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because we drive a lot from their house to the other surrounding small towns and none of those have chargers, either. the closest ones would be uvalde, which is south.

we basically have to fill up the truck or car every other day we are there if we go to any other towns for lunch or dinner. uvalde is the closest town at an hours drive, but we don't go down there to eat because they only have stuff like mcdonalds, whataburger, etc.

that is true though, plugging into the regular wall outlet. a person could do that too. i always forget about that being an option but its probably a more common way of charging than using a station for most people if they are at home.

i decided to google how far from our house to my parent's. its 231 miles so an electric vehicle with a range of 250 (on good days) would not work for that trip. its not flat, nor windless.
 


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Yeah, long distance they don't have it.

But for a dd one would have some merit. Especially if you have a common easy to maintain chassis to go along with it. Basically a beater but it would take some coin and I hate calling any first gen a beater.
 

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Wall outlet charging takes forever from what i read. You get like 3 miles or something every hour and thats under ideal conditions
 

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I have some major problems with electric vehicles.
First is the cost of battery replacement, we replaced a hybrid Escape battery under warranty in 2016 and the claim was over $14,000- and warranty doesn't pay full price. A new electric F150 battery has 10 cells in it at $7500 each and a complete battery for $42,000. If you keep an EV 10 years or buy a used one, you're going to buy a battery. Or you have a vehicle that needs to be disposed of as hazardous wate.
EV's are heavier so tires wear fast and are expensive. My friend's son had to have a Tesla, at 15,000 miles he paid $2500 for 4 tires at a discounted price.
As mentioned, the infrastructure to charge them doesn't exist. A Tesla fast charger requires a 70 amp service- my a/c and electric dryer each use "only" 30 amps and my house doesn't have an extra 70 amps.
A friend/former customer retired as a fire captain. I asked him how many first responders had been electrocuted at EV/hybrid wrecks. He said he didn't know but that there have been some killed- then he said there have been some passengers killed, too. It's interesting that fact hasn't been reprted by the news media.
 

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i like the mach e....the bolt is not ideal on the freeway but still fun around town....teslas are great. the rivian so far has been my favorite truck, though now the the ford is getting better i think. one neighbor so far with the cybertruk. and that thing is kewlz. have not got to drive or ride in a full production unit...maybe they will take me for a run if i ask. for truck stuff there is no way its worth the time it takes to get into it...but for a cruiser its pretty bad ass.

those trucks are higher dollar though.

for inter city traffic they are perfect.

young bobs girlfriend has a tesla and they have been up north with it this past year and it did present challenges but they were able to deal with it...they did not realize the cabin my son in law rented had a charging station...and used chargers in gaylord iirc...had a place east of grayling on 72. so that is a hike to go from our place just a few miles south of detroit up past grayling...

she has driven it across the country to oregon iirc. and that was a pia....but if a 20 or 21 year old female can do it you can call me impressed.

now, know this....this is a woman that rides a liter bike....so...she is no wall flower.


electric is not the solution. but can be a great option.
 

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Good point. Look how it has changed the power tool market. I have an battery powered chainsaw and I love it, and the batteries are interchangeable with other tools. Haven't tried the electric mowers yet but they are popular. That is where rechargeable battery operated stuff is working out great in some ways. In day to day commuter transportation, no it just not here yet. Time will tell. Just my 2 bits. Bits= (Inflation)
 

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I needed to make a 900 mile roundtrip a couple of weeks ago. At the last minute, I checked rental car prices and for $80 I could get a compact rental - with the difference in gas mileage that made it basically free to use someone else's car rather than one of my older vehicles.

Things went a little sideways when I got to the counter to pick up the car - the only things they had available were a minivan and a Tesla. The minivan didn't do me any good on gas mileage, and the Tesla introduced a whole new world of dealing with charging on a road trip that I was unprepared for. But those were the only two choices, so I took the Tesla. Prior to that I'd never ridden in an electric car, much less driven one around town or on a road trip.

The whole experience was fascinating. No one came out to explain the car to me, and it's like Tesla prides itself on doing things differently. Not necessarily better - just different. Just getting into the car was interesting. There's no key - just a card that you tap next to the B pillar and the car suddenly beeps and unlocks itself. Then the door handles themselves are -bizarre-. Honestly I hated them.

Driving it was a lot of fun. Under any circumstance - around town, on the highway, from a standstill - it would absolutely MOVE. This was just a basic model 3, but the instant power delivery of the system was attention grabbing. It was like watching the speedometer on an episode of Night Rider - the numbers will spin upwards magically as you nudge the accelerator.

Braking took a few minutes to adapt to, but I liked that side of things too. It's set up for one pedal driving - as you back off the accelerator, it intuitively transitions into regenerative braking. Once you get a feel for it, you can do nearly everything without touching the brake pedal. On the 450 miles back from Kentucky, I probably used the actual brake pedal once or twice.

Charging was a whole new adaptation. Once you put the destination into the system, it automatically determines charging stations along the route that line up with the cars current charge level, estimated range, etc. With the base model, I think the official range is around 250 miles. But that's based on charging all the way to 100% and going down to 0%. More realistically, I was charging to 80-85% and trying to refill at 15-20%. Two reasons for that - charging slows as the batteries get close to full, and I didn't want to take any risks of running low. Following the recommended stopping points worked very well. The nav system would route me directly to a bank of chargers, and I never got to a spot that didn't have multiple available to use. Using them is incredibly simple too. Just unclip the cable from the charging unit, press a button on the handle as you get to the car for the charging door to open, then plug it in. A few seconds later, a green light comes on and charging has begun. You can watch the status from the screen in the car or on your phone. Typical stops were around 15-30 minutes depending on how much I wanted to add to get to the next location.

One thing I hadn't considered was where the chargers would be located. They weren't typically at or near traditional gas stations. Instead, they'd be next to a fast food restaurant, coffee shop, grocery store, etc. So the MO became to plug the charging cable in and then go inside for a quick bathroom stop and a snack. Longer than my usual fuel stop, but not dramatically.

The only thing I absolutely HATED on the car was the automatic emergency braking. A couple of times the car simply decided that something happening well ahead of me (that I could clearly see would clear before I got there, like a car making a turn across my path of travel) was a desperate life critical emergency that required a VERY HARD deceleration. From what I can gather, this can be disabled somewhere in the controls, but only fur the current driving session. There isn't a way to disable it permanently.

All in all, I wasn't sold on owning one, but enjoyed the experience. It drove great (minus the automated braking), and charging wasn't a big deal along the route I took.
 

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I'd be down for a plug-in hybrid. My work commute is under 25mi both ways.. same with the weekly trips for groceries and whatever other errands come up. Not needing to buy gas except for on holidays or wheelin trips when I drive up north would be awesome. Hell.. the gas I save would pay for enough solar to charge the car after a year or two.

Electricity and vehicles ain't all bad. People get way out of control beating the dead horse of doom & gloom about policies that aren't going to come to fruition..
 

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i love the electric car idea and will be very happy once they are to the point that its as easy as gas cars. i think its super cool.

currently i think hybrids are the best deal out. the maverick is freaking awesome. if the dealerships would stop adding so much extra to the price of a maverick, just because its a maverick, i would already have one.
 

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Good point. Look how it has changed the power tool market. I have an battery powered chainsaw and I love it, and the batteries are interchangeable with other tools. Haven't tried the electric mowers yet but they are popular. That is where rechargeable battery operated stuff is working out great in some ways. In day to day commuter transportation, no it just not here yet. Time will tell. Just my 2 bits. Bits= (Inflation)
Interesting point of view...the friends and colleagues I know who are using them for day to day commuter transportation love them and think they are ideal for that purpose. They have the home charger and keep between that 15-85% range. Where they fell down was the longer distance/heavy towing.
e.g. A Lightning was great for commuting to/from work, but wasn't great for towing the boat to the lake and back and forget towing the 5th wheel.​
We have an cordless electric lawnmower:
I love not having to get a can of gas and the mess associated.​
I love that I just drop the battery in and it runs. No gummed up carb, fouled plugs, no pull starting.​
I dislike that the battery powered mower doesn't have the same power as the gas one. If I leave the lawn too long, I need to cut it high, then recut at desired level. It also can't run the dethatching blade (but my electic corded mower has issue with dethatching blade ).​
I dislike that the batteries don't last very long/need to cool before recharging/are slow to recharge. My little yard needs 3 batteries.​
 

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I have an battery powered chain saw for small, quick jobs and it is fine for that purpose. Anything more than that and the 2-cycle comes out.

A battery powered lawn mower wouldn't be ideal for my yard. While it isn't huge, portions of the yard, where the flower garden used to be, grows so thick that the gas mower has a difficult time dealing with it while only cutting 1/3 of the deck width per pass at times.

Battery powered tools, equipment, and vehicles have their uses as long as they are used withing their limitations.
 

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I'd be down for a plug-in hybrid. My work commute is under 25mi both ways.. same with the weekly trips for groceries and whatever other errands come up. Not needing to buy gas except for on holidays or wheelin trips when I drive up north would be awesome. Hell.. the gas I save would pay for enough solar to charge the car after a year or two.

Electricity and vehicles ain't all bad. People get way out of control beating the dead horse of doom & gloom about policies that aren't going to come to fruition..
I'd be down for PHEV Ranger/F-150 too, but I want the remaining ICE to be able to handle when I use the vehicle as a truck. e.g. for my F150, I'd take a 2.3 Ecoboost with adequate electric motor/battery; I'd be willing to 'lose' the transfer case and go with electric front axle for 4wd.

The issue with PHEV is it only creates a minimal electric infrastructure/no incentive to improve pure electric. So, the 'evangalists' need to push pure electric or we don't get infrastructure rolled our very far.
 

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I have some major problems with electric vehicles.
First is the cost of battery replacement, we replaced a hybrid Escape battery under warranty in 2016 and the claim was over $14,000- and warranty doesn't pay full price. A new electric F150 battery has 10 cells in it at $7500 each and a complete battery for $42,000. If you keep an EV 10 years or buy a used one, you're going to buy a battery. Or you have a vehicle that needs to be disposed of as hazardous wate.
EV's are heavier so tires wear fast and are expensive. My friend's son had to have a Tesla, at 15,000 miles he paid $2500 for 4 tires at a discounted price.
As mentioned, the infrastructure to charge them doesn't exist. A Tesla fast charger requires a 70 amp service- my a/c and electric dryer each use "only" 30 amps and my house doesn't have an extra 70 amps.
A friend/former customer retired as a fire captain. I asked him how many first responders had been electrocuted at EV/hybrid wrecks. He said he didn't know but that there have been some killed- then he said there have been some passengers killed, too. It's interesting that fact hasn't been reprted by the news media.
I replaced the hybrid battery in my wife's 2006 Prius in 2018 for a cost of $1500 and it was readily available at a parts store within walking distance of my house. It also took no more than an hour to swap out with basic hand tools. That car now has about 230k on it, about 80k on the new battery, and we have had zero issues with the replacement battery. The Toyota dealer wanted $6000 for it - so if you are basing that argument off dealer ripoff prices alone - then yes, it sounds horrible. Most people would go with an aftermarket part though and functionally it would be exactly the same and at a much lower price.

A friend of mine has had two Teslas and they do extensive travelling to see their kids in CO, MN & WA from home base here in South Dakota. They have not had issues with expensive tires or not being able to find a charger. He said it's way cheaper than any gas vehicle including several Prius's they had before and charging is no big deal even in rural Wyoming as long as you use some common sense. Given that most people buying EVs are probably living in a city... the charger thing is a non-issue.

Another friend of mine is a career firefighter & EMT, and his wife was an EMT and now teaches that field at a tech school. Neither of them have ever mentioned EV cars being a problem in that line of work. There are a million ways for a firefighter to die and that is just simply not one of the big ones.

I respect your experience with your previous job but I'm telling you that myself and close acquaintances that I trust have not seen these issues that you speak of. I don't have an EV and I have nothing to gain by promoting them, I don't have any desire to brainwash you, I'm just telling you the truth.
 

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I replaced the hybrid battery in my wife's 2006 Prius in 2018 for a cost of $1500 and it was readily available at a parts store within walking distance of my house. It also took no more than an hour to swap out with basic hand tools. That car now has about 230k on it, about 80k on the new battery, and we have had zero issues with the replacement battery. The Toyota dealer wanted $6000 for it - so if you are basing that argument off dealer ripoff prices alone - then yes, it sounds horrible. Most people would go with an aftermarket part though and functionally it would be exactly the same and at a much lower price.
If it sounds horrible go price OEM reman vs aftermarket reman transmissions or engines... same difference.
 

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