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I will admit, the new coyotes do run good.I'm with Adsm8, those Coyotes are some Badass engines. I always had a soft spot for 302's. To me they were the perfect size and available in all sorts of platforms and transferred easily into a different one.
I realize they were low on power in the beginning, but there is a slew of bolt ons nowadays. So yes, 302's.
In their day they were pretty respectable for power.I'm with Adsm8, those Coyotes are some Badass engines. I always had a soft spot for 302's. To me they were the perfect size and available in all sorts of platforms and transferred easily into a different one.
I realize they were low on power in the beginning, but there is a slew of bolt ons nowadays. So yes, 302's.
That is actually what I was going to say before I got to your post there. Next truck will be a 68 F-100 with a factory FE (supposed to be a 390 in it now). I want to keep it an FE engine, but I would love to see an FE built with modern materials and techniques plus a bell housing pattern that would accept a modern 5+ speed OD transmission. Could probably find it if I wanted to invest in a custom milled drag racing block, but wouldn't really be practical for the application. Will get as close to that as I can over time upgrading the truck. Bolt-on EFI with timing control, a trans adapter, and swapping in a later transmission will be the first things to be done. Eventually rebuilt engine with new design aftermarket heads, modern cam grind, roller rockers and lifters etc.Im suprised no one was brought up a 390 yet
Sure you can.and for those of us that are anal with precision,,,,4.948893328L = 302 cu in
still can't legitimately round it up to 5.0
Under those conditions anything would puke.Nah, they do ok in something light. But if you start loading them up, they really look bad next to a 300. If you got an 2wd 150 with a 5sp, and maybe 3.55s that really didnt do much towing, itd be fine.
But the 300 were used in those great 80s fuel saver package trucks, saddled with that goofy 3sp+O/D manual and a 2.47 rear. Under those conditions, a 302 would puke.
Its kind of a 2.9 vs 3.0 situation.Under those conditions anything would puke.
Going by #'s a 300 doesn't really have a whole lot of difference over a 302.
Ford got pretty heavy handed with the stupid gearing well into the 90's, the 302 trucks didn't fare much better. My Ranger has 3.73's.
With a cast iron block.... basically a Diesel engine that runs on gas. Have you seen the new compression ignition gas engine that Hyundai developed? Maybe use that as wellThere is quite a bit of info out there on turboing a 300. Ive never really looked into the details though. However, i know on youtube theres a 71 (IIRC) maverick running a turboed 300 thats in the 10-11 sec territory.
Also, theres a rail car called "frenchtown flyer" running a turboed (and built) 300 that was running 7s.
Check out www.fordsix.com. Those guys are nutty over the 300.
But yes, what you just said about the ecoboost and DI is what i was thinking, rework the mangement/add ons/top end but keep the super stout bottom end. Would make a great base engine in the superduty.
My 302 in stock land yacht tune was rated 270 @2500rpm. In later years they wound them up another 1000+rpm for like another 5lb-ft in trucks to open up the spread between the 300 and 302.Its kind of a 2.9 vs 3.0 situation.
On paper they are close in torque, 265 for the 300, 270 for the 302, circa 94ish. Difference is the 300 has most of its torque off idle up to about 3-3500ish. In a drag race with two empty trucks, the 302 will dust a 300, hook 5 or 6 k behind them both and aim them up a good hill, that 302 is gonna be hurtin.
Not trying to knock the 302, its a good engine, just not the best for truck duty. Yes, you could get a 302 truck to outpull a 300 if you hooked the 302 up with a 4.10 rear and the 300 was saddled with a 3,08 or something, but with trannys/rears being equal the 300 shines when it comes to truck stuff.
My 302 in stock land yacht tune was rated 270 @2500rpm. In later years they wound them up another 1000+rpm for like another 5lb-ft in trucks to open up the spread between the 300 and 302.
That long block had a very healthy bottom end. Torque was brutal off idle. I got all smart because everyone said that is guttless compared to a Mustang setup. So then I went to an HO cam and E7 heads. Really woke it up... 3500+rpm.
It isn't bad down low but it isn't what it once was.