hydrogen

[ptrodgers]

well since i have a 2.9 i am posting this in this section. Has anyone hooked a hydrogen hybrid kit in their trucks and if so do they work well. What kind of mpg's is anybody getting?

[Roadkill]

Now you've opened up a can of worms. There are loads of folks on this site that jump all over this idea and have never experimented themselves.

Lots of info out there on it though. Give it a shot and let us all know how you do. Make sure to document everything really well too.

[BlackBII]

Oh man, where is MAKG when you need him...

[Psychopete]

well since i have a 2.9 i am posting this in this section. Has anyone hooked a hydrogen hybrid kit in their trucks and if so do they work well. What kind of mpg's is anybody getting?

This is a good read, first post:

http://therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20352

Pete

[superdave1984]

Queue James Denton.
Look, me and a buddy built one of these things. He even went to a class to learn EXACTLY how it was done. Quite simply, it did not live up to billing. Save your money and do something else with your time. Or, better yet, send ME the money you were going to spend on the stuff to build the thing and I'll fart in a ziploc bag and mail it to you. Same end result.

[chasracer]

I am new here, in fact this is the first post so I am not going to be alarmed at the flames I get on this but here goes.

First off, most people that have tried one of the HHO units simply did not experiment enough to come up with good results or their expectations were sky-high and what little improvement that they received in mpg (if they even measured it correctly) was not enough for them to build upon.

Second, I don't sell the units and I don't make money off of it other than what I save in gasoline not purchased.

Third, I am not going to try and argue with the scientific sticky, I am sure those measured results are correct.

I am getting to work on my '85 with the 2.3 EFI/5 speed trans. I bought this truck almost 3 years ago for my son, who decided it wasn't his style so I took it back. For the last 2 years it has sat in the backyard collecting cobwebs and pine needles. Last weekend, I got it moving again and it now is sitting in my garage up on stands. First order of work is a complete clutch replacement, then to figure out the cold start/idle issue. Some brake work is needed along with replacement of fluids. Already replaced the radiator last weekend along with coolant due to previous overheating issue. So I am looking forward to picking the brains around here and getting my little truck ready for it's new life as a toad behind my RV.

Now back to the HHO stuff, which I am also going to put on the truck once I have the engine running as sound as possible. Just over two years ago my new 32 foot RV was getting an average of 7.2 -7.4 miles measured with a scan gauge tool. Using a 2-quart HHO unit, some minor changes to the ego sensors and some experimenting with mix ratios, I was able to get my mileage up to 11.4 at it's best. Normal mileage runs about 10.6 - 10.8 and I really happy with that for the cost and work involved. Now I am not going to tell you how to do this as there is way too much information available that you can research and figure out yourself. The few people that I have spoken to about it never try it but are usually quick to call it a hoax. The deal is you're not trying to replace all of the gasoline that you use, you just use the hydrogen as an additional fuel added to the current air/fuel mix, therefore cutting down some on the gasoline that you need to burn. Are the units fool-proof? Nope not at all, you have to use some common sense with them, it can be dangerous stuff, you have to keep them relatively clean and in long term freeze conditions, it's easier to just disconnect them. And is it plug and play - hardly, but it does work and the results are going to be different depending on a lot of factors. If you want to work on it and I do mean work on it, you can get some decent results, but if you expect to just throw a unit on your vehicle, add a mix of water and soda and expect 50%+ fuel economy increases, you're kidding yourself. It's not going to happen.

[r1hatman]

I talked to a guy who put one on his yota and he said it worked, he said he got better mpg and about 10 more hp? I thought I would try it when I get my 289 installed. I heard not to use it on newer vehicles cause it messes with the computer stuff,(sensors) etc..

[BDAB]

I saw a similar devise work on a big rig.......... a .9 mpg increase ...... went from 6.2 to 7.1. It was a blind test in a tractor that was back in my shop every day and the driver did not know we installed it..... I am taking the actual mileage reported by the truck's ECM. I have on installed on my current tractor and have not noticed an increase but the current already 7.1 mpg before the install.

[Ranger Kip]

the result is an increase in mpg, but the difference is that its a lot more expensive to run it. and maintaince is a bitch, trust me, my bus driver is a diesle tech for Penn State, and he was telling me about this on the last day of school, and he suggested that the only thing I should ever turn into a hydro is a waterjet, because its too expensive to refuel.

[chazzone]

Come on guys, lets' not get this started again.
Brown's gas generators do not and can not work.
They are all a scam, and no one that understood simple physics would even consider them.
So, if you post that you know someone who knows someone who thought that they got better mileage or hp, then know that you've been lied to.
Repeat, they do not, and can not work.
In fact, there is even a sticky on this subject, and I know that there are some "shade trees" out there that think they can get by physics, but if you're not smart enough to pass the class, then you're not smart enough to beat God.
So, let's be done with this.

[COPPERHEAD85]

This is a good read, first post:

http://therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20352

Pete

I do miss MAKG...........Never a dull moment when he was around.

[BlackBII]

I do miss MAKG...........Never a dull moment when he was around.

Oh..the good 'ol days. :icon_twisted:

[COPPERHEAD85]

When it came to Science..........he would argue with a fence post as my Dad says!

[chasracer]

Come on guys, lets' not get this started again.
Brown's gas generators do not and can not work.
They are all a scam, and no one that understood simple physics would even consider them.
So, if you post that you know someone who knows someone who thought that they got better mileage or hp, then know that you've been lied to.
Repeat, they do not, and can not work.
In fact, there is even a sticky on this subject, and I know that there are some "shade trees" out there that think they can get by physics, but if you're not smart enough to pass the class, then you're not smart enough to beat God.
So, let's be done with this.

Yet again, no problem - I don't really care if you think it works, claim it doesn't or whatever. I have results, it was easy, the cost is minimal, maintenance isn't any tougher than an oil change and if anyone thinks you can drive a 20,000 pound RV "nice" and pick up 3-4 mpg, their kidding themselves. When you fill up at $3.00 a gallon and the tank is 75 gallons deep, believe me you notice real quick when it takes less $$$.

[Mike Tonon]

Yet again, no problem - I don't really care if you think it works, claim it doesn't or whatever. I have results, it was easy, the cost is minimal, maintenance isn't any tougher than an oil change and if anyone thinks you can drive a 20,000 pound RV "nice" and pick up 3-4 mpg, their kidding themselves. When you fill up at $3.00 a gallon and the tank is 75 gallons deep, believe me you notice real quick when it takes less $$$.

SHUT UP! The oil companies need money! Just take other peoples word for it. If other people say something, its always true! hahaha

I started fooling around with HHO when I had my 87 ranger, but I sold it shortly after and didn't want to play around with the engine on my new vehicle. I can't personally say whether it works or not to give you better mpg's, but it might be more trouble than its worth. I will say that I took the tailgate off of my 87 ranger a few times and the mpg's seemed to be between 1/2 and 1 mpg higher when I did that as opposed to leaving it on and up.

Never take someones word for anything! Learn for yourself, its the only way to know.

[user111]

I built me a one and tried it, I used stainless steel threaded rods and the acid, to make hydrogen gas, it makes hydrogen and oxygen pure, Some put in check valves but hydrogen burns so fast it would get past the check valve before it could close.
There is the problem of corrosion to engine with the acid used. As it will carry over
into engine even if use a bubbler, And the there is the problem of water carry over to
This was going strong for awhile on a yahoo group I was on until the corrosion problem became known,
Maybe something like a scrubber on a power plant would remove the acid before it reached the engine. Or use more metal and a weaker acid solution.

Even small water can damage valves, I damaged mine years ago trying this water injection thing that was hot for awhile, just running water vapor in a vacuum line to the engine. At that time they used the example of airplanes using it.

Hydrogen is very dangerous and burns much faster than gas
Unless they have something I remove the acid from the gas going to the engine
I would never use it,

[shane96ranger]

I built a hydrogen cell a few years ago. Spent a lot of time on it actually. I turned it on for just a few seconds, and then decided I.wanted to see if it was actually doing much. Soooo, I put a lighter to the output. Never saw the cell again.... and my ears hurt for a couple of hours. I didn't realize how explosive it is.

Now I know. That was an experience I will never forget. I should have known, because years ago I had a car battery blow up right next to me. Scary situations.

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[marauderx]

The theory, as I understand it, is to use the little bit of hydrogen to burn hotter in small amounts to burn fuel more completely. My ranger hated it, but I did not go all out on it either. But I learned to make a bad flipping source for a hydrogen torch.
If you have one, and want to light the output, take the hose, put a weight on the end and sink it in a 5 gal bucket filled with water, and then place a funnel, point up, above it to gather gas, Turn on the generator, use a striker, and watch that funnel try to jump out of the water. pretty neat!

[UrbanRedneckKid]

I built a hydrogen cell a few years ago. Spent a lot of time on it actually. I turned it on for just a few seconds, and then decided I.wanted to see if it was actually doing much. Soooo, I put a lighter to the output. Never saw the cell again.... and my ears hurt for a couple of hours. I didn't realize how explosive it is.

Now I know. That was an experience I will never forget. I should have known, because years ago I had a car battery blow up right next to me. Scary situations.

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FYI, the proper way of testing a hydrogen cell is to fill a glass with water and dish soap. Submerge the hose, collect the bubbles with a long spoon, and light with one of those long grill lighters. It's still extremely loud, but really no worse then a large caliber handgun or a M80.

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[notaprob]

I built 5 different models roughly two years ago. I still have all of them. Before I hooked it up to my ranger, I was getting 13 mpg on a 2.3 4x4. It jumped to 17-18mpg within the first week of installing it. The truck din`t tick anymore and it idled much better. After I took it off I it gained another 1-2 more mpg. After doing a lot of research, I found out that it draws the amps down so much that it make your engine work harder and the amount of energy that the hydrogen produces is not enough to come at least even with the hydrogen cell hooked up. Its a great idea, but it would work if the hydrogen was made by something other than the vehicle that is burning it.

[Jasper_S]

The so-called water fuel, also known as Hydrogen Hybrid Kit has been a hot topic. This is efficient on saving gas. It also works on trucks and SUV. Using this method, you can save money and at the same time it helps you increase your gas mileage.

[kngfdrgn]

Hydrogen Generators are not going to help you gain any decent mpg. In fact on most modern stock vehicles using an HHO will hurt mpg because of all the extra Oxygen being dumped into the exhaust system. The O2 sensor will measure that extra Oxygen and tell the ECU that it needs to dump more fuel. I'm not saying it's impossible for you to get some MPG gains, just that it is a hit or miss thing. In order to get a decent cost/gain ratio you would have to build a complete system around the HHO. That means the engine, the sensors, and even the ECU would have to be custom built and tuned for use with that HHO. I don't know about anyone else but I definitely don't have the time, funds, or technology of a NASCAR race team. Before anyone starts to flame me what I just said is cold hard scientific fact. I do in fact know my stuff when it comes to chemistry and technology. I'm currently pursuing a PhD of CSI with a major in space sciences and computational astrophysics and a minor in computational materials and physical chemistry. For those of you that don't know that means I am going to school to be an engineer for NASA. So I guess it's time to get to my point. If no one in my field can make a cost effective way to get a hydrogen fuel source to work why on earth would you believe some guy who is selling stuff he made out back in grandma's shed did?

[veefer800canuck]

i might also add that hydrogen, by itself, is not a viable fuel source as a replacement to gasoline.

sure, it burns clean and all that jazz, but where does it come from?

it is synthesized from natural gas at extremely high temperatures, 700-1100'C

OR, liberated from water through electrolysis.

both are extremely energy intensive, and of course, every step along the way, converting energy from one form to another, incurs huge losses.

you are either using fossil fuel, in which case you are better off to just bottle and burn the natural gas in your vehicle anyhow, OR huge amounts of electricity to create the hydrogen. Neither is a good solution

oh yeah, I almost forgot: Hindenburg anyone?

(ok that was half a joke, gasoline is really flammable too, I know)