JonnyHightower
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I've read around the site for the past couple of years, but this is my first post. Thanks to those of you who contribute. I have considered your advice when maintaining and repairing my truck! I've read around the forums to get leads on (the MANY) possible causes of a lean engine condition, and I'm not managing to solve it, so I thought I'd post this.
I have a CEL P0171, lean engine condition in a 2000 Ranger, 2WD, 2.5L, manual, with 80K miles. The check engine light corresponds with the following freeze frame data:
Topic First CEL
Fuel system 1 Closed loop
Fuel system 2 Not supported
Throttle position (didn't note)
Load value 54.9%
Coolant temperature 177F
Short term fuel trim 0%
Long term fuel trim 0.7%
Engine RPM 1007
Vehicle speed 4 mph
Intake air flow rate (didn't note)
Topic Second CEL
Throttle position 16%
Load value 48.2%
Coolant temperature 185F
Short term fuel trim 0.7%
Long term fuel trim 5.4%
Engine RPM 1050 rpm
Vehicle speed 2 mph
Intake air flow rate 0.06 lb/min
I've noticed a low rough idle, especially just after I take it out of gear into neutral (as I come to stop, for example). Doesn't stall, and the idle recovers pretty quickly.
Here's what I've done since seeing the CEL.
REPLACED: spark plugs and wires, PCV valve, upstream O2 sensor, MAF sensor ($$dealer$$), fuel filter, air filter, and gas cap. I ran several Techron bottles through the engine, SeaFoam'd it (top end, intake clean), and have been running 87 octane (which is "Plus" in the Rockies) through the engine for awhile. I was running 85 through the engine for awhile (which is "regular" in the Rockies). I tried to test the EGR by covering the EVR solenoid hole during idle (to establish vacuum). The engine nearly stalled, which suggests a functioning EGR, according to YouTube. I'm ScannerDanner videos on YT, by the way. Pretty cool dude.
SPEAKING TO VACUUM LEAKS: I ran some propane along the vacuum lines during idle and didn't hear any change in idle. A homemade smoke machine produced a little bit of smoke from the IAC valve, but that may be normal (don't know yet).
SPEAKING TO FUEL PRESSURE: I measured fuel pressure on the rail. Key on, engine off pressure measured within spec. Interestingly, fuel pressure increased ~5 psi (to 68 psi) when I turned on the engine. I say interestingly because Chilton predicted a drop in pressure when starting the engine. I don't know the significance of that yet. Chilton suggests using a handheld vacuum pump to further investigate, but I haven't reached that yet. I would be interested to hear if someone thought the above suggests that I might have a fuel pressure problem that could be causing my CEL.
SPEAKING TO READINESS TESTING: I used a scanner to run readiness tests, and I saw a failure, namely: "delta pressure for downstream DPFE hose test." This might be causing my CEL, but I'd like some advice on how to go about identifying the specific problem. I'll probably pull the hoses and look for obstructions, and I could test voltage to the DPFE (?). Is there a quick test I can use to test the function of the DPFE itself?
SPEAKING TO REAL TIME MONITORING: I could post this if some thought that it would be useful. I'm having a hard time interpreting the data. ScannerDanner (YT) says that relatively high short term fuel trim (I'm seeing 25-30% at idle, warm engine) that decreases with increased RPM (which is what I see, 0% at 3000 RPM) points to a vacuum leak. The smoke test only produced a bit coming from the IAC valve (but that might be normal). I could have a different internal (i.e. non-visible) leak . . . hoping that's not the case.
There's one other concern. I had the dealer do some suspension work on the truck shortly before the CEL came on. The suspension repairs worked out pretty well, but my truck had engine trouble on the drive home. Grinding noise when I gave it gas, and big drop power. It went right back in, and they replaced the MAF sensor. A short time after that, I saw my CEL. I didn't go back to them. If any of you more experienced members have an idea about what sort of "mistake" they could have made that would lead to this CEL, I'm all ears. I don't know that it's the case. I'm just putting that out there in case it drives one of you to a bingo moment.
Taking the above into account (it's a long post, but I'm trying to give you as much info as I can), I'd like to hear any ideas you all might have about this CEL.
Thanks!
I have a CEL P0171, lean engine condition in a 2000 Ranger, 2WD, 2.5L, manual, with 80K miles. The check engine light corresponds with the following freeze frame data:
Topic First CEL
Fuel system 1 Closed loop
Fuel system 2 Not supported
Throttle position (didn't note)
Load value 54.9%
Coolant temperature 177F
Short term fuel trim 0%
Long term fuel trim 0.7%
Engine RPM 1007
Vehicle speed 4 mph
Intake air flow rate (didn't note)
Topic Second CEL
Throttle position 16%
Load value 48.2%
Coolant temperature 185F
Short term fuel trim 0.7%
Long term fuel trim 5.4%
Engine RPM 1050 rpm
Vehicle speed 2 mph
Intake air flow rate 0.06 lb/min
I've noticed a low rough idle, especially just after I take it out of gear into neutral (as I come to stop, for example). Doesn't stall, and the idle recovers pretty quickly.
Here's what I've done since seeing the CEL.
REPLACED: spark plugs and wires, PCV valve, upstream O2 sensor, MAF sensor ($$dealer$$), fuel filter, air filter, and gas cap. I ran several Techron bottles through the engine, SeaFoam'd it (top end, intake clean), and have been running 87 octane (which is "Plus" in the Rockies) through the engine for awhile. I was running 85 through the engine for awhile (which is "regular" in the Rockies). I tried to test the EGR by covering the EVR solenoid hole during idle (to establish vacuum). The engine nearly stalled, which suggests a functioning EGR, according to YouTube. I'm ScannerDanner videos on YT, by the way. Pretty cool dude.
SPEAKING TO VACUUM LEAKS: I ran some propane along the vacuum lines during idle and didn't hear any change in idle. A homemade smoke machine produced a little bit of smoke from the IAC valve, but that may be normal (don't know yet).
SPEAKING TO FUEL PRESSURE: I measured fuel pressure on the rail. Key on, engine off pressure measured within spec. Interestingly, fuel pressure increased ~5 psi (to 68 psi) when I turned on the engine. I say interestingly because Chilton predicted a drop in pressure when starting the engine. I don't know the significance of that yet. Chilton suggests using a handheld vacuum pump to further investigate, but I haven't reached that yet. I would be interested to hear if someone thought the above suggests that I might have a fuel pressure problem that could be causing my CEL.
SPEAKING TO READINESS TESTING: I used a scanner to run readiness tests, and I saw a failure, namely: "delta pressure for downstream DPFE hose test." This might be causing my CEL, but I'd like some advice on how to go about identifying the specific problem. I'll probably pull the hoses and look for obstructions, and I could test voltage to the DPFE (?). Is there a quick test I can use to test the function of the DPFE itself?
SPEAKING TO REAL TIME MONITORING: I could post this if some thought that it would be useful. I'm having a hard time interpreting the data. ScannerDanner (YT) says that relatively high short term fuel trim (I'm seeing 25-30% at idle, warm engine) that decreases with increased RPM (which is what I see, 0% at 3000 RPM) points to a vacuum leak. The smoke test only produced a bit coming from the IAC valve (but that might be normal). I could have a different internal (i.e. non-visible) leak . . . hoping that's not the case.
There's one other concern. I had the dealer do some suspension work on the truck shortly before the CEL came on. The suspension repairs worked out pretty well, but my truck had engine trouble on the drive home. Grinding noise when I gave it gas, and big drop power. It went right back in, and they replaced the MAF sensor. A short time after that, I saw my CEL. I didn't go back to them. If any of you more experienced members have an idea about what sort of "mistake" they could have made that would lead to this CEL, I'm all ears. I don't know that it's the case. I'm just putting that out there in case it drives one of you to a bingo moment.
Taking the above into account (it's a long post, but I'm trying to give you as much info as I can), I'd like to hear any ideas you all might have about this CEL.
Thanks!