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Captain Ledd
01-22-2008, 05:21 PM
Dashboard is apart and documentation is taken. FAQ on that will be up later

SOME IMPORTANT INFO:

**1997 Ranger - stock colors**

The LED's you need to order are as follows. All colors are for a stock configuration for a 1997 ('94-current dashboards), and will probably look janky unless you also change the faceplates. The color filter (I'm pretty sure) is part of the gauge faces.

$0.79 + $0.60(green extra) = $1.39 apiece

http://www.superbrightleds.com/products/car/WLED-x_all.jpg

The 194 replacement series: 6 Green ones, 120° viewing angle

FOR THE REST:

http://www.superbrightleds.com/products/car/74-row.jpg
#74 LED bulbs - These are what things like the seatbelt icon and turn signals use. Order ONLY the "74-x LED Bulb". NOT "74-xHP SMD LED Bulb" OR "74-xHP3 SMD LED Bulb" as they will probably blind you.

$1.19 apiece - all colors

For the stock Ranger cluster you need to order these:

GREEN = 3
2 turn signals, speed control

AMBER = 7
4WD, 4WD Low, O/D off, Airbag, ABS, Check engine, Fuel reset

RED = 5
Brake, Seatbelt, Door ajar, check gage, Battery

BLUE = 1
HI-beam symbol

If you have an antitheft system factory installed the "THEFT" light should already be an LED, it should be fine, and I hope it is, because I can't fine a replacement for it besides a Ford Dealership. Not like its ultra important anyway. - this has to be red, the filter on the gage faces is actually clear.

ALTERNATIVES:
You can always order the above style bulbs in a white color. It should produce a similar coloring to that of the standard bulbs.

However repacing them with LED's of matching color will both brighten and increase the quality of light. The "lens" or filter or however you want to put it will only let light out of that particular spectrum. In the Rangers case, predominantly green, so only the green part of the bulb's light produced actually gets out. With a colored LED, the vast vast majority of the light produced is in a specific spectrum (a green LED produces almost ALL green light, it isn't filtered), they only color the plastic because it makes them easier to identify what color the LED is, so basically ALL of the light produced by the LED is able to make it through the green filter (because remember the filter only lets green spectrum light out) giving a much brighter and more vibrant color.

And I think that about covers it. Hopefully this help you all out, because I thought they were all 194 series. Faq will be up shortly, it's actually not that bad, I thought it was going to be much worse.

I have an '84 back home which I have to take apart yet again because it now doesn't light up at all... I can get pictured and documentation of that one too. It's kind of bastardized, but all the spots are still there. I do not have access to a Gen 2 dashboard.



Original Post:

I posted the type, amount and colors of all the bulbs nessecary on Pg 3. Not all the bulbs are 194 series replacement! Only 6 of them are.

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I threw these out there on a topic in the lighting forum. I personally have not tried these yet, but I will be replacing every single light with these guys once it gets warmer out. LED's last a crap load longer than incandescents and use less energy taboot (every little bit helps right?)


Some excerpts from the page and other parts of the site about these:

http://www.superbrightleds.com/products/car/WLED-x_all.jpg (http://www.superbrightleds.com/mini-wedge.html)
^Clicky on the picture^

**These are plenty for a Gen 3 Ranger dashboard. Anything brighter will likely blind you.**

direct swap for T3-1/4 (#194/168) filament bulbs
^I'm told Ranger dash lights are #194


Inverted cone clear lens causes the light to emit from the sides as well as the end.
^So there won't be blinding beams of light through your cluster


Built in current limiting resistor and diode to protect the LED from reversed polarity installation
The resistor keeps the LED's from getting too much amperage. LED's only work with current flowing one way, if they don't light up, flip them around and they should work fine (thats all the reversed polarity instillation part means).


These LED's will also still work with your vehicles stock dimmer switch.

The Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.superbrightleds.com/carbulb-notes.htm) page has some more info on them.

Other applications Include: dome lights, instrument cluster, interior lighting, license plate, side markers, warning indicator, cab top markers, ashtray, courtesy lights, gaming lamps, etc...

And they have much more on that page for automotive applications and even more on the rest of the site.

Main site page: www.superbrightleds.com (http://www.superbrightleds.com/led_prods.htm)

UPDATES:

Update. I got the LED's installed today, kind of a pain because apparently if everything is all good when you turn the key and the vehicle performs it's bulb check, they don't light up. I.E., if the door is closed, the "door-ajar" light doesn't light up. Which technically it isn't supposed to, but during the bulb check they're all supposed to light up, regardless it everything checks out. So some of the bulbs I have to find a way to force-light them to see if their in right.

Another thing, replacing the #194 bulbs (the ones that light the main areas up) if you put a white LED in them it glows BLUE, it's not a bad blue, but I was expecting green. And they're not blue LED's, checked that. There is actually a blueish filter that I can see on the back of the dashboard. So I'm betting the yellowish/amber glow from the incandescents filtered through the blue to make green. I've sent a e-mail out to my lighting buddies who did stage lighting for the plays at college, I'll update this later.

Otherwise everything looks pretty good. nice, vibrant and crisp color.



Alright, since I didn't realize that there is a BLUE filter on the back of the Rangers gages and NOT a green one, you do in fact need to shine a yellowish light from behind it to get it to show up classic green that everyone knows and loves.

Since there is a flat shipping charge for orders under $100 at superbrightleds.com, I'm waiting to figure out what our other flashlights take and order those bulbs as well (not to mention setting aside some dough.)

These are the #194 bulbs that illuminate the main part of the cluster.

in a somewhat reversed image (it's the best I can do) this is what is happening:

http://stagelightingprimer.com/images/subtractive_mixing.JPG

Only a yellow light and a (well I guess it's more a Cyan color, but still a blue) filter, and it'll come out green.

it's actually not that big of a deal. these bulbs were pretty cheap and they have plenty of uses elsewhere as lots of vehicles use #194 bulb style bases.

corona104
03-18-2008, 05:31 PM
i have some similar lights in my instrument cluster, it makes it look much better when all the interior lighting is the same color. i made mine blue to match my radio

kunar
03-19-2008, 09:14 PM
you can use one of my pics if you want to :D

in the 1st gen trucks, dash lights are 194's (or 168's, the same thing) and my dimmer does not work like it used to. you really cant tell any difference between full bright and full dim. theres some difference but very little, hardly noticeable

Captain Ledd
03-19-2008, 11:19 PM
it looks like I may get to mine in the next few weeks. My project Ranger is actually nearing completion (for this stage) which means that I can cruise it back and forth to school and tear into my '97's dash and not have to worry about getting it back together in one day. my heater has decided it only has one setting as well, surface of the sun. So it makes the invasiveness of tearing the dash out more worthwhile.

Interesting about the dimmer switch, but at least I know they won't be blinding or super bright in only one spot judging by your pics.

Wicked_Sludge
03-19-2008, 11:36 PM
did this to the escort...havnt gotten around to opening up the trucks dash to do the same. the dimmer functions per norm in the escort :dunno:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r9/Wicked_Sludge/DSC04040.jpg

dim spot near the 60MPH mark is by design...it did it with incandescents too.

also used white LED's in my dome light after upgrading to a triple beam. the map lights are 194 LED replacements and the center dome light is a 1-watt LED festoon bulb replacement. this setup is quite bright and quite bluish/whitish in color...i like it.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r9/Wicked_Sludge/DSC04055.jpg

ckblum
03-21-2008, 02:48 AM
Changing the colour of the dome light might make it harder to read things at night because it strains your eyes. I heard the best light for reading is like a yellowish light from normal bulbs because the eyes don't strain as much like creating contrast and stuff. That's why you don't have blue lenses in any goggle or lens systems. But hey it probably looks cool and its not like you're reading novels in your car.

veefer800canuck
03-21-2008, 03:12 AM
The inverted cone LED's are great. I've got them on my bike and couldn't be happier. Bought them from superbrightled.com as well.

The benefit of the inverted cone type is that it prevents "spotlighting" of the gauge face.

Yeah, yeah, it's not a Ranger.......

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a280/veefer800canuck/Picture005.jpg

Wicked_Sludge
03-21-2008, 03:13 AM
your right, i dont make a habit of reading alot in the truck. the center 1-watt LED is much brighter than any of the standard incandescent bulbs...so eye strain is less no matter what the color....and i personally find reading in a bright white light much more comfortable than yellowish incandescent glow.

i can see red or blue LEDS causing problems...but i think the white ones are nifty :icon_thumby:

just my .02 on the subject though.

kunar
03-21-2008, 10:29 PM
well since youre all sharing pics...

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z69/bkunar5356/locked/DSC01017-1.jpg

nismotunedgtr
06-19-2008, 01:44 AM
I don't have any pics but I put the same LED's form the same place in my Mustang and Ranger.

The blue is VERY sexy indeed.

BSU541
06-19-2008, 01:55 AM
How the hell do you guys do that? I don't even know how to get into the dashboard. Do I have to get those ones? Couldn't I just get some blue LED lights at Autozone or something? I really want to change to blue LED lights, because it makes the dashboard look way newer and better. I'm tired of the yellow lights that older trucks have.

nismotunedgtr
06-19-2008, 02:25 AM
How the hell do you guys do that? I don't even know how to get into the dashboard. Do I have to get those ones? Couldn't I just get some blue LED lights at Autozone or something? I really want to change to blue LED lights, because it makes the dashboard look way newer and better. I'm tired of the yellow lights that older trucks have.

Just buy the LED's from that website. They already have the correct resistor and a diode. PLUS they plug right in....

I got 20 or so for $14.

Make sure you have them in the correct way (polarized) before putting it all back together.

BSU541
06-19-2008, 02:36 AM
Just buy the LED's from that website. They already have the correct resistor and a diode. PLUS they plug right in....

I got 20 or so for $14.

Make sure you have them in the correct way (polarized) before putting it all back together.

Ok thanks.... now how do I get into the dashboard? That's one of the few things I've never know how to do on Ranger/Mazdas...

BSU541
06-19-2008, 02:42 AM
I'm so confused on which ones to order. My friend has a '94 B4000 with the older dashboard, and he wants the blue LED lights as well... Anyone want to tell me exactly which ones and the quantity that I need please???????????

Thanks!

BSU541
06-19-2008, 02:46 AM
I think the ones I'm supposed to order are at the very bottom of this page....

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR

Can anyone tell me if those are the right ones? What's the difference between the single bulb, and the one with 4? Which one should I get?

nismotunedgtr
06-19-2008, 03:18 AM
I think the ones I'm supposed to order are at the very bottom of this page....

http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR

Can anyone tell me if those are the right ones? What's the difference between the single bulb, and the one with 4? Which one should I get?

Nope you want the first ones on this page: http://www.superbrightleds.com/mini-wedge.html

The inverted ones. Same ones for both vehicles.

BSU541
06-19-2008, 07:57 AM
Nope you want the first ones on this page: http://www.superbrightleds.com/mini-wedge.html

The inverted ones. Same ones for both vehicles.

Thanks. But when you click buy now, it takes you to a new page with a bunch of different things, and I don't know which ones they are.... anyone want to help. Give the price or tell me where they are on the order page so I can find them. I just want to make sure I get the right ones....

Ok so I think I found the right ones.... You click buy now, then you go to the 2nd page, and they are the 2nd one down on the 2nd page right? It says they are .79 cents for 12, so I could just get like 2 or 3 orders to be safe and pay like $2.50. Some please help, I really want a blue LED dashboard... Thanks!

BSU541
06-19-2008, 08:14 AM
Alright, So now I know I got the right ones, but do I want the 90 degree or 120 degree viewing angle? Whats the difference?

Oh, and how many will I need? 1 blue or white one cost $1.39 a piece, so how many do Rangers need? I haven't decided if I want blue or white yet...

I was thinking like 10 would do the job??

BSU541
06-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Someone please answer Those questions!^^^^^^^

I'm dying to order those, I want to ASAP... help a brotha out! haha

nismotunedgtr
06-19-2008, 03:31 PM
Alright, So now I know I got the right ones, but do I want the 90 degree or 120 degree viewing angle? Whats the difference?

Oh, and how many will I need? 1 blue or white one cost $1.39 a piece, so how many do Rangers need? I haven't decided if I want blue or white yet...

I was thinking like 10 would do the job??

If you only put them in the holes that lightup the gauge and the highbeam it should take less than 10.

All the other things (brake, blinkers, ABS....) will not lightup blue so just leave them alone OR put in white ones.

:)

BSU541
06-19-2008, 03:39 PM
If you only put them in the holes that lightup the gauge and the highbeam it should take less than 10.

All the other things (brake, blinkers, ABS....) will not lightup blue so just leave them alone OR put in white ones.

:)

Yep, I'm only doing the guages. I'm going to trust you since you said you got them for your truck. I just put in an order for 10 just to be safe, even if it takes less. It costs 18 bucks!! THIS IS AWESOME!!!! HAHA

How many did it take when you did your guages on your '92?

Thanks a lot buddy! I've decided to get white by the way. My stereo lights up blue and white at night, and I think white would look the best.

nismotunedgtr
06-19-2008, 11:02 PM
It iwll not lightup white. It will still be green!

I can't remember about my '92 but my '89 fox Msutang too 6-7 I think.

:)

BSU541
06-19-2008, 11:08 PM
It iwll not lightup white. It will still be green!

I can't remember about my '92 but my '89 fox Msutang too 6-7 I think.

:)

What Green still?!?!?

Maybe I'll do blue and give the white ones I ordered to my friend...

nismotunedgtr
06-20-2008, 12:37 PM
Yeah, the film in the factory gauge is colored green. With a white bulb it lights up nasty boring green. With a white LED it will probably be a pale green....

KELLY88
06-20-2008, 12:43 PM
Ok thanks.... now how do I get into the dashboard? That's one of the few things I've never know how to do on Ranger/Mazdas...

I'd love to do this set up as well but I have the same problem. Anybody have pictures or instructions on how to get into the gauge cluster?

BSU541
06-20-2008, 12:46 PM
My brother says it's really easy to get into it, so I'll let him do it as soon as my order comes in and I'll take pictures along the way and post them up here to help you out bro...

I'm still not sure what the difference between 90 and 120 degree veiwing angle... which one is brighter? I want the brighter one...

KELLY88
06-20-2008, 12:51 PM
I'm pretty sure the 90 and 120 are referring to the dispersion angles from the end. The 90 disperses mostly over 45 degrees on either side and the 120 disperses over 60 degrees on the either side. The higher the degree of dispersion, the less focused the light is. 0 degrees would be like a laser pointer. That's my intepretation.

BSU541
06-20-2008, 12:52 PM
I'm pretty sure the 90 and 120 are referring to the dispersion angles from the end. The 90 disperses mostly over 45 degrees on either side and the 120 disperses over 60 degrees on the either side. The higher the degree of dispersion, the less focused the light is. 0 degrees would be like a laser pointer. That's my intepretation.

Oh that makes sense. so the 90 would probably be a little brighter?

Todd~Rod
06-21-2008, 12:32 PM
Cool Cool i shall be ordering a few of these guys

Wicked_Sludge
06-24-2008, 06:20 PM
get the 120 degree angle if possible. the 90 will give you very bright spots over the lights, and very dim spots in all the corners.

there is a way to remove the green film from behind the guages so the colored LED's can shine through....you need to remove the cluster and dissasemble it.

getting to the guages isnt hard:

remove ash tray (open tray and remove 2 t-15 torx from either side)

pull instrument cluster/stereo trim peice off (you can leave the stereo in if you dont want to loose your settings, but its easier if you remove it first)

remove 4 large black bolts that hold cluster on (also t-15's if memory serves)

reach behind cluster and unplug 2 large electrical connectors and release speedo cable

remove cluster, flip over to access lights.

Captain Ledd
06-25-2008, 03:49 AM
I'd love to do this set up as well but I have the same problem. Anybody have pictures or instructions on how to get into the gauge cluster?

Thats a good reason to finally get my scanner working tomorrow... it's an actual Ford published 1997 Ranger shop manual. I'll see what it says.

I may wonder over to my friends house tomorrow and piss around with taking the dash apart for something to do, I'm almost certain he'll be bored as well. a Writeup would be nice and I have every intent to do when I buy the LED's, but just a removal is good too, I guess it doesn't matter if there's LED's or not lol. Then I can find out exactly what I to order :cool:. We'll see how it goes.

Oh, and the larger the angle the better. A narrower angle (closer to 0) wil produce a beam like a spot light, with all of it's light focused on one small spot. A wider beam angle will be more like a flood light, illuminating an entire area with a fairly even distribution. for a instrument cluster, a wider array is better, otherwise like Sludge said, you'll have super bright spots in some places and super dim spots in others.

Edit: Eeek! my premium membership is gone! looks like I'll have to take care of that tomorrow too...

2nd edit: No dashboard today, tomorrow maybe.
3rd edit: Tomorrow confirmed.

Captain Ledd
06-26-2008, 02:25 PM
Dashboard is apart and documentation is taken. FAQ on that will be up later

SOME IMPORTANT INFO:

The filter on my '97 is actually BLUE (kind of a dark Indigo as best I can describe it). while it's not a bad blue, it won't be green. The green comes from the yellowish tinge of the incandescent bulbs. So you might be better off getting an AMBER bulb to retain the green. But this won't be an exact shade. Ideally you'd use a "Warm White" or 4500K color temperature.

There is also ways to scrape off the back filter in some cases allowing the true color of the LED's to shine through.

**1997 Ranger - stock colors**

The LED's you need to order are as follows. All colors are for a stock configuration for a 1997 ('94-current dashboards), and will probably look janky unless you also change the faceplates. The color filter (I'm pretty sure) is part of the gauge faces.

$0.79

http://www.superbrightleds.com/products/car/WLED-x_all.jpg

The 194 replacement series: 120° viewing angle

FOR THE REST:

http://www.superbrightleds.com/products/car/74-row.jpg
#74 LED bulbs - These are what things like the seatbelt icon and turn signals use. Order ONLY the "74-x LED Bulb". NOT "74-xHP SMD LED Bulb" OR "74-xHP3 SMD LED Bulb" as they will probably blind you.

$1.19 apiece - all colors

For the stock Ranger cluster you need to order these:

GREEN = 3
2 turn signals, speed control

AMBER = 7
4WD, 4WD Low, O/D off, Airbag, ABS, Check engine, Fuel reset

RED = 5
Brake, Seatbelt, Door ajar, check gage, Battery
*Brake, Battery, and Seatbelt will stay dimly lit.

BLUE = 1
HI-beam symbol

If you have an antitheft system factory installed the "THEFT" light should already be an LED, it should be fine, and I hope it is, because I can't fine a replacement for it besides a Ford Dealership. Not like its ultra important anyway. - this has to be red, the filter on the gage faces is actually clear.

ALTERNATIVES:
You can always order the above style bulbs in a white color. It should produce a similar coloring to that of the standard bulbs.

However repacing them with LED's of matching color will both brighten and increase the quality of light. The "lens" or filter or however you want to put it will only let light out of that particular spectrum. In the Rangers case, predominantly green, so only the green part of the bulb's light produced actually gets out. With a colored LED, the vast vast majority of the light produced is in a specific spectrum (a green LED produces almost ALL green light, it isn't filtered), they only color the plastic because it makes them easier to identify what color the LED is, so basically ALL of the light produced by the LED is able to make it through the green filter (because remember the filter only lets green spectrum light out) giving a much brighter and more vibrant color.

And I think that about covers it. Hopefully this help you all out, because I thought they were all 194 series. Faq will be up shortly, it's actually not that bad, I thought it was going to be much worse.

I have an '84 back home which I have to take apart yet again because it now doesn't light up at all... I can get pictured and documentation of that one too. It's kind of bastardized, but all the spots are still there. I do not have access to a Gen 2 dashboard.

Dusty_Ranger
06-26-2008, 02:31 PM
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z69/bkunar5356/locked/DSC01017-1.jpg

hahah mine are like that

Dusty_Ranger
06-26-2008, 02:33 PM
i did mine last night no pics but i just used kunars pic

Captain Ledd
06-26-2008, 02:34 PM
That looks like a Gen1, which is probably easier to get different colors into. In fact I think I remember seeing a thread (maybe it was on the old forum) where someone did a write up on how to change it.

I DO however know that they use all 194 bulbs.

*edit: I also added in a much more visible spot that this is based on a 1997 Rangers dash in the above posts.

Captain Ledd
08-11-2008, 07:10 PM
Update. I got the LED's installed today, kind of a pain because apparently if everything is all good when you turn the key and the vehicle performs it's bulb check, they don't light up. I.E., if the door is closed, the "door-ajar" light doesn't light up. Which technically it isn't supposed to, but during the bulb check they're all supposed to light up, regardless it everything checks out. So some of the bulbs I have to find a way to force-light them to see if their in right.

Another thing, replacing the #194 bulbs (the ones that light the main areas up) if you put a white LED in them it glows BLUE, it's not a bad blue, but I was expecting green. And they're not blue LED's, checked that. There is actually a blueish filter that I can see on the back of the dashboard. So I'm betting the yellowish/amber glow from the incandescents filtered through the blue to make green. I've sent a e-mail out to my lighting buddies who did stage lighting for the plays at college, I'll update this later.

Otherwise everything looks pretty good. nice, vibrant and crisp color.

Captain Ledd
08-13-2008, 06:09 PM
Alright, since I didn't realize that there is a BLUE filter on the back of the Rangers gages and NOT a green one, you do in fact need to shine a yellowish light from behind it to get it to show up classic green that everyone knows and loves.

Since there is a flat shipping charge for orders under $100 at superbrightleds.com, I'm waiting to figure out what our other flashlights take and order those bulbs as well (not to mention setting aside some dough.)

These are the #194 bulbs that illuminate the main part of the cluster.

in a somewhat reversed image (it's the best I can do) this is what is happening:

http://stagelightingprimer.com/images/subtractive_mixing.JPG

Only a yellow light and a (well I guess it's more a Cyan color, but still a blue) filter, and it'll come out green.

it's actually not that big of a deal. these bulbs were pretty cheap and they have plenty of uses elsewhere as lots of vehicles use #194 bulb style bases.