Door jamb sticker

[97RangerXLT]

Ford verified some info and supplied some. They say the truck was built with these tires:
P265/75R15SL S/BLT OWL A-T
What's S/BLT? Serrated Black Letters? If that's so, then Ford is saying it could have been either black letters or white letters, as long as it's that size. It can't be both BLT and OWL unless I'm misunderstanding.

That it came with the 31" tires would make sense, as the speedo reads about 5mph high at 60mph (with 235/75R15) so 31" should bring speedo about in line, also, nice to know that by going to 31" I am actually putting the correct tire and someone along the way went to the 235's because they're like half the price, and, it is also a correct tire for the model (but not for that specific truck, relative to its speedo gear).

DMV surely has records but the thing is, I believe (perhaps wrongly) that the relevant info they would give me - if anything - would be where it was registered and I already know that from the Carfax - it was always registered here in Roanoke (2 owners - the first owner kept it 20 years and the second, 5 years). I don't think they will give you the people's names and really I don't care about that, I'm not going back to them for anything. Luckily the dealer had printed the Carfax for me, as once it came off their ad, I can no longer get the free Carfax on it.

The other interesting thing Ford supplied is where it was sold. That's not the same as the ordering dealer, but for purposes of the sticker I can make an assumption that they ordered it... it really doesn't matter especially if Ford doesn't know, and it doesn't affect the truck in the same way as knowing what tires it had originally. It was sold 20 miles from here which would make sense. I have a mind to drop by there and see if they have the original invoice - and I guess I could ask them if they'd give me their dealer region code, that would be the same for any vehicle they order. Granted the region codes change over time, but it's not a critical thing.

One thing funny is they said the trans is 5R44E / 5R55E. Was there even a 5R44E? This I may be able to tell from transmission tag (?). The shop manual says it would be either 4R44E or 5R44E and I'm pretty darn sure it's not the first.

Funny they can find some things and not others. You'd think they could put their hands on a build sheet. Seems like the info comes from different places. They refer me to Marti, but pretty sure Marti can't get me a build sheet. True they have some things.

Now all I am missing is

Rim size (this I can get by looking at the backs)
Tire inflation pressure for 265/75R15
Front Gross wt
Rear Gross wt
Special Order Code (I'll assume for now it had none....)
Front Axle Reserve
Total Accessory Reserve

I think that's it... I think one or more of you have a '97 XLT so if you have the large tires you could tell me the pressure?
As to the weights and reserves this has to be tied to the spring codes? Or it's standard for the model? I'd appreciate any help there.
They said gross wt is 4920 if that helps any.

Oh, one other thing, they verified E4 as Vermillion Solid, my shop manual says it's Vermillion c/c (clearcoat) so I'm wondering wtf is "solid" unless they mean, it wasn't 2-tone. I don't think they mean it wasn't c/c. But "solid" isn't in the manual, you see what I'm saying there. I really doubt it was -not- c/c, I think they all were.

It's a slog.

Edit: Ford say S/BLT is Steel Black Lettering. I have no idea what that is. Steel belted radials? Steel colored letters?

I will try to get a picture of my sticker, it came with 265s from the factory as well and is pretty much the same truck as yours

AJ

 

[James Morse]

That would be fantastic, thanks.

 

[97RangerXLT]

Here ya go

 

[James Morse]

Your truck made in Twin Cities MN as you probably know. Production numbers would have to be per line per year (I think) not per line per model year as they would not have built 51k of next year's model yet.
Rear only anti-lock. Vinyl seats medium graphite. Ordered from Chicago Region. AM/FM Premium Cassette. 3.73 LSD 8.8".
No Dealer Special Order codes. I've never seen them yet and I don't know what they would be. Wild guess it would be for tubular rear bumper, Baja "roll" bars, etc.
It answers the missing info for the tire pressure. I also have these same tires spec'd but I have 235's now. Spent a long time hashing over going to "bigger" tires then finally I found out the so called bigger were stock. Explains speedo 5mph discrepancy.

Front and Rear axle reserve you have F0047 and T0109. I do not find a decode for this nor do I know what it means.

My GVWR says 4920 you are 5060 so that's different. I was hoping it would be the same so I could use the Front and Rear weights and the Reserves. I don't know how those things are calculated, it has to be partly dependent on springs.

You should have front springs F37A-5310-MA and rears F27A-5560-XB. I can check those against mine, if I can find where it's on the fronts.
Or maybe there is an error in the report on my weight but I have no grounds to assume that.

I am curious why the weights are different. What would make your truck 140 lbs heavier? Do you have steel wheels? I don't think that would make it 35 lbs per wheel heavier though that doesn't seem sensible.

THANK YOU.

 

[97RangerXLT]

interestingly enough, it does not have vinyl seats, it has cloth split bench 60/40. it even came with a sticker in the rear window that it was built in the Twin Cities plant. As for ordered from Chicago, that is probably correct as my Parents (original owners) bought it from a Ford dealer in Central IL. not special ordered, just grabbed off the lot. also can confirm no dealer special add ons either.

Not sure why mine is speced at a higher GVW, maybe I got heavier springs on the rear? it did come with Billstein shocks from the factory...

The spare tire is the same as yours, and if you look at the sidewall of that spare, it says "for temporary use only" and I do have a full size spare and a 31" tire does *not* fit in between the frame rails unless you let the air out of it lol. I just keep mine in the bed, and if I need to haul stuff I just go without it.

AJ

 

[James Morse]

Excellent.
I made an error reading the shop manual, yes, your E2 interior signifies cloth bench seat. I was looking at the Aerostar codes, sorry.
4x4 XLT would have come with Performance Package which was rear stabilizer bar and heavy duty shocks. That's according to the brochure, which can be trusted for most (not all) things.
So that probably explains the Bilsteins. Surprised they lasted this long. I'll see if I can determine what mine are.
I will check my spring codes, not sure where it would be on the fronts. Rears I've seen it, just don't have it in front of me, will have to look again.

That's interesting about the spare so you have 235/70R15 as well for that, I gather. Shop manual says that's the max. Thanks for the heads up about that. Sounds like maybe I should search out a good 5th wheel matching my others. Otherwise I'd be in that situation of having to put the spare on the front and not use 4x4 and with my luck that would happen just when I need the spare. Although I have to say, how often does one get a flat off-road? But if you do, I see the potential nightmare.

 

[James Morse]

Auto Rim Shop | 15" OEM Wheel Rim

not cheap. might find a decent one in junk yard.

means budgeting for 5 tires not 4, as well.

plus deciding out of the many ways to carry it, how. Then you want mods... putting it on a swing-out tailgate mount does add weight to the back, that's a good thing. Short term could just do like you it would be fine.

does anyone ever roof mount the spare? as to weight it's putting it in the wrong place, and it increases the total height, if that's any concern. seems like I don't see it much.

 

[racsan]

5040 was a heavier rear spring pack. my 93 4.0 4x4 supercab had that. I still have its rear springs somewhere.

 

[James Morse]

I'm sorry, what's 5040 is that a GVWR weight or a spring #?

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

Auto Rim Shop | 15" OEM Wheel Rim

not cheap. might find a decent one in junk yard.

means budgeting for 5 tires not 4, as well.

plus deciding out of the many ways to carry it, how. Then you want mods... putting it on a swing-out tailgate mount does add weight to the back, that's a good thing. Short term could just do like you it would be fine.

does anyone ever roof mount the spare? as to weight it's putting it in the wrong place, and it increases the total height, if that's any concern. seems like I don't see it much.

Yeah, I’d search junkyards for a matching rim. I just recently picked up two matching ones for my F-150 that happened to have good tires on them which also matched the tire size I run, so there’s always the chance you could find a matching rim with the right size tire that’s still good.

Swing out carrier on an aftermarket bumper would be the way I’d go. It’s probably the best option if you can’t put it under the bed. In the bed often ends up in the way. Roof mounted, well, Jeep guys have done it a bit and as my one buddy put it, “wait till you have to put a muddy tire up there and see how fast you re-think that idea.” It’s not too much of a height issue unless you get really lifted or have to go in parking garages or something, but it can prove very difficult to get a muddy flat back up there.

 

[racsan]

5040 is a gvwr. Part of what makes that heavier rating is a beefier spring pack. I dont know the # and im not sure I have a picture of the door sticker from my ‘93.

 

[James Morse]

Is there any way to figure the front/rear weights from the spring codes?
I have just about everything for my door sticker reconstruct except f/r weights and f/r reserve weights
there has to be some kind of algorithm

I can see rear spring code
where is it marked on fronts, on the coils?

don't know if that will help me with the weights but I need it for spring codes on the sticker anyways

 

[RonD]

Look up Curb Weight for your year and model

70/30 is usual split on pickups

3,000lb curb weight would be 2,100lbs on front axle, 900lbs on rear axle
But rear on pickups also need "load rating" added, so 1/2 ton rating means 1,000lbs added, so 500lb per leaf which makes for a very stiff ride, better to use lower rated leafs with an overload leaf on each side

 

[James Morse]

The GVWR is 4920. But here's the thing the front/rear add up to more than the total.

I'm going by example stickers like earlier in this thread: (97RangerXLT's sticker)
He has 5060 total
front 2850 and rear 2570 that adds up to 5420, which doesn't equal the total
it's also split roughly 50/50 not 70/30

his front accessory reserve is 47 lbs
and total accessory reserve is 109 lbs

those last two are in a little box in the lower right on the sticker, it starts F or T
F047
T109

I don't know what those are, but they're needed on the sticker

I said front and rear reserve before but it's front and total accessory reserve

 

[lil_Blue_Ford]

I could probably post some of my door stickers, but I dunno if that info would really help because I don’t know how much difference there is across generations. Don’t have any third gens here at all. 92, 99, four 2000 and one 2001 for extended cabs, one 89 reg cab.