V8 Conversion Headers

[jfl1960]

Originally Posted by Scrambler82

L&L Products has a great Header for 2X and 4x conversions.
HD all the way.

The L&L headers are similar in design to the Advance Adapter header, long tube on passenger and moderate length on drivers side, I prefer the long tube design on the patriot for torque, also installing mechanical dump valves, is easier to locate and operate with long tube headers in my opinion.

[Scrambler82]

Originally Posted by jfl1960

The L&L headers are similar in design to the Advance Adapter header, long tube on passenger and moderate length on drivers side, I prefer the long tube design on the patriot for torque, also installing mechanical dump valves, is easier to locate and operate with long tube headers in my opinion.

The L&L Headers are Tubular all the way.
Not a piece of pipe with pice welded on.

http://landlproducts.com/list.aspx?cID=2

Chk them out there is a nice kit for the 97 down, not sure if they will fit my 03 but I would like to know.

I did ask them and they said yes they will fit all 5.0s in 83 to present but the frame chg’d in 98 so not sure where this will go.

I hope they do fit.

[jfl1960]

Here are some pic of the Advance Adapter Header and the L&L header previously mentioned:





Really the only dif I can see is one is a flanged header collector and the other is a slip fit in design and one set dumps to the front on drivers side, suppose that is better for 4x4 setup, I do really like the big tube primary on these headers and thicker header flanges, makes it easier to control a leak, more plate there in case you need them surfaced, but with the thinner flange like on the Patriot I will just cut the flange between exhaust posts, this allows a better seal as there is no strain between ports on the flange, problem for me is with the AA and L&L headers they don't mention fitment using an AOD trans in their descriptions (at least I didn't see anything when I was reading the application notes) and unless you running a forced induction system (Blower, turbo or a power adder like NOS or Methinol fogger also know as snow) the larger primary tubes will hurt by slowing exhaust gas flow witch in turn will reduce torque at lower RPM's but will help at higher RPM's where these little motors make their best hp, just depends where you want it, as for fit up I am sure they work fine with C4 or std with small bell housing. If using a set of mechanical dump valves it would be difficult to set-up with this configuration.

The AD headers go for about $275.00 and the L&L are around $500.00 before shipping (PRICES ARE FROM THEIR MANUFACTURER'S SITES AND MAY VARY FROM SITE TO SITE). I paid $223.00 delivered to Canada for the Patriot Tri-y headers, if they don't work out power wise I will upgrade to something better in future but for now they suit my purpose and pocketbook. With some slight mods to my Ti-y headers they fit great and I can remove them from inside the engine bay.

Here are some links to the Advanced Adapter and L&L headers for you to view

http://www.advanceadapters.com/products/pn-717044a/
http://landlproducts.com/details.asp...06&ItemID=1083

Here is a good shot of the Patriot Tri-y headers installed on a Ford Ranger V8 windsor conversion with a std and small bell housing where no mods were required to the headers, the builder took this pic with cab removed, great shot thanks, I forget which thread I got this from and sorry for not giving credit to actual owner if you see this pic and it's yours, first off thanks for posting it and please speak up so I can attach your name and a link to the picture for the original thread I got it from.

[Scrambler82]

Originally Posted by jfl1960

Here are some pic of the Advance Adapter Header and the L&L header previously mentioned:

Your right not much difference.
I thought AA still used the ones that looked like a piece of pipe with smaller pipes coming out to attach to the exh ports.

Sorry about that I should have looked it up.

added: I used the L&L Headers/Conversion Kit on my ’88 Ranger/5.0L conversion, it was easy and everything fell into place.
I now want to do an 03 4x4 Conversion but from everything I have seen so far Torque Monster headers are the only thing out there and they cost $750 +.
Not sure where to go. but really want to get tubular type header that fit the rails with out a lot of trimming.

Sorry for the Hy-Jack.

[baddad457]

The difference in the pics posted above of the L&L and AA headers is the routing of the passenger side header. The drivers sides are almost mirror images of each other, not sure how the AA would clear the sterring box.. The AA header drops down below the starter, possibly coming into contact with the larger bellhousings, the L&L dumps above the starter, much like the Hedman 88400's do, but in a longer length header. The L&L would have a better chance of fitting a larger bell and should clear the frame better, not to mention not subjecting the starter to it's heat.

[baddad457]

I went back and looked at the AA headers on Ebay, there's something screwy here. The pics above posted by jfl1960 are different than the ones on ebay. The driver's side appears to be reversed to each other.

[ZMan]

Do tri-ys hang below the frame? I plan on doing a v8 swap in my bagged 94 and havent decided on headers. Im also running an aod, is there any problems there?

Edit: nevermind found more info by looking at all of the pages in this thread. Im looking at this on my phone lol. The tri-ys are for a mustang correct?

[85_Ranger4x4]

One thing I do like about the PS L&L's vs the 88400's is that it kicks it down rather than point it right at the firewall (if you don't have a bodylift)

I also like how #7 of both sets is to the outside on the DS vs the 88400's, so when you run a block mounted dipstick it isn't pinched between the header and cylinder head. That is probably my biggest beef with the 88400's in my truck.

Originally Posted by ZMan

Do tri-ys hang below the frame? I plan on doing a v8 swap in my bagged 94 and havent decided on headers. Im also running an aod, is there any problems there?

Pics in post #12 of this thread. For a 2wd they are what I would go with, they do take a little work to clear 164T bellhousings as noted later in this thread.

[baddad457]

The Tri-Y's we're discussing were originally intended to fit the 65-66 Mustangs. There are/can be minor differences among the dozen or so mfgs of these, so be forewarned, how one set fits may not be the case with another set. This can also be the case with engine swaps, no two are ever exactly alike. Be prepared to make changes no matter what or whose headers you choose.

[lairdt]

These are slightly different, 67-70, but any real chance they would clear everything?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PTE-H8426/

[jfl1960]

Originally Posted by baddad457

The Tri-Y's we're discussing were originally intended to fit the 65-66 Mustangs. There are/can be minor differences among the dozen or so mfgs of these, so be forewarned, how one set fits may not be the case with another set. This can also be the case with engine swaps, no two are ever exactly alike. Be prepared to make changes no matter what or whose headers you choose.

HAHAHA couldn't have said it any better Baddad, no two are alike, but so far I am liking the Tri-y's.

[jfl1960]

Originally Posted by lairdt

These are slightly different, 67-70, but any real chance they would clear everything?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PTE-H8426/

Those should fit no problem as long as you are using a C-4 or standard with small bell housing, see the earlier pic I posted of the Ranger with these headers and the cab removed.