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I've been told I have to swap ecm's. Soooo can someone explain to me why the ecm from a V6 will not work in a V8. Here are the reasons I'm asking....

1. It looks like my v6 is a batch fire (similar to a SD system but with a maf) and not the SFI (California).

2. I've heard you can use a 5.0 ecm from a mustang on a 5.8 for the most part without isses. But, I've read from other posts that you will run the engine in a lean condition and it's possible to do damage to the engine(opinions vary). I did some rough math on cyclinder volumes vs the 4.0, 5.0, and 5.8. The 4.0 has 666cc's per cyclinder the 5.0 has 625cc's and the 5.8 has 725cc's per cyclinder. Besides won't the o2 sensor compensate for the fuel curves?

3. The pin outs on the ecm from the 5.8SD to the 4.0 batch fire maf are next to identical. The only real difference I can see is the firing order of the injectors and the extra 2 injectors. If I just add/splice my harness to the stock setup what do you think will happen?

4. I dont like following the masses. I'm planning on running a truck intake on it too. I already have a 3 inch body lift. I've been looking into cowl inducted his too.

Heck if it doesn't work. What's the worst thing that could happen? I'll just have to start over again.
 


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There are software differences. Your V6 computer will be very very confused by the two additional cylinders and it will probably not run right. They may both be batch fire, and they may both have the same pin out, but they are not the same.

The issue is geometry. All circles have 360 degrees, and all crank tone rings (at least for Ford) have 35 teeth and one gap where a tooth should be to ID cyl 1. Say 20 degrees accounts for 1 cylinder on a V6 (Yes, I am making up numbers for this example), 20 degrees does not make one cylinder on a V8. This means as things progress, the computer's firing of the injectors will get progressively further out of time with the actual position of the engine.


The reason you can run a Mustang 5.0 computer on a 5.8 is because the Mustangs used the 5.0 HO, the dis on the HO and the 5.8 rotate opposite the dis on a regular 5.0, and the firing order of the standard 5.0 is different than the other two.


I get not just going with the crowd, but some things that everyone does, like chewing your food and wiping your ass after taking a dump are important. Running the correct PCM on an engine is like wiping your ass, you gotta do it.
 

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+1 ^^

Crank Position(CKP) sensor(distributorless) or TFI distributor system with 8 cylinders would cause timing problem for injectors with V6 ECM.

But no start would be the worst that could happen
 

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Yes, and with a swap and a no start there is a list of things to check, why add a few more :)
 

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I believe I've seen in this forum of people using a 4 cyl and doing a batch fire but not with the 6.
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I believe I've seen in this forum of people using a 4 cyl and doing a batch fire but not with the 6.
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I could actually see that working better. At least 8 is divisible by 4, so the relationships of everything else would probably be closer. It would be more like running two engines off one computer at the same time.
 

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Doesn't the ECM just signal ignition advance, while the TFI or EDIS module directly controls spark?
 

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For spark, yes. However there are other things that the PCM does involving the timing of certain things, that probably won't line up neatly between a V6 and a V8 because of firing orders and cylinder arrangements being different (cylinder 4 being on different sides of the engine for example). Also, the 5.0 was TFI for a very long time, TFI systems don't usually have a crank sensor, and so the sensor signal is going to be different than what the computer is expecting.
 

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I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. So now I'm onto yanking out the rangers harness. I already had the donors harness gutted, but then when I stated looking at the pin outs. It got me to thinking which is usually a bad thing for me do lol.
 

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