchebag made the M16A1 without rifling in the first model.

 

[doorgunner]

ethinicity..............that don't look right!

authenticity aside....it's a great looking fifle........rifle!

 

[robertc1024]

Google is my friend. After digging a bit more, it does appear to authentic. My wife has a patient who buys all the antique guns for Cabellas just up the road. I think I'll have him do a look-see on it. Thanks for the info on the set-triggers, that was a new one to me.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

+1 on the smoke. This thing couldnt be so poular that it's a replica. I can't even figure out what the double triggers do.

Probably the greatest movie featuring a rifle featuring a rifle with double set triggers. BTW, the Sharps rifle is where the term "Sharpshooter" came from during the civil war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKUMUPcR7k

Thanks Mac, I wasnt sure when they started the rifled barrels. I was basing my opinion on the fact that some douchebag made the M16A1 without rifling in the first model.

Yeah, they have been rifling barrels for hundreds of years. It helped give the soon to be America an edge against the standard issue British musket.

 

[feellnfroggy]

SOmething learned.

 

[robertc1024]

Probably the greatest movie featuring a rifle featuring a rifle with double set triggers. BTW, the Sharps rifle is where the term "Sharpshooter" came from during the civil war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKUMUPcR7k



Yeah, they have been rifling barrels for hundreds of years. It helped give the soon to be America an edge against the standard issue British musket.

that was EXCELLENT!!!

 

[crbnunit]

Set triggers and more what I woudl expect for sights of the period.

 

[robertc1024]

Mine doens't have the 6" tall rear sight, but the more I look over it It's incredibly clean. The really funny thing is that it was made by a German dude in Philly and they're called Turner rifles. Tourner is German for a Gymnast which is what one of my twin sons has done for the past four years. Maybe I can sell it to pay for lessons - they're only about 10K a year.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Set triggers and more what I would expect for sights of the period.

That is a model 1874 Sharps in full buffalo rifle dress.

Set up like that they were the Barret .50 cal of the day, not really common. I doubt that a muzzleloader especially one that short would reach out the distance that would require that tall of a vernier sight. Those Sharps had a predictable "rainbow" projectory, and you really had to aim them up in the sky to get them to reach out... and they were packing more punch with a more effective bullet in a longer barrel compared to a short smokepole with a minnie or patched round ball. Notice how much he has that thing tipped up when he is taking aim.

I have a modern .50cal inline muzzleloader with a 24" barrel. It is rated a magnum where I can run 150 grains of blackpowder if I want... but it will only burn a little over 100 before it spits the bullet out the barrel. And I think this shortbarreled muzzleloader would suffer from the same problem if loaded heavy.

I think it is is more of a shorter range target rifle, not intended to reach out 1000 yds like a Sharps... so it doesn't need the big sight.

 

[robertc1024]

The thing that's crazy about this gun is that the outside of the barrel is about 1" on the flats. I measured it and it's a .44 caliber. I put it on the bathroom scale and it weighs in at 13 lbs!!!! I wouldn't want to have to carry it around in the field.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Usually with a single shot blackpowder like that, the actual projectile is smaller than the nominal caliber, for example what is called a .45 caliber would shoot a .44 conical (with an expanding base) or patched round ball.

But a .43 caliber would be kind of an odd size, but nothing was really standard back then.

The weight makes it more durable and eats a lot of recoil.

 

[robertc1024]

Ok - another weird gun. My father in law's dumped like 10 on me now and the safe is overflowing. This one is a Danish Army rifle originally made by Remington. It's an M-1867. About 1/10'th of what the muzzleloader is worth, but still kind of interesting. And It's got the Sharps lift-up rear sight!!!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Remington Rolling Block, #1 compitition for the Sharps back in the buffalo hunting days...

If it is still original it shoots a fairly odd round, which may hurt its value. If it wasn't a Dane I wouldn't doubt it would be worth more than your muzzleloader... or at least be able to find a higher paying buy quicker.

http://www.militaryrifles.com/Denmark/DanshRem.htm

That looks like it has a ladder sight, not quite the same as the vernier one in Quigley. You could probably get a vernier sight if you wanted to though.

I would love to have a modern reproduction in 45-70...

 

[robertc1024]

That's the one. It is definately Danish. Has the crown stamp on the side. Ya, I read the rounds are oddballs. Still, something different than the crap Marlin 22's, single shot .410's and stuff he's dumping on me. I did get a cool old .38 Colt revolver that belonged to his grandfather though. Haven't researched that but it says COLT. D.A.38 on the barrel.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Don't know much about newer pistols, I wonder if the D A means Dual Action?