Bugging Out / Survival

[88_Eddie]

Originally Posted by daniel3507

Ive been interested in this for some time. There are some great websites out there with good information. Ive always heard that older vehicles that arent computer based are the best for a bug-out vehicle. 4wd of course. I keep a small bag in my truck with lighters, food, water, an emergency blanket and some other things. One of those just in case things. If anyone is looking for good books on the subject you need to read a book called Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse by James Wesley Rawles. Its a fiction book that reads almost like a manual on bugging out. One of my favorite books of all time is called One Second After by William R. Forstchen. It really opens your eyes and makes you think. I highly recommend this one.

daniel is right on this. both of those books are great, i own both of them. they really open your eyes and make you think about stuff.

"One Second After" is more of a story and some of the stuff probably wouldnt happen as the author writes it.

"Patriots" is an in depth look at scenarios you could be faced with as well as things you need to think about storing away. it's put into a novel format so it isnt so dry and is actually entertaining.

with a full out collapse of society, where reconstruction is going to be years away, the population is going to start falling off quickly. especially if it were to happen this time of year. you'd have a lot of people that just arent prepared and would die of starvation and exposure.

people that take heart medicine, cholesterol medicine, diabetes supplies, etc., they depend on a functioning society in order to get those meds. they're days are numbered based on their current supply.

also, simple things like appendicitis are suddenly going to become life threatening again. even with a surgeon, if you dont have a sterile environment to do the surgery, your chances of surviving are slim.

you want to have as low a signature as possible and be WAY off the beaten path. yeah, owning animals would be great, but that's gonna give another group of people a reason to come kill you. you cant keep a heard of cattle or chickens or hogs quiet enough that no one knows you have them. the best way to survive would be planting almost all of your food, having food already stored up and being able to can food for the cold months. and like will said, you need a large group of friends and guns/ammo to defend yourself.

[daniel3507]

It would be important to have items you could barter with as well. Booze and cigarettes especially would be good things to have so you can trade them for things you really need.

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[Jim Oaks]

I wonder how many of todays generations know how to can food? My mom and aunts could, but I don't know how.

[84 ranger 2.3]

in my opinion knowledge is the key! got a army training hand book and reading cover to cover. a person needs to know combat hand to hand and good self defense. got my ammo and weapons too. learn to farm, build and repair as much as possible. build a team to help each other organize and plan. getting stock pile of mres going. girlfriend is staff sargent and son and some friends in service also. aquaint yourself with some. you eyes will open up to possiblities. learning how to harvest rain water and gonna make something to generrate it's own electricity. a good shelter will be key in case of nuclear fallout (radiation). enough of my soap box. how ham radio operators? communication is a key issue also.

[88_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Jim Oaks

I wonder how many of todays generations know how to can food? My mom and aunts could, but I don't know how.

my grandparents can all sorts of stuff. they've shown me how to do it.

[4.0B2]

ham radio will be key if its not an EMP thing.. cb doesn't offer the distance. i'm glad to call myself a ham operator, even tho i only have my tech license, we have HF units since my dad has all the licenses.

like mentioned, farming and canning of food will be useful to know to, if you're not on the move.. idk for sure that moving would be the best option. guess it depends on what resources you have...

personally i think i'd go down to our farm land in Pontotoc; w/ a little imagination and all the old farm stuff in the 5 different barns, i think i could make almost anything i need.

farm by hand to save what fuel was available. there's a few natural springs on our land down there... plenty of game to hunt, even just wild hogs... good bit of them. there's even an old windmill on the property that used to power the well pump. i think i'm pretty good as long as i got ammo and food (or a way to grow it)

[85_Ranger4x4]

Originally Posted by cody93

i think coils and electric motors would be ok, or fair better than an unprotected computer

I have my bases pretty well covered with ignition sources from COP EFI, Duraspark, Petronix igniter, points and a magneto. I don't even need a battery to run the mag machine.

I am pretty well set up to farm 1950's style, plow disc, harrow, cultivators... gunna have to pick by hand though.

Originally Posted by RustedRanger

What I read said that a single nuke set off over the east coast at 250 miles high would fry our power grid and all unshielded electronics almost to California.

Who cares when everybody dies of leukemeia from the fallout?

The more people you have to defend your crap the more crap you have to have to maintain your mob... kind of a double edged sword.

[Dweano]

Originally Posted by 88_Eddie

daniel is right on this. both of those books are great, i own both of them. they really open your eyes and make you think about stuff.

"One Second After" is more of a story and some of the stuff probably wouldnt happen as the author writes it.

"Patriots" is an in depth look at scenarios you could be faced with as well as things you need to think about storing away. it's put into a novel format so it isnt so dry and is actually entertaining.

with a full out collapse of society, where reconstruction is going to be years away, the population is going to start falling off quickly. especially if it were to happen this time of year. you'd have a lot of people that just arent prepared and would die of starvation and exposure.

people that take heart medicine, cholesterol medicine, diabetes supplies, etc., they depend on a functioning society in order to get those meds. they're days are numbered based on their current supply.

also, simple things like appendicitis are suddenly going to become life threatening again. even with a surgeon, if you dont have a sterile environment to do the surgery, your chances of surviving are slim.

you want to have as low a signature as possible and be WAY off the beaten path. yeah, owning animals would be great, but that's gonna give another group of people a reason to come kill you. you cant keep a heard of cattle or chickens or hogs quiet enough that no one knows you have them. the best way to survive would be planting almost all of your food, having food already stored up and being able to can food for the cold months. and like will said, you need a large group of friends and guns/ammo to defend yourself.

Lights Out is a good book as well. I read alot about this stuff...but I am too poor to prepare anything. Its more of a hobby to be interested in this stuff...until I get older and richer. Haha

[88_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Dweano

Lights Out is a good book as well. I read alot about this stuff...but I am too poor to prepare anything. Its more of a hobby to be interested in this stuff...until I get older and richer. Haha

same here. but you can start now. you can buy a brick of .22's for <$20 at walmart. that would be a great barter item.

people may not have AR's, or mossberg 500 shotguns or .308 sniper rifles, but a lot have .22's that have been handed down. if you get close enough i'm guessing you could pop a deer in the head with a .22 and at least knock it out long enough to run up at cut it's throat. plus, you could defend yourself with a .22 if needed. yeah, it isnt much, but if you're talking about a break down of society, medical care is going back to the civil war era. staving off infection while it heals would be extremely hard unless you were very well prepared. injury yourself even slightly could be very hazardous to your health.

[85_Ranger4x4]

Originally Posted by 88_Eddie

same here. but you can start now. you can buy a brick of .22's for <$20 at walmart. that would be a great barter item.

people may not have AR's, or mossberg 500 shotguns or .308 sniper rifles, but a lot have .22's that have been handed down. if you get close enough i'm guessing you could pop a deer in the head with a .22 and at least knock it out long enough to run up at cut it's throat. plus, you could defend yourself with a .22 if needed. yeah, it isnt much, but if you're talking about a break down of society, medical care is going back to the civil war era. staving off infection while it heals would be extremely hard unless you were very well prepared. injury yourself even slightly could be very hazardous to your health.

.22LR is way more than capable of killing a deer if put in the right place.

I have heard they are wicked to be shot with too, it can go in your arm and out your leg... since it lacks the power to break bone it just slides along them and is redirected in another path.

For a flintlock all you need is flint (can find natural) blackpowder (can make) ball (car wheel weights with a mold and heat) and an old t-shirt for patches. You could go for a long time without a whole lot of equipment.

Actually archery might not be a bad thing either because if you can find your arrows you can reuse them... they are plenty nasty too. My brother just broke a total of four ribs on a 15pt buck, kinda rolled the razor edge on one blade (which could be resharpened or replaced)

[88_Eddie]

plus, archery is quiet. like you said, you can make your own arrows and of course reuse old ones.

[85_Ranger4x4]

Originally Posted by 88_Eddie

plus, archery is quiet. like you said, you can make your own arrows and of course reuse old ones.

Depends on what kind of bow you have, a modern compound would be thrilled to blow up your homemade wooden arrow in your face.

You can make your own from arrow blanks though (either carbon fiber or aluminum), a lot of people do that.