Ford Bronco Wheels on your Ford Ranger

[85_Ranger4x4]

@sgtsandman Aren't you running the Bronco steelies on your 19?

Bronco steelies are the same as Ranger steelies.

As far as wheels go.. bronco & ranger wheels are pretty much perfectly swappable. Pattern & center bore size are the same.

19-23 rangers all come with +55mm offset wheels.

Non-sas broncos are +50mm, with sasquatch broncos having +30mm.

Braptors have a larger bolt pattern.


Very much fun fact though, which @85_Ranger4x4 might like to know... Is ranger raptor front suspension is 99% bolt on to new broncos.. providing a somewhat budget mid-travel setup. A guy can either just swap arms, brake lines, and axles and keep the bronco knuckles & brakes OR get the raptor knuckles and brakes and stuff to enjoy a great deal more stopping power.. 12 inch vs 14 inch rotors.

I'll have to write a bit about it on the bronco corral a little later if I remember.

Sasquatch suspension is bolt on too, ive seen a couple for under a grand.

I am thinking of a takeoff badlands suspension and 34's for ours.

 

[Blmpkn]

Most of my travel is 40mph or below. My commute is 4 miles to the shop. In tow mode it never gets above 6th gear going through town. With it off it shifts all the way to 8th. Then when you need to go it takes a second to find the gear it wants. So for me it's just more comfortable to drive. I know it doesn't change anything but the shift patterns.

Is your commute to the shop the majority of your driving? Or do you somewhat frequently get it out on the highway and let her eat? Lots of folks with super short commutes like you report fuel dilution of the motor oil.. a seeming downside to direct injection motors. It's bad enough for some people where they can literally watch the level on the dipstick rise over the course of the OCI.. taking it out for a longer drive where she gets nice and hot seems to help though.. the fuel will get burnt off through the PCV.

Bronco steelies are the same as Ranger steelies.

Sasquatch suspension is bolt on too, ive seen a couple for under a grand.

I am thinking of a takeoff badlands suspension and 34's for ours.

Is there real differences between sas & non sas besides the shocks?

From what I've seen on 6g.. stay miles away from the stock bilstiens that have the resi's. Loads of people are having the resi's rot right off.. some with only around 20-30k miles. Ford told bilstien to cheap out big-time it seems.

The ranger raptor front end will add about 3” to width and over an inch of travel IIRC, the only question remaining I believe is what the best option for a strut is.. which will be found out relatively soon I'm sure. Only weird bit is needing to monkey together the inside of the bronco cv to the outer of the ranger raptor cv to add the width.. wouldn't be surprised if ready made axles become available sooner than later.

I'll do more digging on the swap.. but seems like it can be done for less than 2k buying new parts from a dealer..

 

[Robertmangrum.rm]

Is your commute to the shop the majority of your driving? Or do you somewhat frequently get it out on the highway and let her eat? Lots of folks with super short commutes like you report fuel dilution of the motor oil.. a seeming downside to direct injection motors. It's bad enough for some people where they can literally watch the level on the dipstick rise over the course of the OCI.. taking it out for a longer drive where she gets nice and hot seems to help though.. the fuel will get burnt off through the PCV.



Is there real differences between sas & non sas besides the shocks?

From what I've seen on 6g.. stay miles away from the stock bilstiens that have the resi's. Loads of people are having the resi's rot right off.. some with only around 20-30k miles. Ford told bilstien to cheap out big-time it seems.

The ranger raptor front end will add about 3” to width and over an inch of travel IIRC, the only question remaining I believe is what the best option for a strut is.. which will be found out relatively soon I'm sure. Only weird bit is needing to monkey together the inside of the bronco cv to the outer of the ranger raptor cv to add the width.. wouldn't be surprised if ready made axles become available sooner than later.

I'll do more digging on the swap.. but seems like it can be done for less than 2k buying new parts from a dealer..

I do trips to my moms every so often. I do drop her down in Sassy mode and let her eat from time to time. The first couple of years I monitored the oil for fuel delusion. Sent it to DesCase here local filter company a buddy of mine works for. I did get some minor effects but nothing concerning. I could dig up the results somewhere.

 

[Robertmangrum.rm]

Bronco steelies are the same as Ranger steelies.

Sasquatch suspension is bolt on too, ive seen a couple for under a grand.

I am thinking of a takeoff badlands suspension and 34's for ours.

When I researched getting some steelies. The Ranger ones were offered in 16s and silver. But if you search Bronco they offered 17s and Black. I know there is really no difference in lug pattern or offset.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

When I researched getting some steelies. The Ranger ones were offered in 16s and silver. But if you search Bronco they offered 17s and Black. I know there is really no difference in lug pattern or offset.

Base Bronco has silver 16's like a Ranger. Black Diamond has black 17's.

 

[sgtsandman]

@sgtsandman Aren't you running the Bronco steelies on your 19?

I am not. At least not directly. I'm using rims listed as spare tire rims for the 2019+ Ranger and was what my spare tire was mounted on. It is possible that the same rims were/are used on the Bronco as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the critical dimensions of the Ranger and the Bronco are the same or similar enough to swap them back and forth.

 

[sgtsandman]

Running my transmission in tow mode all the time has eliminated any lag. It seems to hold the RPMs in the sweet spot to keep the turbo from lagging. Now as far as shifting when stomped on. It still takes a second to decide what gear. But I've not experienced and slipping or other shuttering issues others have reported.

Putting the shifter in Sport setting should do similar as well. Though, tow mode probably holds the gears longer for downhill than Sport mode would.

 

[Jim Oaks]

As far as wheels go.. bronco & ranger wheels are pretty much perfectly swappable. Pattern & center bore size are the same.

19-23 rangers all come with +55mm offset wheels.

Non-sas broncos are +50mm, with sasquatch broncos having +30mm.

Braptors have a larger bolt pattern.


Very much fun fact though, which @85_Ranger4x4 might like to know... Is ranger raptor front suspension is 99% bolt on to new broncos.. providing a somewhat budget mid-travel setup. A guy can either just swap arms, brake lines, and axles and keep the bronco knuckles & brakes OR get the raptor knuckles and brakes and stuff to enjoy a great deal more stopping power.. 12 inch vs 14 inch rotors.

I'll have to write a bit about it on the bronco corral a little later if I remember.

Yes please!!

 

[Blmpkn]

Yes please!!

I'll get on it ASAP.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Is your commute to the shop the majority of your driving? Or do you somewhat frequently get it out on the highway and let her eat? Lots of folks with super short commutes like you report fuel dilution of the motor oil.. a seeming downside to direct injection motors. It's bad enough for some people where they can literally watch the level on the dipstick rise over the course of the OCI.. taking it out for a longer drive where she gets nice and hot seems to help though.. the fuel will get burnt off through the PCV.



Is there real differences between sas & non sas besides the shocks?

From what I've seen on 6g.. stay miles away from the stock bilstiens that have the resi's. Loads of people are having the resi's rot right off.. some with only around 20-30k miles. Ford told bilstien to cheap out big-time it seems.

The ranger raptor front end will add about 3” to width and over an inch of travel IIRC, the only question remaining I believe is what the best option for a strut is.. which will be found out relatively soon I'm sure. Only weird bit is needing to monkey together the inside of the bronco cv to the outer of the ranger raptor cv to add the width.. wouldn't be surprised if ready made axles become available sooner than later.

I'll do more digging on the swap.. but seems like it can be done for less than 2k buying new parts from a dealer..

The two big issues I have with our BD offroad is the lack of ground clearance and suspension articulation. I have never disconnected the front sway bar (have to unbolt it) but I don't know how much of a difference it would really make. It does the unsettling teeter totter BS that really keeps you awake.

Both Badlands and anything Squatched gets a heavier front differential in addition to the suspension. Suspension doesn't care about the diff, just the center chunk is different.

HOWEVER, our car's main purpose is as a rural dd that can take snow and mud as needed. In that role it is beautiful. 25mpg hwy, runs 80-85mph like a dream as long as the crosswind isn't too stiff... so I am really scared to mess with it. I would like to do something akin to durasparking a 2.8. Something small that could night and day improve everything.

Used strut assemblies are like $500 for a set of four, either BL or squatch. Pretty tough to beat for the $$. Sooner or later replacement ones will be available aftermarket. IIRC BL is like a 2" lift (not huge) but can run up to 35" tires, OE for a BL was 33" tire (Our BD has 32's) So running 34's to keep the crash bars and we gain a little height in the suspension and a inch of tire... would help ground clearance a lot. BL suspension wouldn't hurt articulation any either.

Squatch would be the easiest solution but I really don't want to get into regearing. I haven't really looked into it but I don't want to cook the lil 10R60 with 35's pulling the popup.

I have yet to see a Ranger Raptor in real life, not going to be counting them for a viable parts source for quite some time yet. I really don't want to make the thing even wider either. It barely squeaks into the garage with its current beam.

And to circle back to Bronco wheels, if I did a lift and bigger tires I would LOVE to find a way to get rid of these stupidly designed rockrash bait wheels that have the spokes sticking outboard of the wheel bead asking for rocks to damage them. Luckly they painted the wheels back so gouges into the soft aluminum wheel are nearly undetectable. A real suspension lift, tires and wheels... that is a big wad of $$

But the 4500lb cave pig in the room is the old green thing I built in a cave with scraps. It has the clearance, it has the articulation, it has my heart. It is more enjoyable to wrench on, wheel and drive... so at the end of the day the Bronco is hard pressed to compete for funding. Especially if that funding would get my baby a crate motor and some extras.

 

[rubydist]

@Blmpkn - I appreciate your enthusiasm about EcoBoost engines, but objectively the 2.3 EB has noticable lag. The 2.0 EB and most of the 2.7 EB and 3.5 EB have small enough turbos that there is no noticable lag, but that is not true of a 2.3 EB or of the 2.7 EB in the Rangers that I have driven to date.

Of course you may not feel lag if you are driving at 50 mph and step on it, because the engine is already moving enough air that the turbo response is very fast. The time to notice turbo lag is off idle. Being in tow mode or sport mode does not resolve that unless it raises the idle speed so the turbo is spooling at idle. If you get in a 3.5 EB F-150 and mash on it off idle it responds right away - not so in a 2.3 EB in any vehicle I have driven.

Now I can believe that changing the transmission shift parameters can improve that, because I have experienced the "I don't know what gear to shift to" situation with stock tunes. In my experience, that comes from how quickly one moves the throttle pedal - if you move it real gently, it knows how to shift; if you move it real fast it knows how to shift; but if you move it somewhere in the middle it gets all confused for a second or two which seems like forever.

 

[snoranger]

@Blmpkn - I appreciate your enthusiasm about EcoBoost engines, but objectively the 2.3 EB has noticable lag. The 2.0 EB and most of the 2.7 EB and 3.5 EB have small enough turbos that there is no noticable lag, but that is not true of a 2.3 EB or of the 2.7 EB in the Rangers that I have driven to date.

Of course you may not feel lag if you are driving at 50 mph and step on it, because the engine is already moving enough air that the turbo response is very fast. The time to notice turbo lag is off idle. Being in tow mode or sport mode does not resolve that unless it raises the idle speed so the turbo is spooling at idle. If you get in a 3.5 EB F-150 and mash on it off idle it responds right away - not so in a 2.3 EB in any vehicle I have driven.

Now I can believe that changing the transmission shift parameters can improve that, because I have experienced the "I don't know what gear to shift to" situation with stock tunes. In my experience, that comes from how quickly one moves the throttle pedal - if you move it real gently, it knows how to shift; if you move it real fast it knows how to shift; but if you move it somewhere in the middle it gets all confused for a second or two which seems like forever.

I have never been accused of “moving the throttle real gently”. I consider the accelerator pedal an on/off switch… it’s either fully depressed or fully released. I’ve found in our 10 speed F250’s at work (50+) if you floor it, release and floor it again quickly, it will select a gear quicker and not hesitate to shift.
Both my ‘20 3.5l Ecoboost F150 (max tow package, 3.73 gears) and my ‘23 Ranger have/had turbo lag. Nothing major, but it was still there. I’ve owned many turbo and supercharged cars and trucks starting with my 83 Turbo Coupe back in ‘96. I really don’t know how these people do the remote turbo at the rear of the vehicle and say the lag isn’t bad. They just say that to make themselves feel better I guess.

 

[sgtsandman]

I agree, the 2.3 does have lag and it seems to rear it's ugly head at the least convenient times. Sport and towing modes help with that some since both settings tend to retard up shifting gears, keeping the engine RPM up and thus keeping the turbo spinning faster, reducing spool up time.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Ours is so different than my V8's and I drive it infrequently so it always feels weird. There is the initial impulse of power, boost kicks in and trans shift... so keeping track of what it is doing is like keeping tabs on a 30spd transmission. I let it do what it feels it needs to do and rake the spurs when I need to get it's attention.

 

[Blmpkn]

Hard to video the dash with one hand and still drive so forgive me on the poor camera work as well as the crap editing lol.

Did a few tests.. one essentially just off idle while going down the road at 36mph and locked in 7th. About as close to lugging the motor as you could get.. but considering 'just off idle' has been brought up as important.. I had to mimic those conditions while rolling.

2nd test was while locked in first, traveling only as fast as idling would provide.

And the final clip was with the shifter in auto/D moving along at 43mph or whatever.

In each test I have the gas pedal a healthy push, but less than 50% input.

The first test saw an immideate production of boost. Nein lagenshizer as the friendly Germans would say. The boost was instant because of the amount of load on the motor.

2nd test.. from a rolling idle to right around 50% throttle.. started seeing boost after one half second.

3rd test provided the same amount of pause between foot down and seeing positive pressure... A near insignificant one half second.

I'd be willing to bet a meaningful percentage of the half second pause between boost in the 2nd two tests can be attributed to the slight bit of lag that the cable-less throttle system provides.

As I said.. lag IS inherent with a turbo.. unless it's sized so incredibly small it makes boost at idle... BUT... comparing our measely one half second to the amount of lag gas turbo cars had from the 80s up until post 2010.... It really is a negligible amount.

Having the capability to data log would really tell the true story.. my test tells most of it accurately enough though.