Has anyone tried the four barrel intake for the 3.0

[Mike b]

I would like to build a high output 3.0

 

[adsm08]

I would like to build a high output 3.0

You are still better off with EFI. The changes you will need to make to make it handle those changes will cost far less than a special production intake and a carb.

 

[pjtoledo]

Carbs have many advantages over EFI. I have listed them a dozen times so i wont again.

All im saying is carbs are just fine under 99.9% of operating conditions.

and the other .1% of the time you are driving it?

 

[8thTon]

I like carbs and if I had a vehicle that came with one I'd happily drive it. But the only advantage over EFI is simplicity - and the number of people who really understand how a carb works is vanishingly small. Still anyone can replace parts and adjust things to factory specs on a carb pretty easily.

 

[Nez'sRanger]

Of course, when the massive solar flare goes off and fries all the electronics, including all the ECU's, the carb guys are gonna be laughing at all of us while they drive along like nothing happened! Haha!

 

[adsm08]

Of course, when the massive solar flare goes off and fries all the electronics, including all the ECU's, the carb guys are gonna be laughing at all of us while they drive along like nothing happened! Haha!

Ignition coils, alternators, and electric starters are vulnerable too. Also, solid state electronics and EEPROM memory (most of the EEC-VI and early EEC-V PCMs) are not nearly as vulnerable as a PC or laptop computer would be.

Its the magnetic part of the EMP that damages computer equipment. Solid state electronics are rather resiliant against magnetics.

 

[Dirtman]

Of course, when the massive solar flare goes off and fries all the electronics, including all the ECU's, the carb guys are gonna be laughing at all of us while they drive along like nothing happened! Haha!

Your old car is less likely to start than a modern one in a solar flare or nuke event. You're alternator diodes and voltags regulators will be toast. As will anything above a points distributor. simple fixes though.

But modern cars have redundant surge protection and alot of shielding. I watched a video of an EMP going off next to a high tech modern car. It did nothing but break the radio.

Either way stick it in a faraday cage made from a shipping container. Issue solved.

 

[RonD]

Of course, when the massive solar flare goes off and fries all the electronics, including all the ECU's, the carb guys are gonna be laughing at all of us while they drive along like nothing happened! Haha!

Actually the Diesel guys with mechanical fuel pumps would be the only ones laughing(while driving) and only if they could push start it

But can't happen in any case, the solar flare "thing" is about the electrical grid we all rely on, so those with a full tank of gas(or diesel) would be fine, gas stations would be without power so no pumps.

A nuclear EMP can hurt electronics but if it was close enough to you to do that you wouldn't be around to care that car won't start

The ISS(international space station) has gone through a few stronger solar flare events, no electronic issues so far, but they don't have EFI, or a Carb, so still a debate there

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Your reasons aren't rational. They are better to YOU because YOU can work on a carb better than YOU can work on EFI. You might as well say a typewriter is better than a laptop because YOU dont know what powerpoint is. In your world a carb is better, but to the rest of society who has long since embraced indoor plumbing and the internet. There are zero advantages to a carb except sentimental value or being all you understand. The worlds best tuned carb cannot compete with a computer though... It's science... Not opinion.

Now excuse me, I need to go change the jets on my edelbrock avs2 from winter to summer settings.

P.S I love you rusty... You are by far my favorite person to argue with on the interweb.

Ive been trying to learn EFI. Since the supply of cheap, DD worthy carb vehicles hss been drying up.

But the more i learn, the more i hate the over engineered, over complicated mess that is fuel injection.

My rangers been parked since october due to flooding issues i cant figure out. Ive spent countless hours and dollars trying to figure it out. If it was carburated ida went to the store, bought a carb kit, spent an hr or two pulling it off and apart and putting it back togther, adjusted the idle and been on the road by dinner.

I have NEVER been in a situation with a carbed vehicle where i thought "damn i wish i had EFI"

Ive been in numerous situations with EFI where i thought "damn i wish i had a carb"

I understand that scientific wise EFI is "better". But, like EFI carbs also have issues. The difference is the EFI is a migraine when it does, a carb is just a slight dull pain.

@pjtoledo the only thing ive seen EFI do better is extreme angles or extreme cold.

If its -30 out then im more concerned with battery issues then induction.

If im pointed toward the sky...id rather be starving for fuel then oil.

 

[Mike benfielf]

Hay everyone this is mikeb I got hacked last night had to reset my phone and email so I had to make a new account on here

 

[Dirtman]

But wait... how do we know YOU'RE not the hacker just pretending to be mike b

 

[fastpakr]

Hay everyone this is mikeb I got hacked last night had to reset my phone and email so I had to make a new account on here

Do you need to reset a password on your original account? There's no need to start a new one.

 

[Mike benfielf]

Had to get new email too that why I started a new account

 

[Mike benfielf]

S**t happens

 

[91stranger]

nice meeting you mike, now back to the carb vs EFI debate. I prefer carbs over EFI when it comes to small engines and like everyone else said that is due to the simplicity of it. Obviously, EFI is better (for most people) or else every new car would be carbed. New vehicles are made to be reliable to anyone in any climate where as a carb would need tuned to that specific region/climate. It wouldn't make sense to build something that needs tuned for where ever it is being sold. Unfortunately Rusty, technology goes forward, not backward, and no one is making money by making cars less smart. If anything here in 20-30 years we are going to have this same debate but it will be over EFI vs electric cars.