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Old 10-23-2012, 06:35 AM   #31
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Yes, cross banding into a repeater does require other repeater users to practice good radio discipline to allow cross banders a chance. During events like the MS150 Bike Rides, which could involve 80 operatrors, we run a directed net and depend on a good net control operator to enforce that discipline. Using half duplex cross banding and DCS instead of tone squelch control also help.
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The biggest complaints about Alinco radios is their programming artecture is ODD but guys who are used to Icom or Yaesu radios often say the same thing about Kenwood radios

Most of my stuff is Icom, but frankly there are certain dual band mobile radios I'd avoid, the IC-2700 and IC-2710, which have a justified reputation of simply dying.. I had an IC-2710 simply stop working.. back around 10 years ago...

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I found this helpful as i am planning on getting my ticket too. Milton thanks for you advice. I'll post when I pass and set up
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apologize for bump an old topic from the dead, just have a few interesting things from personal experience, maybe someone will need this information in the future
I have many models of the Baofeng radios mostly the UV-5R series, some 888's and some GT's. The software and a cable are mandatory for programming the 888's and GT's because they lack a keyboard and screen.

Everyone talks about the UV series as being difficult to program but I find menu system very easy to navigate. Also, a word on the advertised output of these units. Despite what the manual or the ad claims these radios will not put out the advertised watts.

I test each radio I purchased. The following statement almost always rings true of HT's and that would be output is higher in the VHF range and will get close to advertised ratings (4.2 watts vers 5 watts) but on UHF it will be a little more than half of the advertised rating (2.5 vers 4 watts). The frequency in the band you plan to operate on will figure in as well.

Mobile units seem to be the exception. I still have some old Radio Shack 2 channel MURS radios https://secretstorages.com/best-handheld-ham-radios/ These units are programmable and operate on the VHF band. An advertised output is 5 watts. One unit tested in at a full 8 watts and the other one managed about 7.5 watts which are well above the advertised RF output of 5 watts. I was very surprised at those numbers. My Icom dual bander also managed to beat out the advertised RF ratings on both VHF and UHF bands. Advertised VHF is 55 watts, actual was 62. 50 watts UHF advertised, actual was 54.

I have yet to find the perfect radio, HT or mobile. There are pros and cons to all of them. IMHO the Baofeng radios may not be up to everyone's standard but for the money, they can't be beaten. I often look at Youtube for different videos on this topic, I'll leave you here, maybe this will be useful to someone in the future. Good Luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw&fs=1" width="644" height="390">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw&fs=1" />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw
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apologize for bump an old topic from the dead, just have a few interesting things from personal experience, maybe someone will need this information in the future
I have many models of the Baofeng radios mostly the UV-5R series, some 888's and some GT's. The software and a cable are mandatory for programming the 888's and GT's because they lack a keyboard and screen.

Everyone talks about the UV series as being difficult to program but I find menu system very easy to navigate. Also, a word on the advertised output of these units. Despite what the manual or the ad claims these radios will not put out the advertised watts.

I test each radio I purchased. The following statement almost always rings true of HT's and that would be output is higher in the VHF range and will get close to advertised ratings (4.2 watts vers 5 watts) but on UHF it will be a little more than half of the advertised rating (2.5 vers 4 watts). The frequency in the band you plan to operate on will figure in as well.

Mobile units seem to be the exception. I still have some old Radio Shack 2 channel MURS radios https://secretstorages.com/best-handheld-ham-radios/ These units are programmable and operate on the VHF band. An advertised output is 5 watts. One unit tested in at a full 8 watts and the other one managed about 7.5 watts which are well above the advertised RF output of 5 watts. I was very surprised at those numbers. My Icom dual bander also managed to beat out the advertised RF ratings on both VHF and UHF bands. Advertised VHF is 55 watts, actual was 62. 50 watts UHF advertised, actual was 54.

I have yet to find the perfect radio, HT or mobile. There are pros and cons to all of them. IMHO the Baofeng radios may not be up to everyone's standard but for the money, they can't be beaten. I often look at Youtube for different videos on this topic, I'll leave you here, maybe this will be useful to someone in the future. Good Luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw&fs=1" width="644" height="390">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw&fs=1" />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DuD5cdqxxw
Here's my opinion, please treat it as an opinion and not an assertion of concrete facts intended to offend:

I've never met a situation in the retail world where you ever got more than you paid for.

If you buy an $80 Chinese mobile radio, it's not going to work as well as a $300 "Japanese" or "American" radio with comparable specs (which is probably also manufactured in China or Taiwan anyways). It's going to have cheaper internal parts with potentially looser values, it's going to have weaker construction (including heat management), it's going to have a less-well developed design (including power management), and it's going to have poorer QC in the factory.

As a result, it's likely (but not guaranteed) to have weaker TX power, worse receive sensitivity, less accurate frequency tracking, looser modulation, and greater potential to create interference. It may run hotter, drain portable batteries faster, develop problems sooner, be less durable, and be more complicated to use.

HOWEVER: Ham radio is an extremely broad hobby, attracting people with a very wide range of ages and financial abilities. I got my license when I was 14, and my only source of income was mowing the neighbors's lawns. I worked all summer to save just enough money to go to scout camp, and buy a brand-new Radio Shack HTX-202 handheld. (Fortunately, my father got his license at the same time, so I could sometimes use the gear he could afford, in the meantime.) If a halfway-decent, halfway-reliable 2m handheld had been available for $40 instead of $200, I could have had my own radio much earlier (and probably a better antenna, too!)

As long as the buyer understands the drawbacks of the Chinese brands, it's a decent way to get into the hobby with a limited budget. But I will strongly recommend that, once the starter radio wears out or the users' needs/interests grow to exceed that radio, they look for a higher quality replacement.

In the same way, I'll recommend that people buy tools from Harbor Freight exactly once, even though they're known to be cheap quality. If they use the tool infrequently enough that it never wears out or breaks, then they saved some money and still got the job done. If they use it enough that the tool fails, then they know they need the tool enough to invest in a quality replacement from a reliable brand.

I now have a degree in Electronics Engineering, extensive experience as a Communication Technician, and a stable position in the communication industry. I have much greater financial ability to purchase radios and accessories, although I'm not yet "rich" by any definition. I find that Yaesu equipment is very high quality, while being a bit less expensive than Icom or Kenwood. I have a great little VX-6R that still works great after 10 years, although the battery pack is getting weak after that time. I just installed an FT-8900R in my Ranger a few weeks ago that I'm really enjoying.

I've owned, used, borrowed, and sometimes repaired Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, HeathKit, Ten-Tec, Motorola, Vertex Standard (Yaesu's parent company), Baofeng, Wouxun, and a few other obscure brands of Amateur and commercial radios. My recommendation is Yaesu for new purchases, in consideration of quality and price.

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