corona vaccine side effects

[Roert42]

China caused this. They should be paying for everything and the vaccine should be withheld from them until they at very minimum clean up their eating practices.

Comparing what should happen (because it’s the right thing to do) to what’s going to happen ( because, **** you, I have the most money ) is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

 

[Dirtman]

China is making their own stuff, no one is "giving them" a vaccine at any point. They have no reason to care what we or the rest of the world does. Same with all the communist places, they are on their own.

And it's not a money thing as to who gets it first. If 8 people pay for a pizza together everyone gets a slice. You don't get to eat as much as you want and tell the other 7 people they can fight over whats left...

Pfizer? I think thats the company refused hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S money for that reason. They worked on the vaccine globally in the interest of science. They could not accept the money from the U.S and continue to work with scientists from around the world because the U.S was essentially saying "we are buying this vaccine just for us". No one would want to work with a company that's first priority would be to one place.

 

[adsm08]

Anybody had their shingle shots? 2 doses, many folks feel crappy after getting each shot - still beats getting shingles

Wouldn't know. Never got the shot, just had the Shingles.


I see and hear a lot of people saying this and that about this new vaccine. Personally, I'd be willing to get it. So it goes wrong, I'm young and healthy enough that I'll probably survive. I'm ok with being a guinea pig on this one if it helps refine the vaccine.

 

[MikeG]

They are creating the vaccine in the interest of profit, no science. They are in business to make money, after all.

Normally vaccine development takes at least ten years, sometimes longer. Frankly I'm OK with sending the vaccine to China first, to see if they actually got it "right" in a few months, vs. a decade.

Time will tell......

 

[Dirtman]

How is a free vaccine only about profit and not science? The cost per dose is only $19 dollars and the government is covering it.

Also, vaccine development is not what takes years. FDA regulations do. What they "skipped" was the several year period between trials and approval the FDA mandates for any new drug. There was no skimping on the actual scientific development. Several hundred thousand people around the world have already taken the vaccine in the trials.

 

[MikeG]

$19 x everyone on earth, I'm pretty sure they are going to make a profit on it.

The trials are there for a reason, if they nail it on the first pass, great, if not.... oops.

You do know the companies that make vaccines have immunity to lawsuits if the vaccines are defective, right?

 

[Dirtman]

They have done trials, alot of them. They didn't skip the trials, they skipped the waiting period between trails and FDA aproval. The latest trial in the U.S alone was 45,000 people and they have been taking place around the world for months.

You are also completely wrong about drug companies having "immunity" from legal responsibility from defective vaccines. They are simply not liable for damages from the inherent danger of known side effects.

 

[danielp3344]

As I understand it, the waiting period is to make sure nobody gets cancer, etc from the vaccine before the FDA gives it approval. Some side effects do take years to surface. Not being at any particular risk myself I'll give it a while before I consider getting a vaccine, but I don't think I have a problem with whats going on atm as well as people are given options and being accurately informed.

 

[Dirtman]

As I understand it, the waiting period is to make sure nobody gets cancer, etc from the vaccine before the FDA gives it approval. Some side effects do take years to surface. Not being at any particular risk myself I'll give it a while before I consider getting a vaccine, but I don't think I have a problem with whats going on atm as well as people are given options and being accurately informed.

You are exactly right. The waiting period is for long term effects. The counter side of that, we have no idea of the long term effects of the coronavirus itself. People who have had it with little or no symptoms could develop dangerous conditions years from now. To make that point from this very thread, shingles is a condition caused by the chicken pox virus that takes years or decades to appear. Who knows what weird illness people could develop from covid down the line. Just because you've had it and survived does not mean you are safe from its future effects.

It should also be noted, the drug companies did not willingly skip the waiting period for the vaccine. They didn't violate the law or procedures in any way. The U.S government suspended the waiting period to speed up the approval process. The government rushed through the red tape, the drug companies did not rush through the science.

 

[MikeG]

They have done trials, alot of them. They didn't skip the trials, they skipped the waiting period between trails and FDA aproval. The latest trial in the U.S alone was 45,000 people and they have been taking place around the world for months.

You are also completely wrong about drug companies having "immunity" from legal responsibility from defective vaccines. They are simply not liable for damages from the inherent danger of known side effects.

WRONG.... they have complete immunity, as long as they follow the 'process' even if the process is flawed. COMPLETE! Federal law sine 1986, upheld by the supreme court in 2011. Look it up.

 

[pjtoledo]

Anybody had their shingle shots? 2 doses, many folks feel crappy after getting each shot - still beats getting shingles

only some slight muscle pain in my arm for a day or two. didn't lose any sleep over it.

 

[MikeG]

Pfizer held, at one time, the record for the largest settlement in history for illegal acts, by a drug company.

"Pfizer set a record for the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind with $2.3 billion in 2009. " note: the largest at the time, no longer a record.

Pfizer | Company History, Products & Lawsuits, COVID-19 Vaccine

Pfizer makes pharmaceutical drugs like Advil, Viagra and Lipitor. Injuries related to some of these medications have led to personal injury lawsuits.

www.drugwatch.com

Humanitarians, indeed....

Getting sued in Nigeria, as well, but third world lawsuits can be settled more cheaply than here.

The rest are little better. Vioxx? Passed FDA trials (Merck), estimated to have killed more people than the Vietnam war. Oops.....

Oycontin? Purdue was fined 8 billion dollars earlier this year. Something like 40,000-50,000 killed by the opiod epidemic every year, maybe more, at present (makes Vioxx look safe!). CDC has numbers on their web site, not a conspiracy theory. Of course it passed 'trials' and FDA approval..... in part because Purdue insisted that it was "not addictive" (gee what could go wrong????). And the FDA blindly accepts results given to them from the drug companies, and rarely prosecutes fraud at the criminal level (if ever).

OxyContin maker Purdue Pharma to plead to 3 criminal charges

WASHINGTON (AP) — Drugmaker Purdue Pharma, the company behind the powerful prescription painkiller OxyContin that experts say helped touch off an opioid epidemic, will plead guilty to federal criminal charges as part of a settlement of more than $8 billion, the Justice Department announced Wednesda

apnews.com

So yeah I'm not gonna jump in line to get anything new. If ya'll believe that just because something went through 'trials' and was approved by the FDA, that makes it safe? I truly wish you luck. I really do.

$19 x 330 million Americans = 6.270 billion, plus countless more billions if it becomes necessary to get a 'shot' every year. Altruistic, indeed!!!!!!! Mother Teresa would be proud...

 

[Dirtman]

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Drug companies are bad? Science is bad? Vaccines are bad? $19 dollars is too much money for a sophisticated chemical that costs more than that to produce? We shouldn't have a coronavirus vaccine at all? I'm not even sure what you are arguing at this point.

 

[MikeG]

I am telling you that there is NO recourse against the company if the vaccine is defective. And, I strongly suspect that they can produce it for well under 6 billion dollars.... for the U.S. alone. Never mind the rest of the world.

Just sayin' that I'm not going to get in line to get it. Seriously hope it doesn't cause more harm than good.

Science is neither good nor bad. Depends on how it is applied. Remember the Deepwater Horizon? The company leasing it didn't want to pay to leave it on site longer, to let the concrete set up in the well they were plugging. We know how trying to save a buck worked out there......

 

[Roert42]

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Drug companies are bad? Science is bad? Vaccines are bad? $19 dollars is too much money for a sophisticated chemical that costs more than that to produce?

1. It’s not free, even if you don’t directly pay for it.

2. There could be long term effects that you are not aware of.