Ignition Coil

[dmicucci]

Does anyone make a performance ignition coil for the DIS 3.0 (1996) such as MSD or a Screamin' Demon coil or anything of the sort.

I've been looking for a couple days and can't seem to find any.

I'm just trying to get a more powerful spark so I can open up the spark plug gap a little more.

 

[Ranger44]

That's not really going to do anything. Ford DIS is actually very efficient. Hard to improve on. Actually the MSD packs are pretty much a copy. Just my .02 cents.


***Only time hotter spark wil help is when you open up the heads and intake(More air in), bump up the compression, and run higher octane(Racing Fuel which is hard to burn). Basically a racing engine....

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

+1

and you have 3 coils...not just one

 

[james_joshua]

I worked for Visteon and we actualy made thoes coils as well as the coil-on-plugs. Most of the time our SCRAP was sold to other companies that bought it, cleaned it, maybe painted it and then sold it. A new coil from Visteon is a good decision. I bought 2 at cost, and it made a world of difference in my 93 2.3L with dual plugs.

 

[Big Jim M]

Does anyone make a performance ignition coil for the DIS 3.0 (1996) such as MSD or a Screamin' Demon coil or anything of the sort.

I've been looking for a couple days and can't seem to find any.

I'm just trying to get a more powerful spark so I can open up the spark plug gap a little more.

Dimi opening up the gap will NOT help a darn thing in the engine. Carbed engines run a richer mixture and that mixture will fire even in an .030 gap. However when a computer is involved the mixture gets a LOT leaner. Sometimes there is not enough mixture in an .030/.035 gap to ignite. SO hotter coils are installed that WILL jump a .045 gap.. This gap is only to assure the driver that there is enough space for enough mixture to insure the fire to be lit.

After the initial lighting the explosion is so quick and complete that a wider gap or a hotter coil is NEVER needed. Unless there is a sometimes miss there is never a reason to gap wider than the factory advises.
Coils build up energy until there is enough to JUMP THE GAP... No matter which coil you install the voltage will always be the same when the gap is jumped.. SO a really hot racing coil only uses as much voltage as a stock one would use.. All the rest you have paid for can't be used!

As for spark plugs.. The more electrodes there are the more the spark is hidden from the mixture.. ONE electrode is enough and in fact there is only ONE SPARK no matter how many electrodes the plug has!!
Big JIm

 

[Bob Ayers]

Watch out for any aftermarket ignition product that claims more power or MPG! It isn't going to happen! You will also get a product that has a much higher failure rate than the OEM ignition components. The aftermarket companies (MSD, Performance Distributors, etc.) DO NOT do any reliability testing that Ford requires from their electronic component suppliers. This is also true with OEM GM, and Chrysler electronic components.

 

[almostclueless]

Watch out for any aftermarket ignition product that claims more power or MPG! It isn't going to happen! You will also get a product that has a much higher failure rate than the OEM ignition components. The aftermarket companies (MSD, Performance Distributors, etc.) DO NOT do any reliability testing that Ford requires from their electronic component suppliers. This is also true with OEM GM, and Chrysler electronic components.

Incredibly true. No other performance part has made less performance improvement on hot rods than ignition coils. The spark either fires the mixture or it doesn't. And the factory DIS has a very good rep for being powerful. The only way I'd buy one is if I KNOW the current one is bad, or I'm installing a supercharger LOL.

 

[shadetree]

Aftermarket ignitions are usually specialty items used for certain applications. for example you might want more precise ignition curve control, or boost monitoring in blown applications, etc.

Factory systems in many cases do not perform well at high engine rpm, but provide all the spark necessary for stock operation.

Good aftermarket systems will provide ample spark in the high rpm ranges. NASCAR is heavy into MSD, and some Mallory, and I see a ton of Mallory at drag races, and these systems perform to the ultimate. shady

 

[Bob Ayers]

Aftermarket ignitions are usually specialty items used for certain applications. for example you might want more precise ignition curve control, or boost monitoring in blown applications, etc.

Factory systems in many cases do not perform well at high engine rpm, but provide all the spark necessary for stock operation.

Good aftermarket systems will provide ample spark in the high rpm ranges. NASCAR is heavy into MSD, and some Mallory, and I see a ton of Mallory at drag races, and these systems perform to the ultimate. shady

Factory ignitions, especially Ford's EDIS will perform way above the engine redlines!

And you won't get any more precise timing control then with the PCM!

You completely missed the point on the reliability of the aftermarket ignition components!

But, you were even snowed by the Pulseplugs!!!

 

[almostclueless]

LOL......some drag racers in some classes use bone stock HEI's, running them to 8K


And this guys isn't asking about some nitro burning beast. The OEM stuff, in good shape, is fine.

 

[shadetree]

Factory ignitions, especially Ford's EDIS will perform way above the engine redlines!

How do you know???? On which vehicles have you tested these systems???

And you won't get any more precise timing control then with the PCM!

You don't have a clue as to what I was talking about. Why don't you stick with pictures of birds and flowers.

You completely missed the point on the reliability of the aftermarket ignition components!

I didn't miss the point of anything. Which aftermarket components have you used that are unreliable.

But, you were even snowed by the Pulseplugs!!!

Only in your mind, Ayers, only in your mind. shady

LOL......some drag racers in some classes use bone stock HEI's, running them to 8K

Stock HEI systems are very good to about 5500 rpm, then they start to fall off after that. Aftermarket upgrades make it a very good piece of equipment.

http://www.automedia.com/HEI_Ignition_Upgrade/pht20021001he/1

shady

 

[fixizin]

So if your post-1995 3.0L coil pack goes bad, should one look for Autolite? Motorcraft? Visteon? FoMoCo?... AC Delco?

 

[Big Jim M]

If your coilpac goes bad look for an EXACT replacement. Millions and millions of them are on the street around you every day.. They are dependable and long lasting.. Why take a chane with anything else?
Big JIm

 

[Big Jim M]

I don't know what it is between Shady and Bob...but shouldn't they get some gloves and settle this on their OWN TIME? C'mon guys, post your thoughts and leave the other guy alone.
Big JIm

 

[Bob Ayers]

Incredibly true. No other performance part has made less performance improvement on hot rods than ignition coils. The spark either fires the mixture or it doesn't. And the factory DIS has a very good rep for being powerful. The only way I'd buy one is if I KNOW the current one is bad, or I'm installing a supercharger LOL.

Neither Performance Distributors (sells Screamin Demon) or MSD have the equipment to do TC, T&H, or HTOL reliability testing on their components. As mentioned previously Ford, GM, and Chrysler require their electronic component suppliers to perform this testing, and are also standards specified by SAE. The European, and Japanese auto manufactures have similar requirements.