@8thTon for president, he knows all. Hell, why haven't you given the secret recipe for the COVID19 cure yet.
As are you. Yes, gears make a subpar engine do the same work as the engine that should be doing the work. I concede.
Tell you what, you build the baddest ass 1.5 turbo you can and I'll build a streetable 351w (I won't even bother with a big block) and we'll hook them crank to crank at whatever RPM you choose for your 1.5 and I choose four my 351, then we'll dump the clutch to see which one explodes.
Generally when one goes for the cheap shot it means you are unable to support your position, and reflects poorly on you. Your proposed test is contrived and a meaningless distraction not based on any of my points at all, and would prove nothing. The power output of an engine tells you nothing about when the parts break, so in effect you're trying to change the subject having lost the debate.
Nonetheless, if you had two engines that produced the same hp with the same shaped power curve, regardless of if one had a gear set to move the power peaks to the same rpm, and you hooked them up to each other with a clutch, you'd just burn up the clutch. They'd be producing exactly equal and opposite power. The displacement and technology used to make the power doesn't make a damn difference. When something breaks in one of the engines is not something you'd be able to tell from knowing the displacement of the engine.
Give me a long enough lever (gear) and I'll move the world. Possible, sure, practical, no.
This is what gets me with the "oh you have to gear it right" arguement.
Yes, you could take a 1.3L festiva and gear it low enough to literally pull a freight train.
But in the instances im talking about its like taking a world record holding strongman and putting them in a contest to break a large rusty bolt loose with an average guy.
Sure, the average guy can do it with a 6ft cheater bar, while the strongman needs nothing but the 1/2in ratchet. So it would then appear to anyone who doesnt understand mechanics that the average guy is just as strong as his opponent.
Gears are mechanical advantage, same as a cheater bar. But it doesnt make the guy with a huge cheater bar as strong as the guy without, even if the end result is the same.
This is the fundamental error that gets people confused about the whole torque vs HP argument. Torque is a measure of angular force, it has no motion associated with it. Any of us can produce more torque than the biggest truck diesel. Force is a static quantity, and when you apply torque to an object with a lever there is
no energy transfer (or work done) until the object moves.
When you talk about the torque output of an engine it is a sloppy way talking about the power, because it is really
torque at an rpm, or
force with motion - and that is the definition of power (
HP = T * RPM / 5252). It comes about because on a dyno it's easy to measure the static force and rpm an engine is producing at any point, and then to use that to calculate power. The torque number is just a step along the way to finding the power and is not very meaningful on its own. If you tell me the torque and the rpm an engine makes I will tell you the power at that rpm - it isn't optional.
If you don't have a full plot of the power curve, and you know the rpm of the peak torque and peak power, you can get a feel for how broad or how peaky the power curve might be.
If you are running an engine at a single rpm, the only characteristic about that engine that matters is the power at that rpm. If you want to accelerate a vehicle and the engine must accelerate over a range of rpm, then you want to know the area under the power curve over that rpm range. The area under the curve represents the mechanical energy the engine transferred to the load as you accelerated.