110 MPG from an 87 Mustang

[superdave1984]

http://www.local6.com/automotive/16768626/detail.html

I would love to see this.
Pelmear, who lives in Napoleon, Ohio, has tweaked his Mustang to get 110 mpg, making the engine nearly five times as efficient as a traditional gas engine, he told the Toledo Blade newspaper.

Traditional gas engines operate at 8 to 10 percent, efficiency, while the engine on the Mustang, he said, is at 38 percent efficiency.

"I'm an optimist, and I think people need to know there is hope out there," Pelmear told the Toledo Blade. "That's why I decided to enter the X Prize race. I could have sold this [technology] off, but then people might not have seen it.

Pelmear told television station WNWO that the car hasn't traded power for miles per gallon. Pelmear said the car has 400 horsepower, goes well over 100 mph and can go from zero to 60 mph in three seconds.

[koda6966]

Holy Shit

[Simple_serf]

:icon_rofl:

...and my ranger can fly too...

[rboyer]

The car gets 110mpg and pushes 400hp? Something don't seem right.

[surffishin07]

if and i repeat if many many many times...this is true it wont be worth it because of all the electronics. it will be great for now but give it a couple years on the electronics and it will cost more than it will save. you will need a electronics engineer just to fix your car.

[Bent Bolt]

The car gets 110mpg and pushes 400hp? Something don't seem right.

Ya think ??

[bobbywalter]

:bsflag:

[philzilla]

A hundred mile down hill at idol maybe
does anyone know how efficient 6 strokes are?
after the 4th stroke water is injected and the steam acts as another stroke, pretty cool

[reno]

why would people knock this? He has entered his car into a legitimate contest, and if he wins, the electronics would certainly be reduced to a small box. Look at your PCM and how much it controls.

[koda6966]

why would people knock this? He has entered his car into a legitimate contest, and if he wins, the electronics would certainly be reduced to a small box. Look at your PCM and how much it controls.

Agreed. The bs flag is actually bs in this situation. Because if your entering a vehicle into a legitimate contest then your claims as to its mpg also would have to be legitimate.

[rboyer]

This kind of reminds me of all of the perpetual motion machines out there that crop up from time to time. Like the most recent one that's supposed to use an alternator and electric motor, you give the electric motor a "boost" and makes the alternator generate electricity which in turn powers the electric motor and is supposed to generate excess electricity but like everything else out there it's just a pipe dream. People thrive on stuff like this because it gives hope to a better world, but sometimes you just cannot be an optimist.

[krugford]

Let's see:

400 hp
500 ft*lbf
0-60mph in 3 seconds
Top speed of 180 mph
He won't let anybody even take a glance under the hood due to "upcoming patents".


He's running E-85 in this car. He must be taking his mileage to account for actual gasoline usage only... Sure he's only using 1 gallon of gas to go 100 miles, but he's sucking down an additional 6 gallons of ethanol in the process. That comes out to around 14 mpg, which sounds about right for a 5.0 Fox body running E85....

[thegoat4]

Agreed. The bs flag is actually bs in this situation. Because if your entering a vehicle into a legitimate contest then your claims as to its mpg also would have to be legitimate.

I don't know. The article doesn't give much info. The guy certainly isn't getting 110mpg putting out the full 400hp the whole way. It doesn't even specify "at highway speeds" or anything. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if when the dust settles, yeah, it can get 110mpg, but only by driving under conditions which are not obtainable on the streets. Under "normal" conditions i'll get about the same an everyone else, maybe a little better.

BTW, there are quacks who enter legitimate contests from time to time. Real nutjobs aren't deterred by a little attention.

[rickcdewitt]

whats that racing class where the cars must have under a half inch of lift and most of the cars get over 20mpg on the street? pure street or something like that?

[MAKG]

What I find funniest is is claim that his engine is running 38% efficient, as though that's "exceptional." That's about where it ran from the factory; it's a bit over half the perfect thermal limit.

That 8-10% figure came from a certain rectal cavity.

There is NO way to get 110 MPG from a conventional chassis with a pump-gas powered internal combustion engine without external energy input (i.e., cheating). The only way that's going to happen with an ICE is to go to ultralight chassis. Like those 40cc Honda scooters (even those get more like 75 MPG).

[philS]

Are you forgetting microcars? We have one in the family that gets 100-110 mpg depending on conditions. It is a regular box frame, fiberglass body, three wheels, ICE.

[MAKG]

A car light enough that one of two people could pick it up would have a prayer, but it wouldn't be easy. Though I'd be VERY concerned about a three-wheel design for unrelated (safety) reasons. Three-wheelers are substantially easier to tip over than four-wheelers.

Heck, the Gossamer Albatross made it around the world (very slowly) using a fraction of a horsepower. Sure, it's possible if you're allowed to bend the conditions beyond where the market will let you. No one is going to fly ultralights commercially for a number of reasons (not the least of which is that it's much faster to drive).

I don't think microcars are likely ever to be commercial successes, for similar reasons. But that IS the direction one has to go if one is to get big improvements in mileage.

[bobbywalter]

i had already seen a different writeup about that car, thats why i put up the bs flag.

i am sure its tuned down to 30 hp at s.s. cruise. but e85 and high mpg isnt a easy thing to do with a 2800-3300 pound car.

[rboyer]

It's kind of like a 500lb man going through the day on just a snickers bar. Ain't gonna happen.

[Boggin-B-Series]

my bros 87 5.0 stang gets like 15mpg, and that can do 130 in 2nd gear no trouble, im pretty sure he cant tweak it to get 110...

[Iron Ranger]

This makes just as much sense as asking a blind man for directions.

[AllanD]

You'd like to see that...

People in HELL would like ice water.

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[Boggin-B-Series]

This makes just as much sense as asking a blind man for directions.

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