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Mike Tonon
11-11-2010, 12:48 AM
I have a Snowbear snow plow for my Ranger. I'm satisfied with it, it does the job, but I have to get out to turn it side to side. Has anyone here ever rigged up a winch so it would turn side to side at the push of a button? Any other ideas on moding it so I can turn it side to side from inside the cab?

MountainMike
11-11-2010, 03:18 AM
One possible way is to have a heavy spring on one side of the plow that naturally sits compressed when the plow is fully in one direction and have the winch on the other side. As the winch reels in, it pulls on the spring and rotates the plow in its direction. As you spool out the plow then gets pulled back by the spring. The only worry I would have is that the spring would have a constant work cycle and I don't know how it or the cable could handle the stress. And for storage you shouldn't have it straight, you would have to let out cable until the spring fully compresses. Something to mull over.

lil_Blue_Ford
11-11-2010, 07:20 AM
I would suggest a linear actuator (kinda like a hydraulic cylinder that works off of electricity) but they tend to be cost-prohibitive. I know that because I got tired of manually angling the lawn tractor plow and thought about rigging up one to angle it until I discovered just how expensive those things are.

04sd
11-11-2010, 08:32 AM
IMHO, if you want power angle it's time to upgrade to a better plow.

Mike Tonon
11-11-2010, 12:01 PM
I like my plow, its relatively simple and works great for what I do. Its metal, but light enough for me to pick up myself and not heavy enough to need a more beefed up front end. I don't need lights for it either. It also only has a mount that sits under the bumper, no modification or removal of the bumper or valance needed. I also can't justify spending alot of money on this plow or buying another plow unless I will get the money back. I only have my driveway and two others at the moment. I also don't want to kill my truck either. I'm just trying to use my truck for what its worth.

Heres what I'm working with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_qFElaDNhE

GoodOld85BlueBalls
11-11-2010, 12:31 PM
I guess that is why they call it a 3-Position manual Angle. Snow bear is for light duty and you get what you pay for. My father has an 88" one on a Ram for his 200yard long driveway, and he also does the parking lot at his church. Part of the beauty of a snow bear is its simplicity; they even state that it won't have all the problems or weight of a commercial duty plow. My dad has joked about putting a rope in a circle out both windows to the corners of the plow so he can change the angle from inside the cab. Other than getting a commercial plow or adding a angle system from a commercial plow ($$$$$) your just going to have to be like my dad and get out and use the manual angle....
I too would rather be in the comfort of the warm cab. Perhaps you could get your wife or kid to do it for you....

n_grimm
11-11-2010, 12:43 PM
I was just swapping a power seat into my wife's Lumina and thinking how there must be something those motors could be used for. Don't know if they would be heavy enough but they use a screw drive so there is no way they would move unless the motor was turning. I know one guy that used a power convertible top mechanism. How about an electric scissor jack?

Mike Tonon
11-11-2010, 02:43 PM
$200 for an accuater from a local vehicle add-on parts shop that might not be strong enough to handle the abuse. I'd like to come up with some durable and simple. Something that maybe other Snowbear plow onwers would be interested in.

04sd
11-11-2010, 05:59 PM
If there was a cheap solution that would hold up you'd likely see it as an option you could buy from Snowbear.

Mike Tonon
11-11-2010, 11:28 PM
Theres got to be something relatively cheap. Something cheaper than a better plow.

gwaii
11-12-2010, 01:25 AM
i don't know what the supply of used outboard motors is like there,but i have a power tilt unit from a 2000 merc 60hp that is just a ram and a pump-no trim buttons.it'll easilly lift the front of a fullsize truck off the ground,and would handle your plow easilly.
i bought the whole motor with a blown piston for $50.if you can find something like this,it would work.the ram is bi-directional,too.

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/tlilley_album/001-4.jpg

metalmacguyver
11-12-2010, 08:09 AM
I love the way Gwaii thinks.......... so simple yet so perfect.

04sd
11-12-2010, 09:06 AM
i don't know what the supply of used outboard motors is like there,but i have a power tilt unit from a 2000 merc 60hp that is just a ram and a pump-no trim buttons.it'll easilly lift the front of a fullsize truck off the ground,and would handle your plow easilly.
i bought the whole motor with a blown piston for $50.if you can find something like this,it would work.the ram is bi-directional,too.

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/tlilley_album/001-4.jpg


I'd guess that thing won't work laying on it's side?
Even if it did I think you'd bend the cylinder rod in short order.

gwaii
11-12-2010, 10:35 AM
I'd guess that thing won't work laying on it's side?
Even if it did I think you'd bend the cylinder rod in short order.

it works just fine laying on it's side...or even upside down.it's a sealed system with no air in it,so orientation is not an issue.
as for strength of the ram,it'll raise the front of my f350 up off the ground,i don't see it bending on a plow.

by the way,the op is looking for ideas and answers...all you are giving is negativity.not cool.

04sd
11-12-2010, 12:01 PM
it works just fine laying on it's side...or even upside down.it's a sealed system with no air in it,so orientation is not an issue.
as for strength of the ram,it'll raise the front of my f350 up off the ground,i don't see it bending on a plow.

by the way,the op is looking for ideas and answers...all you are giving is negativity.not cool.

I'm just trying to keep him from going down a road that cost him money and fails to give results. Just wondering, have you ever plowed any snow? I've been plowing, working on plows, and even built a few plows. Garden tractors to big farm tractors, jeeps to one ton trucks. And I've bent and broken plows.
Having your plow break in the middle of plowing a big storm is no fun. I still think that lift unit you showed won't hold up :icon_thumby:

gwaii
11-12-2010, 01:09 PM
maybe....but it's bigger than the steer ram on my snowplow.

lil_Blue_Ford
11-12-2010, 02:09 PM
i don't know what the supply of used outboard motors is like there,but i have a power tilt unit from a 2000 merc 60hp that is just a ram and a pump-no trim buttons.it'll easilly lift the front of a fullsize truck off the ground,and would handle your plow easilly.
i bought the whole motor with a blown piston for $50.if you can find something like this,it would work.the ram is bi-directional,too.

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/tlilley_album/001-4.jpg
Linear actuator. What I was thinking, I just had no idea where one could be salvaged from, lol.

04sd
11-12-2010, 02:43 PM
maybe....but it's bigger than the steer ram on my snowplow.

That cylinder rod looks to be about 3/4" diameter. Just curious as to what kind of plow you have with power angle rams that small? My light weight Meyer plow for my Ranger has 1.5".

bobbywalter
11-12-2010, 02:59 PM
done my share of plowing.....


e bay for that actuator maybe....start gawking there and you may get what you want for less then you expect.

i have tapped into my powersteering before with tsc type place shelf parts for 300 bux in the past on several different rigs. but that had mixed results and airlock issues. not using a single push pull cyl made it a pia..my current situation has hydroboost brakes along the the steering so the pump and line systems are taxed enough....

manual plow and winch seems good enough for doing just my yard:dunno:

do enough scrounging and this is not a big problem to solve cost effectively...i am just too lazy and time constrained right now...

gwaii
11-12-2010, 04:11 PM
That cylinder rod looks to be about 3/4" diameter. Just curious as to what kind of plow you have with power angle rams that small? My light weight Meyer plow for my Ranger has 1.5".

ok,took another look at the plow(arctic,bolts to my f350)and i owe you an apology-or at least a clarification.the cylinder on the outboard ram is bigger than on the plow,but the rod is smaller.
the rams on the plow are single acting,with 1 1/2'' rods.the outboard ram is double acting with a 3/4'' rod.
the cylinders on the plow are 1 1/2'' bore,the outboard unit is 2'' bore.

it would be a matter of speculation on my part or yours as to whether it would hold up-at least untill someone tries it.:icon_thumby:

Mike Tonon
11-12-2010, 07:07 PM
I appreciate the info, thanks. Something like pictured here would be great. I'm looking for something that I could just wire to the battery and to another snowbear plow switch in my dash and it should work great. The hard part would be moding my plow to make this work and I don't know if this would be strong enough. If I get sand and salt on it, will it jam? Will it leak? Is it hydraulic? I guess I would just want to keep it clean and waxed?

gwaii
11-12-2010, 07:49 PM
it's hydraulic.it's also part of an outboard motor,so it's designed to be immersed in salt water for it's entire operational life.sand would not be an issue any more than any other hydraulic cylinder.maybe less-most are not sealed as well as marine equipment.
it's powerfull enough to lift the front of an f350 4x4 off the ground without straining-so at least 4000lbs,and it's bi-directional.
the size of the ram shaft could be an issue,that is hard to say.my guess is it would probably be fine,but the only way to know for sure would be to try it.if my plow was not already equiped with steer rams,i'd try it.but then,i already have the parts here,so i've got nothing to lose.you'd need to track it down and buy it,so there's more risk there.
it was simply another suggestion for possibilities.

gwaii
11-12-2010, 08:01 PM
Linear actuator. What I was thinking, I just had no idea where one could be salvaged from, lol.

and this is not a linear actuator.those are mechanical drive systems-generally a motor turning a screw.this one has a motor driven hydraulic pump that feeds pressure to a hydraulic cylinder.
what's the difference?
power.
most linear actuators have power ratings in the range of hundreds of pounds.
hydraulic systems such as this have power ratings in the range of thousands of pounds.
this particular system has two wires to operate it,they have their polarity reversed to change directions,as with a power window motor.or a linear actuator.

n_grimm
11-12-2010, 09:58 PM
In addition to the "somewhat light duty" hydraulic cylinder mentioned by gwaii, it would it be possible to add a latching mechanism to replace the pin that currently holds the blade in the angled position. For instance a solenoid that is actuated at the same time as the cylinder. That way the ram wouldn't have to take the abuse.

Mike Tonon
11-12-2010, 10:05 PM
It can't interfere with the other parts of the plow. I know the plow wouldn't be able to move side to side when its all the way up and less and less as it goes higher and higher. I guess I would just have to remember that before trying to turn it side to side.

lil_Blue_Ford
11-14-2010, 12:19 PM
and this is not a linear actuator.those are mechanical drive systems-generally a motor turning a screw.this one has a motor driven hydraulic pump that feeds pressure to a hydraulic cylinder.
what's the difference?
power.
most linear actuators have power ratings in the range of hundreds of pounds.
hydraulic systems such as this have power ratings in the range of thousands of pounds.
this particular system has two wires to operate it,they have their polarity reversed to change directions,as with a power window motor.or a linear actuator.
I stand corrected.

Sammy76
12-26-2013, 05:10 AM
Great idea.

a31ford
01-06-2014, 11:16 AM
Another source of linear actuators is the old "Big Ugly Dish" you know the thing that moved the dish side to side to re-position for other satellites. most are 12VDC in the first place, AND where long throw to boot !

I have one on the pick-up on our old small square bailer for our horses.

Greg