Godzilla vs the Powerboost vs Ranger.

[rusty ol ranger]

I always thought that 6.8 was small for a V10. Why bother.

Dodges V10 was 8.0 even that is a bit low for anything more then a class 2 or 3. Less displacement per cylinder then the mighty 4.9.

Dodges V10 was an absolute monster though. I had one. A 95 4wd with a manual. Reg cab long box.

It woulda tore the guts out of my 460.

 

[JohnnyO]

Dodges V10 was an absolute monster though. I had one. A 95 4wd with a manual. Reg cab long box.

It woulda tore the guts out of my 460.

No replacement for displacement.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

No replacement for displacement.

That thing is sweet all the way around

 

[JoshT]

A F-250 shouldn’t be pulling a “massive” 5th wheel. I have a 18,000 lb 5th wheel and pull it with F350 4x4 8’ bed with the 7.3 with 4:30 gears. It’s enough for my truck.

Just want to say massive is relative. What looks like a pretty large 5th wheel to me, may not actually be all that large or heavy to you.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The V10 was supposed to be a more fuel efficient replacement for the 460. Thing is, OHC motors are better at making power at higher rpm and trucks and RV's generally need low end torque. This is why they went back to a 2v OHV design for the Godzilla motor. OHV engines are better at making low end power.

No

OHC has better control of the valves timing. It can make power wherever they want it to. The 5.4 (4/5 of a 6.8) made peak torque at 2500RPM.

The 3v made better hp and torque than a 2v.

They went pushrod on the godzilla because a DOHC 7.3 would be freaking massive. A SOHC 4.6 is wider than a pushrod 7.5 (460) Going pushrod on the 7.3 they ended up with a big engine not much bigger than a 351W, it is downright swimming in a Super Duty engine bay.

 

[JoshT]

They went pushrod on the godzilla because a DOHC 7.3 would be freaking massive. A SOHC 4.6 is wider than a pushrod 7.5 (460) Going pushrod on the 7.3 they ended up with a big engine not much bigger than a 351W, it is downright swimming in a Super Duty engine bay.

Really sounds like it would be a good fit for a bay currently housing an FE. An engine bay that can comfortably fit a 427 cammer. Think we can find someone that will donate one to the cause so I can test fit it?

 

[Roert42]

Dodges V10 was an absolute monster though. I had one. A 95 4wd with a manual. Reg cab long box.

It woulda tore the guts out of my 460.

I recently bought one. Almost the same as yours but auto. Haven't driven it yet because the brake lines are rusted out on the axel and I haven't gotten them fixed yet. It's sitting at a garage that is owned by some family friends about an hour from my house because I didn't want have to tow it all the way home with the ranger.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I recently bought one. Almost the same as yours but auto. Haven't driven it yet because the brake lines are rusted out on the axel and I haven't gotten them fixed yet. It's sitting at a garage that is owned by some family friends about an hour from my house because I didn't want have to tow it all the way home with the ranger.

They are bad ass trucks. I regret getting rid of mine.

They made 310hp and 450ftlb.

Compare that to my 460s 245/410.

 

[Bobber64]

Just want to say massive is relative. What looks like a pretty large 5th wheel to me, may not actually be all that large or heavy to you.

i Suppose you are right. I’ve caught some pretty massive fish before and every time I tell the story it gets bigger.

 

[bobbywalter]

Yeah, that's how bobbywalter gets away with his rig.
My bud's truck you'll be starting and stopping like Fred Flintstone though.

aye....sort of. i have a grey title. rebuilt/composite. if i rebuild my rig from its current decrepid state back to safe like it was when you first seen it way back when....which you would think is unsafe in regards to pa standards....... it will transfer to pa these days.....THESE DAYS> so fair enough


. back to the point of this thread.


sad day. the Power boost finally went back.


the good.


i absolutely adored that rig. hands down the best machine i have ever put my wife in. best towing rig ever so far.....not even close. totally embarrasses the f250 godzilla with the exact same load.....for per move work. just amazing.



the best part was she was unwilling to let go of the power .... she absolutely did not want anything slower.....





the bad.



so for sure there was a period of nearly 5 months total we were without the vehicle over 3 years due to axle failures.

..these were not catastrophic failures that would leave you stranded but regardless it had to go in....you can look it up to get a full understanding...but getting parts to fix it was not happening in the short term.

which is the new normal....for anything these days. the kewl thing from that is my wife got to drive a crapload of factory program vehicles and really knows what is available. (hence she did not want a lesser powertrain)

our truck was the first recorded axle failure.

to get these to super tow they have a hybrid modern system of full float capacity for obvious reasons.

we did have two failures. so for sure these modern tow limits and how they got to it far surpass what we should be expected in a half ton....but 570 pounds of torque has consequences.

so this is not an issue for me its just a development thing. it will be developed out i am sure.

and really that should be it....

i would hope that would be it....but there is a worse problem...

i very seriously am starting to get to the point of hate for FMC. Like i went Toyota Shopping level of hate...

these people running the company are the most ignorant crap bags i have ever seen. THEY DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CUSTOMERS.... they claim to, but that is patently untrue. the deal they made with the devil (federal government) is causing most of these issues....and i hope it really hurts them worse before it is over....and by some magical miracle they actually learn from it.

this particular hybrid platform is unbelievable in capacity. definitely is demonstrably better then anything else out there so far.

it should have double the battery capacity as an option to give up for payload... it can run my house on a tank of gas for a week....in january keeping all of my meat freezers running and the heater keeping my wife and family cozy...you can barely hear it when it runs to charge itself up...if you are outside next to it.....indoors you will never know what its doing..

but this year they took away the options that my wife prefers for the level of machine we have....not sure why...well. i know why...we all know..MONEY.

you have to get all the chromed out gaudy garbage she dislikes to equivocate what we had in the lariat range that was monochrome or spend 85 k to have a non chromed out whatever....or get a stripper truck. no middle ground.

when they pulled the scheduled pro-power last year from the expedition which is what i had planned on getting next i was stunned. whomever came up with that idea needs to be tossed from the company. who the hell doesnt want a 19 avg city mpg 13 second 25 mpg hiway at 75 mph expedition?

at the end of the day....this 6600 pound powerboost truck was the cheapest to operate family vehicle we have ever owned. but we were looking at 6 months and 90 grand to get a replacement. that is unacceptable. disappointed is far too kind a description for me.

i am sincerely hoping there are supply issues or something....or its just too hard to keep reliability up that is the reason ford is not fully platforming this awesome capability for everything it makes.....


not just forcing the all electric bs. and for the record I love the electric machines...they haul arse for sure. but are a joke for the purported reasons to make them...ie cleaner ect.


so. there is only one thing faster then the powerboost with 4 doors. and hopefully her replacement machine is as good as this powerboost was. i will miss the pro power onboard for sure.....now i have to buy another natural gas generator for the house. dang it.






as for the newer rangers. i like them even more now over this same period of time.. they have some issues....and i do not get to drive them regularly anymore which just makes me want one now...the pricing is getting close for the 19-21s



my godzilla.

well...that fat bastard... it ate an engine. and all in has over 6 months of shop time for various issues.

but i still like it. great all around. and it is better then the 1/2 ton for my specific work application....which unfortunately i may be forced to make that choice again sooner then later....so we will see. for sure a ranger will not work so that is out.

all in all it is a very odd machine. it can pull off 12-16 mpg at 10500 plus cruising weight in 45-55 mph Appalachia hill and dale driving. so that is really impressive.

but not my constant normal unfortunately......

any steady state freeway is 12ish mpg......

towing my normal 10-14 k runs 8.5 down to 4 mpg.....which is same as the outgoing powerboost....

but to eat an engine --- three sets of plug wires--- 22 headlight bulbs ---a bunch of evap parts ect in 100 k and 6 months shop time....

i guess that is the new normal too.

looking across our work fleet....it is better then average. that is an aggregate of nissan ford dodge and gm 1/2 ton to 650 class.



if you made it through that ridiculous babble....your at least as crazy as i am.....we are in strange times. enjoy it while you can.

 

[bobbywalter]

Dodges V10 was an absolute monster though. I had one. A 95 4wd with a manual. Reg cab long box.

It woulda tore the guts out of my 460.

back in the 90s and early 2ks when i was tough trucking and truck pulling with my ranger....they always made the v10 dodges run in the diesel class.


definitely bad ass trucks.

 

[Roert42]

back in the 90s and early 2ks when i was tough trucking and truck pulling with my ranger....they always made the v10 dodges run in the diesel class.


definitely bad ass trucks.

You want one?

I got one for sale.
‘95 SLT V10 Auto 4x4
D60 front, D70 rear

 

[JohnnyO]

aye....sort of. i have a grey title. rebuilt/composite. if i rebuild my rig from its current decrepid state back to safe like it was when you first seen it way back when....which you would think is unsafe in regards to pa standards....... it will transfer to pa these days.....THESE DAYS> so fair enough


. back to the point of this thread.


sad day. the Power boost finally went back.


the good.


i absolutely adored that rig. hands down the best machine i have ever put my wife in. best towing rig ever so far.....not even close. totally embarrasses the f250 godzilla with the exact same load.....for per move work. just amazing.



the best part was she was unwilling to let go of the power .... she absolutely did not want anything slower.....





the bad.



so for sure there was a period of nearly 5 months total we were without the vehicle over 3 years due to axle failures.

..these were not catastrophic failures that would leave you stranded but regardless it had to go in....you can look it up to get a full understanding...but getting parts to fix it was not happening in the short term.

which is the new normal....for anything these days. the kewl thing from that is my wife got to drive a crapload of factory program vehicles and really knows what is available. (hence she did not want a lesser powertrain)

our truck was the first recorded axle failure.

to get these to super tow they have a hybrid modern system of full float capacity for obvious reasons.

we did have two failures. so for sure these modern tow limits and how they got to it far surpass what we should be expected in a half ton....but 570 pounds of torque has consequences.

so this is not an issue for me its just a development thing. it will be developed out i am sure.

and really that should be it....

i would hope that would be it....but there is a worse problem...

i very seriously am starting to get to the point of hate for FMC. Like i went Toyota Shopping level of hate...

these people running the company are the most ignorant crap bags i have ever seen. THEY DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CUSTOMERS.... they claim to, but that is patently untrue. the deal they made with the devil (federal government) is causing most of these issues....and i hope it really hurts them worse before it is over....and by some magical miracle they actually learn from it.

this particular hybrid platform is unbelievable in capacity. definitely is demonstrably better then anything else out there so far.

it should have double the battery capacity as an option to give up for payload... it can run my house on a tank of gas for a week....in january keeping all of my meat freezers running and the heater keeping my wife and family cozy...you can barely hear it when it runs to charge itself up...if you are outside next to it.....indoors you will never know what its doing..

but this year they took away the options that my wife prefers for the level of machine we have....not sure why...well. i know why...we all know..MONEY.

you have to get all the chromed out gaudy garbage she dislikes to equivocate what we had in the lariat range that was monochrome or spend 85 k to have a non chromed out whatever....or get a stripper truck. no middle ground.

when they pulled the scheduled pro-power last year from the expedition which is what i had planned on getting next i was stunned. whomever came up with that idea needs to be tossed from the company. who the hell doesnt want a 19 avg city mpg 13 second 25 mpg hiway at 75 mph expedition?

at the end of the day....this 6600 pound powerboost truck was the cheapest to operate family vehicle we have ever owned. but we were looking at 6 months and 90 grand to get a replacement. that is unacceptable. disappointed is far too kind a description for me.

i am sincerely hoping there are supply issues or something....or its just too hard to keep reliability up that is the reason ford is not fully platforming this awesome capability for everything it makes.....


not just forcing the all electric bs. and for the record I love the electric machines...they haul arse for sure. but are a joke for the purported reasons to make them...ie cleaner ect.


so. there is only one thing faster then the powerboost with 4 doors. and hopefully her replacement machine is as good as this powerboost was. i will miss the pro power onboard for sure.....now i have to buy another natural gas generator for the house. dang it.






as for the newer rangers. i like them even more now over this same period of time.. they have some issues....and i do not get to drive them regularly anymore which just makes me want one now...the pricing is getting close for the 19-21s



my godzilla.

well...that fat bastard... it ate an engine. and all in has over 6 months of shop time for various issues.

but i still like it. great all around. and it is better then the 1/2 ton for my specific work application....which unfortunately i may be forced to make that choice again sooner then later....so we will see. for sure a ranger will not work so that is out.

all in all it is a very odd machine. it can pull off 12-16 mpg at 10500 plus cruising weight in 45-55 mph Appalachia hill and dale driving. so that is really impressive.

but not my constant normal unfortunately......

any steady state freeway is 12ish mpg......

towing my normal 10-14 k runs 8.5 down to 4 mpg.....which is same as the outgoing powerboost....

but to eat an engine --- three sets of plug wires--- 22 headlight bulbs ---a bunch of evap parts ect in 100 k and 6 months shop time....

i guess that is the new normal too.

looking across our work fleet....it is better then average. that is an aggregate of nissan ford dodge and gm 1/2 ton to 650 class.



if you made it through that ridiculous babble....your at least as crazy as i am.....we are in strange times. enjoy it while you can.

Since Farley has been CEO and drunk the government's EV Kool-Aid, Ford's quality has dropped significantly. The pandemic didn't help, but still....
My Ranger has never been back to the dealer for anything other than a few oil changes for warranty purposes. 75k on it now. I consider myself lucky.
Only real issue was the rear shocks were shot at 50k but I replaced them myself, not a difficult job.

 

[bobbywalter]

Since Farley has been CEO and drunk the government's EV Kool-Aid, Ford's quality has dropped significantly. The pandemic didn't help, but still....
My Ranger has never been back to the dealer for anything other than a few oil changes for warranty purposes. 75k on it now. I consider myself lucky.
Only real issue was the rear shocks were shot at 50k but I replaced them myself, not a difficult job.

that is something i left out. and is of high importance.


i wont think twice about buying a 2019 ranger with 200k on it. or a coyote f 150 or godzilla 250....as long as they pass my inspection and the value is there...no sweat. in relatives they are as close to K.I.S.S. as we can get now.



unfortunately...
the technology in the powerboost....i will only lease for 2-3 years at this point...maybe 4-5 if its going well..... as much as i love that thing, way too many problems ARE GOING TO DEVELOPE HERE IN THE RUSTBELT. if i was down south or where it is really dry i would consider keeping it with the right warranty if i was utilizing the pro power system.

for sure i wish i would have been able to order another one and would have one if they didnt jank us around....but the current rig is a potential troublemaker....sooooooo. i am planning on turning in early depending on what the next gen system looks like.....or if Kim starts getting tickets in it....

 

[901wd#2]

Were the plug wires cooking from the manifold heat?

22 headlight bulbs?