Cybertruck Reveal

[rusty ol ranger]

You want fair?

I think grumpaws challenge was as fair as it was gonna get.

Just face the fact EVs are inferior just like they have been the last 100 years.

 

[Grumpaw]

I wouldn't encourage you to test drive one right now either because they don't exist yet so you'd be wasting time and looking like a crazy person. I agree that you won't know until you actually do it, but seeing as how the truck won't be here for 3-5 years that's kind of difficult. I think it's a reasonably fair comparison using the data we have available. The highest level Tesla truck will reportedly have a 500 mile range. Tesla has been pretty good about getting their quoted range so I feel ok using that number. I cut that in half for towing, which is about what Model X towing tests have shown. It's also pretty similar to the increase in fuel consumption in a modern ICE truck while towing. I was just trying to give you an "educated guess" for your hypothetical test since it can't actually happen for several more years. The difference isn't as tsark as many people might think. EVs and charging are more advanced than many people realize or will admit. They're not perfect by any means, but I think if we're going to judge them, we should do it as fairly and unbiased as we currently can.

Don't get me wrong...EV's will happen and become more of the "norm" in the future. Companies have been producing them for years, and other than Tesla, their reliable.
But until there are readily available charging stations (like the # of gas stations) that can recharge a battery very quickly (like filling up a fuel tank) consumers, other than those that just drive a few miles per day, are not going to embrace it with open arms.
Grump[aw

 

[stmitch]

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Here watch this. Im sure the elon disciples among us will make every excuse in the book, but this is a very good example of just how shitty battery power is compared to IC.

First, understanding what EVs are, and what they're currently vcapable of does not necessarily make somebody an "Elon Disciple". I've been fairly critical of Tesla many times on this forum and in this thread. It's entirely possible for a poorly run company to make impressive things. And I think it's entirely possible that a company that's better at making cars (Ford or GM) could make a better EV truck than Tesla has.

The video above is not surprising to me. It follows the trend of this article where a couple towed their camper around the country with a Tesla Model X: https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122487_towing-a-camper-with-a-tesla-model-x-thank-elon-for-superchargers

I accounted for that reduced range when I took the reported 500 mile range of the Tesla and cut it in half. It's a very similar reduction to the F150s in the comparison I posted that are rated in the mid 20s for highway mpg, but get single digit economy when towing.

I'm not a Tesla fanboi or Elon disciple, but I think if we're going to judge these things, we should atleast be intellectually honest and as unbiased as we can otherwise you're just doing yourself a disservice.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Ill tell you what...

You go buy an oversized barbie jeep, and ill take my 460 powered 22yr old F250.

We'll start on US127 at the ohio state line with an 8500-9000lb trailer.

We'll run all the way to grand marias michigan, way up in the tippy top of the UP.

Stay at the speed limit the whole way.

Lets see who gets there first. As a little wild card lets do it in the middle of august...so A/C will be a basic must.

Dont worry ill bring a strap so when your EV dies i can atleast pull you to a parking lot.

We'll have someone film the festivites.

This is an open challenge to anyone willing with an electric "truck" tesla or otherwise.

Besides bobby because he'll bring some homebrewed thing that isnt close to factory.

 

[stmitch]

Don't get me wrong...EV's will happen and become more of the "norm" in the future. Companies have been producing them for years, and other than Tesla, their reliable.
But until there are readily available charging stations (like the # of gas stations) that can recharge a battery very quickly (like filling up a fuel tank) consumers, other than those that just drive a few miles per day, are not going to embrace it with open arms.
Grump[aw

Yeah, I've already said in this thread that EVs don't currently compare to ICEs for long trips, but that gap is getting smaller all the time. If you tow a lot, an EV probably isn't the best choice, but again, it's getting closer all the time. For the savings in fuel cost over an ICE truck you can rent a more appropriate vehicle for long trips or when you need to tow 1 million lbs around the globe 5 times like most people do.

Fueleconomy.gov has a great side by side comparison tool that you can customize for your specific driving needs and electricity costs to see exactly how much any vehicle (including EVs, hybrids, etc) would cost vs another vehicle. It can be an eye opener:
Here's a comparison of 3 brand new Hyundai small sedans (1 all electric, 1 58mpg hybrid, and one 35mpg gas):

Compare Side-by-Side

Compare the MPG of cars and trucks side-by-side. Compare the gas mileage and greenhouse gas emissions of new and used cars and trucks

www.fueleconomy.gov

The calculation is done for a 15k mile annual driver with current fuel prices and an electric rate of $0.13/kwh. The electric costs $0.032/mile, the hybrid that gets 58mpg costs $0.0448/mile, and the 35mpg ICE version costs $0.074/mile. The electric cuts running costs in half vs the 35mpg new econobox, and that doesn't include lower maintenance, gas price fluctuations, or potentially cheaper electric rates.

If you had a gas pump in your garage that cost 30% less than gas at the station down the road, how often would you need to visit a gas station? How many gas stations would you need to have to feel comfortable in that situation? It's difficult for most people to really grasp without experiencing it, but essentially, that's how an EV works. You can leave your house with a "full tank" every day. You can go a couple hundred miles on that full tank before you have to stop again. You don't need chargers at every intersection.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Yeah, I've already said in this thread that EVs don't currently compare to ICEs for long trips, but that gap is getting smaller all the time. If you tow a lot, an EV probably isn't the best choice, but again, it's getting closer all the time. For the savings in fuel cost over an ICE truck you can rent a more appropriate vehicle for long trips or when you need to tow 1 million lbs around the globe 5 times like most people do.

Fueleconomy.gov has a great side by side comparison tool that you can customize for your specific driving needs and electricity costs to see exactly how much any vehicle (including EVs, hybrids, etc) would cost vs another vehicle. It can be an eye opener:
Here's a comparison of 3 brand new Hyundai small sedans (1 all electric, 1 58mpg hybrid, and one 35mpg gas):

Compare Side-by-Side

Compare the MPG of cars and trucks side-by-side. Compare the gas mileage and greenhouse gas emissions of new and used cars and trucks

www.fueleconomy.gov

The calculation is done for a 15k mile annual driver with current fuel prices and an electric rate of $0.13/kwh. The electric costs $0.032/mile, the hybrid that gets 58mpg costs $0.0448/mile, and the 35mpg ICE version costs $0.074/mile. The electric cuts running costs in half vs the 35mpg new econobox, and that doesn't include lower maintenance, gas price fluctuations, or

If you had a gas pump in your garage that cost 30% less than gas at the station down the road, how often would you need to visit a gas station? How many gas stations would you need to have to feel comfortable in that situation? It's difficult for most people to really grasp without experiencing it, but essentially, that's how an EV works. You can leave your house with a "full tank" every day. You can go a couple hundred miles on that full tank before you have to stop again. You don't need chargers at every intersection.

Sounds like excuses to me.

The challenge stands.

What are you scared of? A measly ol 22 yr old EEC IV speed density big block?

If you cant compete with that...then lets drop it.

Besides, its gonna be a few years before they hit the market anyways, if battery tech is advanceing as fast as you say it shouldnt be an issue should it?

Actually...tell ya what. Youre scared of distance? Lets overload the piss out of them both and find a nice steep hill to start at the bottom of.

Im not scared...are you?

 

[Uncle Gump]

I really don't have a dog in the debate... It's going to happen. I will adapt to the offerings when the time comes.

I kinda see bobby walters grandson supervising a Helium - 3 mining crew sending a load back to earth from the moon. But I could be wrong... again

 

[stmitch]

Ill tell you what...

You go buy an oversized barbie jeep, and ill take my 460 powered 22yr old F250.

We'll start on US127 at the ohio state line with an 8500-9000lb trailer.

We'll run all the way to grand marias michigan, way up in the tippy top of the UP.

Stay at the speed limit the whole way.

Lets see who gets there first. As a little wild card lets do it in the middle of august...so A/C will be a basic must.

Dont worry ill bring a strap so when your EV dies i can atleast pull you to a parking lot.

We'll have someone film the festivites.

This is an open challenge to anyone willing with an electric "truck" tesla or otherwise.

Besides bobby because he'll bring some homebrewed thing that isnt close to factory.

Why are you so defensive about this? Why do you call it "an oversized barbie jeep" like that's a derogatory term? Are kids or women inferior to you, so "barbie jeep" is an insult? Why even assume that I'm interested in "an oversized Barbie Jeep"? I have no need for this thing, just like I have no need for a truck with a 460. I think it looks awful, and I don't trust Tesla's build quality or engineering for my long term ownership. That doesn't mean that the tech is without merit or not worth discussing. I also have no need to compete with you to satisfy whatever challenge you're proposing. I'm just discussing a new technology, for the most part like adults.

I really think it's worth some introspection on your part to figure out why you're so threatened by anything different, or anybody that challenges you intellectually. You have a tendency to judge anybody that wants or appreciates anything different from yourself. You talk down to those who would dare spend their money on something like this like you're superior but It comes off like you're insecure with yourself and either afraid of change, or jealous of those who might afford these new things. Throwing out challenges to strangers on the internet screams "I'm not secure with myself and need validation". Feel free to ignore my posts moving forward, and I'll do the same for yours unless you suddenly become interested in things besides chest thumping, or internet dick measuring.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Why are you so defensive about this? Why do you call it "an oversized barbie jeep" like that's a derogatory term? Are kids or women inferior to you, so "barbie jeep" is an insult? Why even assume that I'm interested in "an oversized Barbie Jeep"? I have no need for this thing, just like I have no need for a truck with a 460. I think it looks awful, and I don't trust Tesla's build quality or engineering for my long term ownership. That doesn't mean that the tech is without merit or not worth discussing. I also have no need to compete with you to satisfy whatever challenge you're proposing. I'm just discussing a new technology, for the most part like adults.

You have a tendency to judge anybody that wants or appreciates anything different from yourself. You talk down to those who would dare spend their money on something like this like you're superior but It comes off like you're insecure with yourself and either afraid of change, or jealous of those who might afford these new things. Throwing out challenges to strangers on the internet screams "I'm not secure with myself and need validation". Feel free to ignore my posts moving forward, and I'll do the same for yours unless you suddenly become interested in things besides chest thumping, or internet dick measuring.

Im judgeing?

Pot callin the kettle black there son.

You can call it whatever you want...i aint gotta sit here and defend myself to mealy mouthed weiners like you.

I was keeping it civil but im sorry (not) if your "feels" got hurt because i insulted and demeaned an obvious inferior pile of shit tech that has no place in the real world.

Wah.

 

[Uncle Gump]

Uncle Gump <-------- loves this place

 

[Uncle Gump]

Zen... for me at least

 

[JOLENE_THE_RANGER]

im just gonna go ahead and say, that i love it. and the fact that this thread has more pages than just about any other thread in this short amount of time... i guess its doing its job ey? haha
"its ugly" "batteries are not as capable" well yea maybe. but its a foot in the door and a start in the right direction. sure lithium battery mining is horrible but if someone doesnt get the conversation started how are we supposed to progress? lithium is not the end all be all for batteries, charging as (as we know it) isnt the only way...ITS JUST THE ONLY WAY RIGHT NOW. the technology in this is incredible. have you seen how the bed cover rolls up and disappears? wild! longevity? eh we dont know yet. 500 miles to a charge and 0-60 in 2.9 for the tri motor version. thats a fuckin hoot. but whats more incredible and immesureable is what we will accomplish. for the last how ever long automobile power sources has not advanced much because every one is building the same shit. sure we got seat heaters, turbos and back up cameras. but for the most part everything is the same. this will open the door to new tech possible new batteries, new charging systems and new solutions to propulsion basically.

this is one of the first electric trucks ever. if you wanna get mad and say your f150 thats been being engineered for the last 40 years can beat it, well all i gotta say is with 40 years of engineering behind it.... ya it BETTER!

also, to add to the "f150 should tow 8k easily" no. i towed my ranger with a buddys newer (2017-2018 i think) 5.0 f150. 4020# on the ranger and 2-2500# trailer. well call it 7000 pounds total and it was NOT a piece of cake

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The F-150 was doomed when they let it roll backwards before trying to accelerate.

+1

Pitting a 2wd against a 4wd/AWD doomed it even more. Very cheap shot.

If they want to do it right start with comparable trucks, get them to weigh the same and hook them to a freaking sled.

 

[Uncle Gump]

I went from being the remote control... to controlling the entire house from a touch pad.

Is a different type of propulsion system really that far of a stretch?

I say no.

We will adapt easily... and gonna be a fun ride for me.

After bobby shows me the way

 

[JOLENE_THE_RANGER]

Is a different type of propulsion system really that far of a stretch?

I say no.

lucky for us you're not in charge.

did people in the 70s think wed have digital cameras that send instant messages, play porn and make phone calls in our pockets? doubt it
hell, my teachers 10 years ago said i needed to know multiplication cuz i wouldn't always have a calculator in my pocket. HAH