why all "water car/hydrogen generators" are scams

[baddad457]

Originally Posted by MAKG

No, it's mental masturbation.

It's not science if energy conservation doesn't apply.

If you want personal tutoring, it's $40/hour. You've been given enough free stuff already.

Your title says you're a "Technical Advisor" So far in everything I've seen you post, you're the one who seems to be enjoying the masturbation here. You don't contribute anything more than what a yapping dog does. You're certainly poor excuse for a "tecnical advisor"

[Jason]

Just because you don't understand what someone says doesn't mean they are a "yapping dog"

[baddad457]

I understand everything he's saying, but the way he says it reminds me of a yapping dog. He's constantly putting others down instead of trying to carry on an intelligent conversation. Sounds to me like you need some work too if you don't see that.

[MAKG]

How can you have an "intelligent conversation" with someone who insists he knows everything, but screws up on the absolute basics?

It's like teaching someone to drive who insists it can be done from the trunk, with no fuel and no batteries.

When one doesn't understand thoroughly basic concepts like energy conservation -- or what the various terms being thrown about mean (like "catalyst" and "activation energy"), intelligent conversation is only possible if one is open to that.

If you don't like my technical advisor tag, ignore it. I'm not paid for this, and I don't have nor need infinite patience with stupidity.

[gwgramas]

Originally Posted by reno

You have to remember people, Rome was not built in a day, we are at the beginning (for us) of HHO (and by the way the HH is from H2 (2parts) and O (1part)). When Gasoline was first made, took many years to get it balanced, then Regular was found to be bad due to Lead. It is a 100+ year old fossil fuel that never really did us no good. Gives off bad emmissions which caused us to mine Platinum for the catalytic converters and then making them a law. I for one would like to have a more effiecent motor that gives off no bad emissions so I can straight pipe if I want.

And what about you "Global Warming" freaks? Gasoline is now the cause, before it was Freon, R-12 to be exact, seems like you tree huggers should be fond of a "new" found energy source and hoping with enough people experimenting and testing it will completely replace fossil fuels as we know. We must keep looking forward. Remember "We are going to the moon" and people laughed? There are still the weird ones out there that believe it never happened. No new invention that hit main stream was ever good enough, everything gets refined in time and becomes more effecient, just takes that one person to discover a new way,release it,then along comes someone else improving the improved method.

in addition there, lead was an additive in the refining process, just an fyi for you.

http://www.runet.edu/~wkovarik/ethylwar/

this website briefly touches on the history of leaded gas and has plenty of works cited/references for you.

[rboyer]

There is actually one thing that has been bugging me. I know that lately alot of people have been playing around with using peltiers for thermoelectric power generation. Now alot of energy is lost by heat that your engine gives off. If you were to take some of that heat and convert it to electricity then couldn't that essentially be used to produce hydrogen? I know that the one reason these hydrogen setups don't add up is because of the energy output required exceeding the amount going in. The only problem I see is that you would need to achieve a wide temperature differential for the peltiers to make use of the excessive heat coming from your engine but given the proper outside temperature (around freezing) wouldn't it be possible?

[Beanmachine7000]

No...
1st Law of Thermodynamics states
"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change forms."

Therefore, the energy that is burned from the gasoline is the only amount of energy you will get... You can't just spontaneously get energy from somewhere...

[rboyer]

Apparently you didn't read my post or you would know that this has absolutely nothing to do with the 1st law of thermodynamics. I am talking about taking the waste energy coming from your engine and turning it into electrical energy by using a peltier. Since it violates no laws of physics then the question would be is it feasible? How much energy could be generated by wasted heat?

[Beanmachine7000]

Originally Posted by rboyer

Apparently you didn't read my post or you would know that this has absolutely nothing to do with the 1st law of thermodynamics. I am talking about taking the waste energy coming from your engine and turning it into electrical energy by using a peltier. Since it violates no laws of physics then the question would be is it feasible? How much energy could be generated by wasted heat?

Sorry bout that, I don't have any idea about those things or how efficient they are... You have to think about the energy losses from that thing and the wires used, and the system used to transport it back to the engine... It might work, but more than likely wouldn't be efficient enough to make a difference... Plus, the little bit of gain you might get from it would probably be counteracted by the weight of the system...

[Jspafford]

Gawd, who brought THIS back up!

[Psychopete]

Originally Posted by rboyer

Apparently you didn't read my post or you would know that this has absolutely nothing to do with the 1st law of thermodynamics. I am talking about taking the waste energy coming from your engine and turning it into electrical energy by using a peltier. Since it violates no laws of physics then the question would be is it feasible? How much energy could be generated by wasted heat?

I guess the question is, what kind of variance in heat would it need to create enough current to split the water effectively? I can see where you're going with this, heat off the engine is enegry that is wasted, but I suspect the amount of power from the peltier that you would get (it would be hard to not use any enegry to keep the other side cool enough - intake charge?) might not be enough to make a significant amount of power. But I really don't know much about them except the little reading I did out of interest. Do you have any specifications on a peltier that you had in mind?

Pete

[rboyer]

I don't really have any specs on them because most of the ones on the market today are calibrated more towards heat transfer driven by electricity compared to generating electricity from a variance. I have heard of people making self-sustaining cooling systems out of them by using the heat generated from one to power the fan that cools the "hot side" but of course that has it's limits depending on the temperature of the atmosphere on which it is in. That's why I was thinking something along the lines of using it mostly in the winter time because with freezing outdoor temperatures i'm sure a pretty good variance could be achieved. Honestly I only brought it up because I thought of it a while back and figured that I wouldn't be the only one to think of something like that and hoped that someone out there has tried it already because i've been curious. I actually planned on picking up a few peltiers sometime so that I could try out another idea that I had. I want to create a computer system that is contained within a "dust-free" environment by using the peltiers to transfer the heat to the outside of the case. This way I could have externally mounted cooling fans which would make it so much easier to clean.