Global Ranger revisited - again

[MastuhWaffles]

Sooner or later its going to be at a point where you wont be able to afford gas in a fullsize, and with cities growing more and more the smaller trucks will be more popular.

 

[6.2]

Uh, no, and no.

 

[Jim Oaks]

It's not about what the consumer wants. It's about what makes money, and what makes that money faster/better.

LOL. What the consumer wants is what makes money. Ford imported a Mazda pickup and called it a Courier until they could start producing Rangers in response to the popularity of the Toyota & Datsun pickups.

It's only a matter of time......

Oh, we'll eventually see a 30 mpg small pickup here in the US.

 

[6.2]

No, what the consumer BUYS in high quantities is what makes money.

Ford doesn't think they would sell enough to be worth it. Again, this is obvious because they aren't doing it! How can you seriously sit there and try and argue that FACT.

Would they make money? Sure. Would they make ENOUGH money? Probably not. Which is why it's not happening. It's pretty simple. Maybe you guys need to take a business course or something.

 

[Jim Oaks]

Hey man, it's ok. If you think Ford won't eventually bring back a downsized pickup, that's your thing. They're probably just running around the U.S. in the global Ranger to give input to the factories overseas that make them.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

It's not just people on the internet, it's like my dad, he can't really afford to drive an F-150 back and forth to work everyday, so he drives and eclipse, and he really wants a truck that can get at least 30mpg, and he's already looking at the new colorado. And lets say the colorado sells amazing, why would people need to buy an F-150, when they can get a truck almost equivalent size but with more mpg. Gas prices are going to continue to get more and more expensive. It would be suicide not to compete!

How does it work out that a truck almost the same size as another gets half again better milage?

I kinda wonder if they are not letting GM play guinea pig on this one.

My big beef is Ford cramming everything european down out throats at the moment because despite Ford being an American company located in America everything has to be "Global" now.

 

[kryptonitecb]

Not to add to the ranger battle but I will argue the diesel part. 30 mpg is possible, the older 12 valve cummins 2x4 got 22+. The newer ones get 18-20. Also I know someone who has a Ford diesel 2x4 which takes the blue pee and it cost $15 every 1500 miles while getting 18 mpg. If the Colorado is a small engine diesel 30 mpg is completely achievable.

As for maintenance that people keep talking about the over all cost is comparable to gas engines. Instead of plugs, wires, and other wear items you get an injector pump that wears out at around 200,000 miles and an engine rebuild at 300,000 miles.

 

[kryptonitecb]

One thing I forgot to add was the huge difference in power between gas and diesel. There is no comparison between the two.

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[85_Ranger4x4]

Not to add to the ranger battle but I will argue the diesel part. 30 mpg is possible, the older 12 valve cummins 2x4 got 22+. The newer ones get 18-20. Also I know someone who has a Ford diesel 2x4 which takes the blue pee and it cost $15 every 1500 miles while getting 18 mpg. If the Colorado is a small engine diesel 30 mpg is completely achievable.

As for maintenance that people keep talking about the over all cost is comparable to gas engines. Instead of plugs, wires, and other wear items you get an injector pump that wears out at around 200,000 miles and an engine rebuild at 300,000 miles.

A set of plugs every 100k is pretty cheap anymore vs a pump rebuild... if only diesels today only had a pump that went bad. Emissions crap has taken a lot of the wind out the "reliablity" sails.

IMO diesels are going downhill trying to keep the EPA happy while gas burners keep getting more and more perfected.

One thing I forgot to add was the huge difference in power between gas and diesel. There is no comparison between the two.

Either give the gasser some boost and DI or take it away from the diesel and the field gets a lot more even.

 

[WTF]

This is just a smart business move by Ford. Less models designed and produced globally means more money.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

This is just a smart business move by Ford. Less models designed and produced globally means more money.

Only if people in drastically different demographics are interested in them. IMO it is stupid to assume that something will be popular in North America just because it is popular in Europe.

 

[kryptonitecb]

Only if people in drastically different demographics are interested in them. IMO it is stupid to assume that something will be popular in North America just because it is popular in Europe.

They aren't, look at smart cars. While they have increased sales and shown an interest in NA they aren't nearly as popular as they are in other countries.

And agreed on the epa coming down on diesels. Most of the emissions systems being forced on them is due to bad pr by "coal burners" and not true science. While it is highly illegal, many people are reporting large power and mpg gains when the emission systems are removed.

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[1340flh]

I would take the new designed ranger if they build it over the 2015 designs of the Dodge Ram 1500 and the Dodge Dakota.

2015 Ford Ranger


2015 Dodge Ram 1500


2015 Dodge Dakota

The Ranger pic is not bad in that variation but I see alot of Toyota in that truck.
As for the 2 Dodges,Ugly as home made soap,Been better off they just build a El Camino?-Here me Chevy?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Not to add to the ranger battle but I will argue the diesel part. 30 mpg is possible, the older 12 valve cummins 2x4 got 22+. The newer ones get 18-20. Also I know someone who has a Ford diesel 2x4 which takes the blue pee and it cost $15 every 1500 miles while getting 18 mpg. If the Colorado is a small engine diesel 30 mpg is completely achievable.

I forgot I already has a post going here.

I wasn't picking on the engine as much as the truck. The global Ranger isn't that much smaller than a F-150. If one can get 30mpg the other shouldn't be very far behind.

 

[wildbill23c]

I sent an email to Ford in regards to the Ford Ranger coming back and here was the response.

Hello Bill,

My name is Kim and I am from the Ford Customer Relationship Center. I received your email regarding your inquiry about the Ford Ranger.

I appreciate your interest in our line of vehicles. I understand that you want to know when the Ford Ranger will be made available in US.

The Twin Cities Assembly plant, which produced the Ford Ranger compact pickup truck for sale in the U.S., ceased operations on December 19, 2011 following a long and storied history. Ford Motor Company is working closely with the city of St. Paul, Minnesota to return the property to productive use as quickly as possible.

In addition, vehicle models are sometimes discontinued due to factors such as market trends, customer demands, engineering advances, and dealership input. Ford Motor Company appreciates hearing from our customers, especially when customers provide us with valuable ideas, insight and feedback on our products and services. Information of this nature is collected and used in decision making processes by all departments of Ford.

We have forwarded your suggestions to our Engineering and Design Team for future consideration. You will only be contacted if a specific department requires additional information from you.

Furthermore, to share general ideas with Ford Motor Company on how we can enhance our products and services, please visit http://social.ford.com. Here consumers can voice their opinions on what they would like to see in their next vehicle, such as additional security features, more convenience items, and so on.

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Thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.

Kim
Customer Relationship Center
Ford Motor Company