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Maybe yall can help turn me in the right Direction with my ranger. I have a 93 model with a 3.0 in it... the truck will start up fine and run for about 5 min with no problems. But after about 5 min it will cut off, when it starts back up it will run rich and cut off soon as I hit the gas, the truck will do this for two or three times back to back before it starts to idle right and run fine the rest of the day. I'm just needing help to figure out what is wrong with it...


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You need to see if there are any trouble codes. They might help aim you in the right direction.

When the engine starts up cold, it idles with certain settings, ignoring feedback information. This is open loop control. Once it gets warm enough, it switches yo closed loop control and uses feedback from sensors to run at idle. So it sounds like something isn't reading right when the engine is warm. Or it isn't switching to closed loop because it isn't seeing that the engine is warm. Engine coolant temp sensor, idle air control, MAF, etc. Are things to check. There are lots of threads here with writeups on this. RonD has written this up a bunch of times. Pulling the trouble codes will help.

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Ok thanks man I'm going to go check that out now


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Ok so I changed the maf and the bwd sensor so far so good


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Still haven't got it fixed so now on to the fuel pump and them o2 sensor


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MAF wouldn't cause that issue and it wouldn't "run fine the rest of the day" after that

"Ok so I changed the maf and the bwd sensor so far so good "
Not sure what bwd sensor is?

O2 sensors need to be changed every 100k-150k miles or so, but not your problem

Neither is the fuel pump

Your description seems to indicate a temperature issue, it takes an engine about 5 to 8 minutes to warm up to operating temp.
Fuel injection can't use a Choke Plate, but a Cold Engine still needs to be "choked" so it can run.
So the computer runs Choke Mode when engine is cold, Rich Fuel mix, high idle, advanced spark timing.
As engine warms up computer slowly reduces the idle RPMs and leans out fuel mix.

How does the computer "know" the engine temp?
ECT(engine coolant temp) sensor, a 2 wire sensor, not connected to dash temp gauge, thats a 1 wire SENDER.
ECT sensor is only used by the computer, it is a long shot that this is your problem.
Just FYI, outside of the O2 sensors wearing out, sensor rarely fail, they are often replaced, lol, but rarely fail.
So for the $5-$8 an ECT sensor costs it is easier to replace it than test it.

1993 3.0l still used a distributor and TFI module for spark.
TFI modules would get heat sensitive, and cause stalling and rough running, although not that likely after a 5 minute run, but next stop is the computer so...........I would test it
TFI info here: http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/TFI_Diagnostic.shtml
 

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I ordered a new TFI module today going to change it out tomorrow when it come in...only 30bucks so I thought why the hell not... also ordered a fuel pump and new filter just cause it is a cheap part also. The truck set for 10 years in a barn before I got it and started working on it


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after sitting that long I would be worried about corroded wires and connectors. or rodent damage to the wires.
 

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I have thought about that but all the wires look good that's why I'm just replacing sensors that it could be first


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thank u every one..... I got it fixed this morning and it turns out it was the fuel pump


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Good work

Thanks for the update

Very unusual for a fuel pump to be intermittent like that, usually they just stop working one day.
But heating up after 5 minutes could cause thermal limiter(if there is one) in the electric motor to shut off the motor, then after cool down it can run again
 

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Ok so guys it turns out not to be the fuel filter..... I have changed the temp sensor, the fuel pump and filter, the maf, the tps, the air flow temp sensor, both 02 sensors, and the tfi sensor. I'm out of ideals and don't know why it's still doing this.


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When it quits are you not getting fuel or spark, that is what you need to know

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Just for giggles pull the vacuum line off the fuel pressure regulator (it's on the fuel rail) do you see or smell gas in it?

Also make sure you replaced the ECT sensor and not the one for the temp gauge.
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The fuel pressure regulator is good I'm checking fuel or slack when it shuts off again... but it only shuts off and acts up in the morning after sitting all night. But it can sit all day at work and not do this


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